Waddell & Reed Financial (WDR)

Michael Daley Vice President, Chief Accounting Officer and Investor Relations
Philip Sanders Chief Executive Officer
Ben Clouse Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Shawn Mihal Senior Vice President, Wealth Management
Amy Scupham Senior Vice President, Distribution
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Conference CallParticipants

Glenn Schorr - Evercore ISI Daniel Fannon - Jefferies Michael Carrier - Bank of America Merrill Lynch William Katz - Citigroup Michael Cyprys - Morgan Stanley Robert Lee - KBW


Good morning, and welcome to the Waddell & Reed Financial Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mike Daley, Vice President, and Investor Relations. ahead. go Please

Michael Daley

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Philip Sanders

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The Instructions] is with from question first Schorr Evercore. Glenn [Operator go Please ahead.


you Thank much. very it. I appreciate

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is ahead. Company. Fannon question Please Jefferies next with Dan go and from The



Just wanted of talk little of could about bit mentioned growth. and outlook to sits backlog that's with the where about today. XX getting you I the is advisor year-to-date the the you talk And you just a if And advisors coming talk profile kind your know advisor recruiting that about advisory for easier, but on platform also you've typical new added.


you that one? Shawn, Sure, want do to take


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with question America. go is Bank Mike Please next The of from Carrier ahead.


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want Amy, do you that? to touch on


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with from is Katz Please question next go Citigroup. The ahead. Bill


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you potential are referencing of that opportunities Bill, thing? type and/or M&A Okay,


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Ben, Shawn. make did thanks, want Okay, point there? a to you


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code Great, know the violating it's I helpful, of in. to squeeze one here, but have kind more question

side. of there have Just Can the what month retail step going month-to-month, of sequentially, back better sort broadly, June you elevated a how then maybe little like little things engagement we more talk a appreciate of bit on might look July? gotten and despite have in very that retail was just flows your bit happened but a were


do that? to Amy, you take want


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that So, help flow which definitely as side well, the business of on overall progress will the profile.


Cyprys with is next from go The Stanley. Morgan ahead. Please question Michael


morning. for good the taking Hey, question. Thanks

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