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Lesaka (LSAK)

Participants
Dhruv Chopra Head, IR
Herman Kotzé CEO & Director
Alexander Smith CFO, Treasurer, Secretary & Director
Allen Klee Maxim Group
Scott Buck B. Riley FBR, Inc.
Thomas Zeifang Lucrum Capital
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Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Net 1 Second Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that this call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Dhruv Chopra. Please go ahead, sir.

Dhruv Chopra

Chris. you, Thank Second our Earnings Call. Welcome Quarter to XXXX is me Smith. Kotzé; Herman the today on call our and CEO, With our CFO, Alex

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We will remarks. have a prepared question-and-answer our following session

turn over that, call to let with me Herman. So the

Herman Kotzé

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Alexander Smith

key compared trends everybody. of operating results our Herman, and to and you, quarter year I ago. the second good a will for XXXX within to segments discuss the Thank day

Turning to our results.

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African share the includes cards. by inclusion SASSA the recipients a for fundamental XXXX QX Cedar migration African per as $X.XX segment, The a contract Our and lesser decrease per predominantly South reported business from our due a of $X.XX earnings result termination primarily $X.XX XX% value to adjustment By forced revenue EPE of receivable, migration SASSA cards fair with a constant-currency South extent compared of financial loss EPE impacted loss. $X.XX processing impairment from C $XX by basis. incurred of grant share XXXX, to was on Fundamental to in SASSA Cell and loss note losses including of declined the as allowance the loans doubtful to million adjustments, QX a to mentioned transaction a down $X.XX noncash EPS above. a of Cellular the

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was operating XXXX for Our and XX%, negative margin respectively. QX XX.X% and XXXX

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this agreement ongoing. to directly engaged on and SASSA reach with try and We have the is pricing

rate. was International down of in to million no the this XXXX, time despite of transaction with around compared which recommendations which QX Treasury, processing pricing XX% lines QX contract crypto processing the of includes National KSNET in China visibility impairment $XX.X and revenue matter, We specifically generated the have meaningfully original resolving Xx IPG $X modestly a QX operating noncash goodwill processed, in lower an to due segment generated and million. of of contraction $X which transactions million exchange The revenue. primarily XXXX, a XXXX, lower were loss

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a steadily remainder the we over slower a than communicated. fiscal at pace see to expect result, improve year, performance albeit of As previously the

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run adversely million, $XX.X gross migration an prevents against compensate SASSA's effectively of QX been impacted bank SAPO ZAR accounts, for of created of In XXXX, we allowance as to nonrecoverability book debits million, approximately lending has direct by loan the debtors. us no be repayments EPE which from Our accounts. collecting XXX the can

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have to up was the XX% SASSA, up accounts accounts new them to opening EPE period only despite of thus date. accounts, new during ability to sign this of due Our limited a received about grant

reporting at value Cell its carry to fair fluctuations our in reporting primarily higher increased intangible asset have in to Our period C are value from expected. amortization. carrying corporate investment We due period expenses and acquired

noncash which our we recorded XXXX, adjustment impacted of value QX $XX During a fair results. adversely million,

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Operator

[Operator Instructions].

Group. is from question Klee first Allen from Maxim Our

Allen Klee

financial your what the, help mentioned a operating but that or if analysis So have African inclusion of earnings and next what could my positive South think about, And margin the the challenged would much you have could you are of excluded margin is, losses what -- businesses? we of about? been from kind business year, first you type that you us how business, if you question of simplify the maybe talking the starting losses in say,

Alexander Smith

think, loss those $XX segment roundabout inclusion out African businesses impact or operating are units quarter. rural in million came in I South the business the of and the of terms of Allen, that of on out the financial results of

see current go of the in would, through a can very region bases substantial exclude Smart from of be businesses. the our EPE which that the various cost million account and is related particularly a quarter -- various third of the in that the on mobile the think quarter, -- will based occur group And any $X you about obviously, cost-cutting current exercises. the rate customer EBITDA sort the Moneyline business, once-off in really as coming and infrastructure it. really base, run overall space. third a and our items, on to number the portion We loss of normal business the -- our we the So that's for And Life ATM should those loss

Allen Klee

bigger of kind another then And question. Okay. picture

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management question think my how the this? about does is, So

Herman Kotzé

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Operator

The Buck next B. Riley question from from FBR. Scott is

Scott Buck

to microlending continuing new you book? are within curious, I'm issue loans the

Herman Kotzé

we Scott, are. yes,

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Scott Buck

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Herman Kotzé

Yes.

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Operator

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Herman Kotzé

None.

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Operator

next The [Operator follow-up is Instructions]. a Allen. from question

Allen Klee

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Alexander Smith

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Allen Klee

that follow-up. a been then around quarterly And for Explain Okay. and a you've little million running more an EBITDA KSNET's revenue $X KSNET. declined

but to -- EBITDA. What makes run -- third I to So next what million -- get do confident going you understand, can actions you that's working, is to million what the that that $XX you what's have rate annualized increase a to know what fiscal get you $XX year think you to like a party I'd you're going that? to

Herman Kotzé

that In business. few areas importance, across work a all no of order the them. the are moment, the product of of really focuses at we're doing key There the

or that at the focus one, proper we obviously to is for first of card is KSNET's segment contributor The in twofold. us specific look is if processing that So VAN the biggest card financial which and sort far the by business, the key results.

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Operator

Thomas from Lucrum. is question Next Zeifang of

Thomas Zeifang

understand business your as recurring operating by unit you recurring help are me and revenue Could what the profits base? 'XX QX using

Herman Kotzé

unit. Business

Alexander Smith

revenues recurring we terms segments in that The individual report... Yes. the of

Thomas Zeifang

Yes.

you recurring those that's back So if Can go knowing you main away. had your and the what to EBITDA, relative -- could in that from the if the can what And on you that levy out worth? guys businesses me portfolio, sense a also, the share you revenues that quarter -- current so you do to that we generates going investment of what a percentages? recurring of what get second those you're give consider

Alexander Smith

by units. as it business opposed cover can segments I the

revenue five units. we're sort about here recurring run sort businesses, of total talking the business rate of Our and really of

the identified sense? troubled that sitting processing of African annual within about that and DNI, South sort the of is Then the of there businesses. $XXX Does and businesses, EBITDA million So make KSNET about revenue excluding $XX of space the some of million. we've sort recurring

Thomas Zeifang

That's recurring?

Herman Kotzé

Yes.

Alexander Smith

troubled to Yes. that in We fix for the the obviously have to order be rightsize areas evident and results. in

Herman Kotzé

Yes.

Thomas Zeifang

$XX part is -- is of annualized, And the that, million correct? KSNET of

Alexander Smith

portion very a substantial that, yes. of Yes,

Thomas Zeifang

million $XX the million? it's $XX of So

Alexander Smith

approximately. Yes,

Thomas Zeifang

rate will make for forward, going you what be? do the when so June you adjustments think these exit And

Alexander Smith

during QX, will the there obviously say cost-cutting to and we to difficult breakeven QX been June, be end like losses quarter, obviously of is in costs a process. and basis big recurring -- that will -- the -- fourth once-off there'll be a with be there's one, we have on associated of lot and the by QX exercise but a For given are monthly there both cost-reduction be expect to

Thomas Zeifang

How a on monthly right losing much we're basis there?

Herman Kotzé

I businesses. African mentioned earlier that... South those On

Thomas Zeifang

Correct.

Herman Kotzé

quarter... the For

Herman Kotzé

QX.

Alexander Smith

see now the some QX, perspective, significant -- about obviously of third million businesses. That to EBITDA includes African further $X But of no a in and South about QX, expect of we'd of includes really, events, the what we there's For $XX losses on for those assuming losses group obviously basis write-offs. the saw $XX.X quarter. see we from million million

Thomas Zeifang

each but For for month? the quarter, not

Alexander Smith

No.

basis. on quarter. a group-wide the For That's

Operator

a have from follow-up We question Allen.

Allen Klee

into of African get can For you And what if is rightsize South a going the type you if margin a that margin think business, you on next business this do visualize it, you do would how transaction so, fiscal that year, be? it?

Herman Kotzé

Yes.

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Operator

disconnect may this gentlemen, conclude now does you the Ladies call. lines. And and your conference