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SWM Schweitzer-Mauduit International

Participants
Mark Chekanow Director of Investor Relations
Jeffrey Kramer Chief Executive Officer
Andrew Wamser Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Daniel Jacome Sidoti
Kurt Yinger D.A. Davidson
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Operator

Welcome to the SWMs Fourth Quarter and Year-End 2018 Earnings Conference Call. Hosting the call today from SWM is Dr. Jeff Kramer, Chief Executive Officer. He is joined by Andrew Wamser, Chief Financial Officer and Mark Chekanow, Director of Investor Relations. Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay later this afternoon. participants floor placed your will the all mode a questions time, presentation. the and be this have in been listen-only following At open for over pleasure It turn now Instructions] my [Operator the is floor to Mr. to Chekanow. you begin. Sir, may

Mark Chekanow

Mark year-end Thank Director Relations XXXX you joining earnings of thank SWM’s discuss Chekanow, us you, results. And morning, to SWM. fourth Investor Good for Victor. I'm at quarter and

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Jeffrey Kramer

range good have the Within you, year had $XXX million. $X.XX The as of business cover flow And and year nearly EP, projects. guided EPS we growth free healthy are last full provided drove fourth finished several and XXXX benefiting And substantial both the with full solid key adjusted we cash the delivered presented growth cost lower year. everyone. completed we headwinds, the a details in shortly, efficiencies. fundamentals AMS, performance actions adjusted improved strong, good mix a XXXX businesses Yesterday, morning, quarter to and variety simply exiting anticipated. tax but rate year while than put we of with of within sales We earnings EPS and $X.XX continued as February. Thank results our strategic the Mark. optimization drive accelerated we organic sales within XXXX and reported fourth well We’ll quarter from of exceeding

segment quarter segments, continued, Now throughout experienced sales X% the shifting the quarter. to nearly margin AMS momentum our have for growth fourth protection by achieved adjusted in we during water products in films, the while delivered robust growth, organic operating trend by led year. driven rapid AMS margin paint growth Transportation demand reversing our fourth XX% expanded RO business. the operating pressure filtration

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water by world. better water was replenishment for cycle across healthy the quality for the term a long the throughout Importantly, continued, positive our the drinking of filtration we and theme supported XXXX, return products see demand need

distribution channels. been continued is also increasing, where have in into particularly awareness successful we consumer We as Asia, expanded see transportation films, for in strong growth tapping

on We the strategic made during good also several progress year. initiatives

to our a in Furthermore, our lastly, accommodate existing rapidly was for filtration our undertaking business. for in new first unique expanded and of provide the leverages Greenfield key end optimizing an addition we exciting a opportunity paper, the art filtration operations, qualifications film our and expanded EP China, site growth design facility line closure, facility the we that Asia. an in into completed the our product end films This state relationships also backbone commercial our to capacity paper deep major AMS as market. international across lines of completed initial In in new transportation growth and our capabilities enhanced And for a was which Europe which Austin we our capabilities will leveraging expanding customer site additional for engineering within serve to markets. specialty

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Our was sales our during several quarter mix driving strong performance. factors the with

pressured well wood food pulp, remained packaging. products a those for battery up, was operating to our our and due book, printing adjusted and certain and the strong greaseproof escalators as margin products more margin tipping papers, portion non-tobacco cigarette deemphasize as as tobacco paper margins another and tip wood as such more papers, volume to portfolio, papers input separated were than continue was lower attractive quarter pulp such for up EP not Second, including writing volume papers with price products effective. was as during energy, below we costs non performer fourth most such XX% costs other service of LIP which as of high yet First, higher papers segment replacing

delivered with price lower positive more performance segment volume. the year, mix sales For the than being growth, takeaway offsetting X% key full we

in categories to on a focus deemphasizing volumes. lower mix share gaining margin attractive continue We and

XXXX limited time headwind wood raw materials is At through As there for release prices in lower margins, on price referenced, materially were the escalators. in coming expected year. this heading a though, visibility significant pulp with

other pressure the to industry of we some help offset continued we cost efficiency on while operations, we believe, we and strategic XXXX gained cigarette and LIP in have improvements within priorities, some our tobacco have as math way inflationary focus a share our papers, pressures. our made Regarding

versus our volumes Lastly, with XXXX firms. several partner as we heat-not-burn to continue increase

However, we moderated, new adoption by while products remain said, as Recently, generation rollout products. customers will have customers consumer our next introduce rates our lumpy. have of the

We Andy. and continue to to provide positioned valuable in support innovative consider again. sales well accelerates call turn product ourselves the will this growth now category, over when I

Andrew Wamser

filtration the expanded compared last offset Austin basis resin earlier Thank XX in fourth project year, financial were the Adjusted up increased that than from XXXX. marks AMS no as X% X% pressures you, $XXX net Jeff. operating easing of benefit, the and and results. profit posted to resin prices now Sales more solid acquisition margin notable million review growth for In moderating I'll gains. transportation points. to XX% quarter, as businesses grew during than our we sales with higher closure costs. quarter a though the Market year-over-year saw more our pressure

sales X% For the the or of grew AMS benefit Conwed excluding the year, acquisition. when X%

the also Our compared costs, adjusted the base in the than Austin year, operating AMS full basis and were to Segment continued provide key points the XX% full sales business were flat XXXX. for anticipated reflecting Infrastructure, revenue as again, year transportation generally Filtration results. industrial high which contracted our for diversified to expenses medical up construction profit higher and were with year. margin growth. solid strong drivers, more declined delivering polypropylene closure organic XXX X% and –

profit expect strong outlook our to We expand experience Jeff operating in will XXXX, and AMS shortly. in growth on more

an mix quarter benefit EP, providing X% X% grew sales decline price than more fourth with For X% offset a in volume. which

up as adjusted down shift due other performance, more was of Wood volume contracting the positive non-tobacco contraction. operating on pulp increases mix the detailed, basis the basis for to aspects including during our of with average factors, costs more XX% combination was lag fourth in Unfortunately, on contractual Jeff XXX mix than quarter, of fourth of the accounted overshadowed positive and XX% XXX good points. a a LIP price margin EP profit As profitable and quarter points papers. margin were

a similar a were wood the benefit that primary were results more Unallocated XXXX. well. trends of X% pulp volatility. than positive as indices margin XXX year-over-year full of of year For compared was contraction decrease. points this the basis stock EP driving offsetting skewed market full impact X% increased particular provided prices quarter, the up item Adjusted X% XX% from One X% source year a decline to topline down sales XX% and price as price Currency results fourth the pressure. with in X% know, full full profit year, operating year mix volume. wood essentially declined was pulp X% in our with We expenses

All XXXX. million quarter given sector tobacco the in for partnership expect for in we our compensation From we benefit and Chinese operating was reverse wood was million reduced. SWM’s year, not full significant and share was delivered profit for The quarter. of and the in XXXX. item $X.XX with Adjusted told, the margin year an EBITDA raw $X.XX EBITDA X% impairment the $XXX and which XXXX, per our companies declines, alone, based business business one resin In headwinds ventures. accounted a result, which price, was $X and in with market pleased a other the fourth industry was recon fourth profit this our earnings, per As a This to X% expense many the our GAAP XXXX. modest in a quarter pressured further consolidated pulp benefit stock non-cash in singular absent approximately of materials, share the $XX for quarter up was Shifting volatility, would quarter in with This fourth our related contraction. fourth quarter, share were X% XXXX. as points were for consolidated down the loss of governing performance. compared up approximately X% year margins of EPS China, flat of $X.XX sales to deferred fourth Chinese with the XXX to joint XX/XX to body well. full up XXXX the on in a and fourth million essentially recorded $XX full of quarter million flat view, in the was with basis approximately quarter, were fourth the Adjusted also

market. for XXXX This multiple However, lagged made overcapacity players demand. multi-year investment production unique original capabilities the its of XXXX built stage increasing was closed to impacted regional been between excess by the Chinese business and China’s RTL and characteristics have have internal has due of case as results

recon global contribute shared We now impairment. EP market venture the have term within venture earnings, our the while Please expect on our joint business the long we outlook market to accounting call. recon to is And warrants Chinese periodically Chinese our to note, dynamics the more in unrelated the segment. modestly the concerns about earnings temperate this

Regarding late laws per the quarter incurred GAAP a non-cash U.S. XXXX loss, of enacted the charge changes recall XXXX. related in in to we fourth primarily Tax $X.XX share, the

$X.XX full year XXXX. the from XXXX, GAAP EPS was up $X.XX For in

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our more non-GAAP want as non-GAAP adjusted encourage a reflect, our when for accounting EPS the onetime reconciliations review purchase helpful typical earnings our a be the review our results view they adjustments, GAAP may to While clear adjustments. see our to items, these provide you items we meaning of detailed comparisons. regarding as We and to more – year-over-year well adjusting of

quarter year XXXX, full up fourth XXXX. was fourth EPS $X.XX $X.XX the the X% of adjusted And from of was XXXX. $X.XX up adjusted For EPS quarter versus of in

lower the quarters normalized of We from approximately rate are approximately of of hundred we year tax tax originally by the tracking expected. projected XX% unusual we in items; through at XXXX decline number at which rate the point Recall the XX% after performance, first year. XXXX. a XXXX had first, as the finished originally items, XX% basis several than full strong pleased rate a a our When result closing three for adjusting finished

prior benefit In discussions, alter previous two Outside strong year EPS that of the versus did performance addition, the finish, the not other tax higher, delivered despite impairment strong joint period. rate Chinese test. performance. ventures fourth and joint drove our Though, our venture factors quarter profits

each referenced $X.XX full fourth I the by lower earlier. compensation expense, and First, deferred quarter year approximately benefit from which the

XXXX was fourth each. year, $XX year $XX expense the These some down capital Second, and factors approximately perspective, From terms the full approximately an projects, to due million directly results middle the leverage and XXXX. $XXX $X.XX. benefited non-business lower timing not we of business treatment expect of adjustment was adjusted have $X.XX in mainly in EPS would trend full been fourth to calculating our XXXX purchase items, to quarter told, quarter at XXXX for and to quarter, originally free function for We adjusted to spending. two a times when in of from capital excluding cash full net these year of million facility. $X.XX range adjusted tax that the lower generation. our the $X.XX in guided fourth add year CapEx million a of by about XXXX up $X.XX into would with accounting the our million at and were flow $XX adjusted related. fourth year down would due All of spending our pushed part been combined have flow at X.X free were times EPS the $X.XX leverage a benefit debt EPS to that backs end credit our would quarter X.X EBITDA as our the for end of cash

back Jeff. to Now,

Jeffrey Kramer

an on EBITDA adjusted all XXXX. bond tax sales, slightly normalize adjusted our higher slightly outlook, the Moving profit to expense from XX% rate anticipate than we and operating from XXXX than to projected to and $X.XX. to higher range our $X.XX financing, to guiding adjusted of rate are We due EPS a interest higher EPS increase

million expect flow cash We expected exceed to $XX between again with $XXX $XX CapEx to million be and free million. also

approximately would interest modeling total For X% our average suggest purposes, using we an on as rate debt.

and business expense pressure AMS; dollars remains actions, as of in momentum the and specifically, several AMS, as see costs. range development within moderating EP will speaking, pulp savings a sales and elevated improved We support increased ongoing in resin reinvest we expectations, do growth product innovation primarily classified wood benefits and the freight our continue, our Our spending inflationary Austin to margins marketing, some of costs, well, plan those know signs IT reflects some modest million be Generally in commercial from pricing closure. of as More potentially into expect additional continued we growth polypropylene, result and early initiatives. deploying in bucket. which unallocated profit of strong in we relief pressures in while of

to will be new attrition sales gains filtration paper shifts support up industry our businesses, other in filtration potential positive further strategically transportation mix, also expect means, We to variety we growing and in and attractive Within including capacity global through combat adding ramp pushing our to share and sales a of EP, with product our of LIP categories. products.

wide top In I excellence business we value, to and things our focus operational course, performance. and long reiterate company closing, continue Of just were will some around term results inflationary in on key support our world, good new million. bottom flow to line $XX want innovation, regarding in drive the and EBITDA organic capacity pressures projects investments AMS, free and encouraging, overall stable growth with cash EP, innovation exceeding fundamental. despite XXXX solid performance from and

strides the from growth. the enough diversified in made the as business, AMS EP inherent behind believe, From to backdrop Our balance in a despite industry raw evidenced with pressures admirably industry a of in pulp have profit, our set by adjusted AMS demand, only underlying and a perspective, million having up less we modest portfolio continues we longer EP scale awesome healthy solid out segment. and XXXX $XX a with cost term volatile we potentially perform transforming a decrease operating project terms challenging has in have would prices. of to with us, against materials, headwind great environment

M&A, As concludes Victor, your open lines company, remarks and continued the liquidity portfolio further through potential and appreciate please rebalance have our to grow organic our push interest to the questions. We for That growth both and we and growth towards ample ambitions businesses. initiatives support. we pursue further our

Operator

from [Operator the Daniel Instructions] from question Our first Sidoti. comes Jacome of line

begin. You may

Daniel Jacome

EP first. with start Hi, the segment good morning. I'll

noticed was there's - much an on A from gains LIP, possible combination I you little -- if exciting one elaborate or share how think producer an industry just to factors. was can a a bit How much of change I mix that? you some player in another? think

I value their in think, our about, you leading always know Dan, talk as we're really supplier chains. that supply we and our customers we of the LIP believe think of I participation because

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Daniel Jacome

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Jeffrey Kramer

many always you appreciate yes, in Dan, I the love question. it. I drivers; new in I’d could. have and new replenishment that indicate that, this told could bring get osmosis. are one, seeing on little bit would is all But, we places how earlier when if there’s to you cycle. a positive is market linear trends my plans to nice if could And I and very play brand reverse is We that capacity too a they lumpier one a

to many period over coming to just of is been but lot come has energy that prices, had delayed time capacity that talk benefit this we've new been that that customers low a after with needs to it but they being been to cycle years. certainly able something extend When a seeing back of our Some on, we been replenishment roost.

should so, several to come. that and relatively continue think for we year smoothly years the coming hopefully And trend over

Daniel Jacome

then And question last kind terrific. Okay, into questions one. of buried two

the have Europe, expansion color And film or both how speaking? then new Asia said the the either fantastic? any generally on film you I of much your possible on would if may channels, going be that is cost So capacity, of distribution consumer side, to of think on those

Jeffrey Kramer

Sure. Yes.

take One, announce we two already a how to for it usually on. but that line, and individuals able we��re don’t to cost capable capacity this reasons. a was us of install capacity So site reasonable had us for much advantage

to able line we’re right So a slot into that.

was already it we’ve reasonable so, investment it. And us a and very for qualification gotten for

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as protect its aware a megatrend middle becomes for continues of trend infrastructure before, I of for class well. rising investing And this film we we’re we’ve think kinds a automobiles take looking to that in ways more place films. the as really work market it And so, in transportation hoping are and mentioned

positive we’re in so, And very that.

Daniel Jacome

queue. I’ll get terrific. That’s in the back

Jeffrey Kramer

Dan. you, Okay. Thank

Operator

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You may begin.

Kurt Yinger

Andy morning, and Thanks Mark. and Jeff, good

Jeffrey Kramer

morning. Good

Kurt Yinger

high your to I with annual the and start for be about plans an long-term business. expectation was you don't medium internal guide verse wondering might to know your anything own or could basis, puts guys maybe off margin for level expectations you what I but guys segments that on the specific and takes at AMS if a XXXX? talking And

Andrew Wamser

Sure.

expect the for when you some to So, AMS at look have XXXX, would business margin you expansion.

are today in One benefits but we anywhere for the look in a pencil magnitude seeing hold of at least at of basis predict folds. some that, XXXX the of of couple forward When could is, are today, of the we you its you order think that in where resin factors prices don’t it’s I curves. spot if contributing points. really prices

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between that we So XXXX factors about anywhere margin expansion would of points – basis between within two those AMS. expect

Kurt Yinger

trade uncertainty Andy. it. think Got part on like in you seems And again release in pretty big growth potential of past the risk of big a slowing been I films Yet growth and transportation a China some that. it the in was driver has Thanks touched and Asia. the

or you forward? may be maybe already risk products on about you at could what going talk think seeing pressures So, which you be might

Jeffrey Kramer

a Yes. more is general of Kurt, that’s this commentary. –

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it. We’re not seeing

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have Asia. in we so, And global capacity

us we lot that'll from in We have have activities the so and well. the Europe, insulate it a it in as and of U.S.

we tend the about to specific other macro than nothing trends there's global be pointing to we So, overall. cautious were

Kurt Yinger

good price sort hear. some way That’s any tied over might with to the be on XXXX? of And your pulp. tailwind switching what there to okay. to escalators quantify kind for of that cigarette papers of revenue EP, side Is Okay, you could

Jeffrey Kramer

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Jeffrey Kramer

benefited price you Okay. benefited bit, I looking touched pure the U.S. And from share Europe that mix going some that and from those gains any forward? X% figure, -- there in share then, can that increases the either be sustained are is a at I something but or this probably that know, gains flowed understand but benefit, were LIP Dan, that on price

Andrew Wamser

Sure.

say some papers we non-tobacco So, what were I'd increase able of price the on to immediately.

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have in raw offset. reasons material that. were really key of headwinds the Jeff what’s did why are and talked we What to that inputs those help million So about what XX overcome we

Jeffrey Kramer

really, as effects we have segment paper non-tobacco we do Yes. products there. and some good Kurt, in well good have our again mix

battery business margin we’ve combination it’s of with price, a a products in lower good separated about. talked bit of multiple in little performance of which able little bit LIP, effect is to So what products. a as our margin higher share And gain a bit replace then little factors, mix been we

of actually was solid within So number EP it just a across sub-segments a business. quarter good

Andrew Wamser

Okay. really expand any term qualified? for paper helpful? Make be then you could size sense. set applications provide information bit And a these would near on And market specific filtration maybe on the you opportunity or you’ve could also a

Jeffrey Kramer

Yes.

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at more but phase. I'm future, hear this a particular you’ll something reticent about little that think I the So

Andrew Wamser

upper lastly that All in end be on front? should are we look towards things needle the monitoring XXXX us sort lower end guide And the kind when the that biggest moving view of of enough. maybe we can Fair items what drive your the and what right. at verse

Jeffrey Kramer

Yes.

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We pulp. talk the we about resin. So, talk about

We also have energy costs.

the as trucking transportation particularly U.S. cost. We also is have cost becoming in

So question I think is cost important. the going inflationary always be to

I good can those think on it, time. we at any things but outlook have a move

on we haven’t So in downside would the they I the be move the issues very direction predicted. if biggest think those rapidly

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show given to we every we’ll some think we’ve some able be how to where initiatives of key think around those and strategic quarter keep we’ll you you be progressing. around good we’re I reporting guidance

Andrew Wamser

and Thanks Great. All the guys. in good Jeff quarter upcoming luck right.

Jeffrey Kramer

you. Thank

Operator

our Thank line the you. next And question comes Jacome Sidoti. from from of Dan

You begin. may

Dan Jacome

Hi.

Just one question. housekeeping of a more

of So on not guidance million. XX this looks it the the step-up if year tune I'm a a CapEx, which you from give mistaken to us

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Andrew Wamser

Yes.

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million. is for between $XX million and $XX XXXX Our guidance

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we think – a is of good we and around kind did year last that’s what So ballpark.

spend. would will minus, or on XXXX for but year, CapEx depend we So this absolute it happen think plus I think

Jeffrey Kramer

until segment from capital with growth growth flows and that offset cash as spend that help well. margins we of also as increase indicated we’ll our we we’re of organic as that expecting higher AMS And have in operating strong some will some

Dan Jacome

Okay.

you. Thank sure, For very helpful.

Jeffrey Kramer

Sure.

Operator

call like turn to closing over seeing queue. no the the Thank to remarks. in Dr. I’m you. questions Kramer further And for I’d

Jeffrey Kramer

Well, us during call. this with everyone for staying thank you

strategic gave we It material But we’re of we pleased transformation And admirably. we positive business ended headwinds. I that as was have and the our costs the the a indication us bumpy I end raw I with year performed nice year a about of think as how little the to good forward the quarter. fourth throughout company will momentum year think a as bit some move that’s well. we’re of hopeful of think XXXX talk the as at indicated

all for again you your thank support. So

Operator

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