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PFSWEB (PFSW)

Participants
Sean Mansouri Director, Liolios Group
Michael Willoughby CEO and Director
Thomas Madden CFO, Chief Financial & Accounting Officer and EVP
Michael Graham Canaccord Genuity
Jason Kreyer Craig-Hallum Capital Group
Mark Argento Lake Street Capital Markets
Kara Anderson B. Riley & Co.
Timothy Klasell Northland Capital Markets
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Operator

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for participating in today's conference call to discuss PFSweb's financial results for the third quarter ended September 30, 2017.

Joining us today are PFSweb's CEO, Mr. Mike Willoughby; the company's CFO, Mr. Tom Madden; and the company's outside Investor Relations Adviser, Sean Mansouri with Liolios group.

Following their remarks, we will open the call for your questions. to call like to now would turn over the Mr. I some introductory for comments. Mansouri

Sean Mansouri

Thank you, Matt.

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Michael Willoughby

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Thomas Madden

Mike, you, Thank afternoon, good and everyone.

right jump in results. Let's third XXXX of were the financial $XX.X million into of $XX.X in revenues Total million XXXX. quarter the to the period compared same

churn million, from revenue fee service to equivalent quarter relationships, $XX.X we as to client expanded and million by resources increased third expected higher-margin driven offset $XX.X reallocated both new Our by engagements. partially

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balance September of to a in total and December XX, of cash million Turning debt position at At equivalents $XX.X a cash compares approximately million to position sheet. resulting XXXX. which net net and $XX.X $XX.X was the XXXX, debt totaled million XX, approximately million $XX.X debt

PFS under balance was timing benefit has of cash have then stated the our received this we by in quarter, customers remitted September As certain the this of Beginning one with arrangement. to from our our the clients. contract clients reduced clients' our due calls, a cash to collections modification on are that later prior typically from included benefit

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Michael Willoughby

Tom. you, Thank

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Operator

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Michael Graham

on appreciate be if some I in previously. the I for that roughly going of there or just kind still challenging is push other, was with bit And the the you've QX than that's client a and lower time to the followup not? sure wanted of then trying guess after $XX rest it generating revenue or of and XX% not, is Starbucks to I I million the it other XX% the of of all is million revenue understand, transparency that. to have just outs about I detail. Starbucks, a SFE for $XX make I'm guidance implied, clarify just guidance, the Thanks and QX then

Thomas Madden

Yes.

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Michael Graham

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Michael Willoughby

Thanks, Michael, for question. thanks the

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Operator

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Jason Kreyer

the Mike, George. QX, and in about that's that as drive unrelated, QX. Jason do and that just that booking and some quarter to opportunities if you wondering start I'm talked that ability opportunity if of from had for results weren't some wondering anything in It's projects far to lengthening bookings as much slipped on clients with that the projects starting if into time QX has -- the recognize to completely how projects historically, into revenue QX, projects? did quarter you last for whereas

Michael Willoughby

Thanks, Jason.

that be our normally have the are deals, I'm signing early So up we a that and what had and the based prior in seen same launch signed for first I the following and At and for started site they continues in that that of described And is working and that today may and sales we X on in BXC could QX, think, projects to as like come are really entered picks in longer. today, of we we has last launch the that this the strong continues, BXC pipeline we in see about we where say early talked that I to that, dry of through mentioned and have we the the time, Obviously, the tend bookings And to an unprecedented large kind certainly with see on the tend entered through be and where number a seasonality little year. get part typical smooth leads -- XXXX. we'll that the cliff we opportunities do love see of a am was a QX part to of number -- slow, deals. we've volatile BXC felt see you year we into launches that the on, excited I opportunities next QX, in site year. of and last comment they I and part QX. BXB to where like of BXB more stop presented late fact seen kind bit extent next QX in pattern a the planned move they of part That continue we've in pipeline may -- the QX moving if quarter pattern new BXB comforted quarter-over-quarter is than we kind deals, early We planned that that you felt for little to as the or started And new was by those could deals BXC projects, of we the close that indicative in continue to larger BXC selling deals website to different less of launches year. pipeline pattern somewhat the just up. opportunities that sales year second

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Jason Kreyer

growth we last actually, some Tom, numbers what -- this numbers give revenue a of contribution kind Mike, sorry, year. I'm for and contribution thank far segments as you. you around PFS you feel any rate those as details revenue -- looking color, year what get Great around fee you're at? service can the so Can you gave just contributed LiveArea gave

Michael Willoughby

we're really I and more things Tom can't, it's mentioned. I Actually, those -- think,

not process through operating segment able and provide clarity I a X working are contribution of provide to also first don't all and at detail to think the will want sides. We year-over-year reporting to, that right revenue revenue XXXX that XXXX. on difficult to I around now from kind to both point, talk be go back and some we and next It's transparency these you about objectives. year, way give revenue it's through but do the same the to compared to that all that at diving XXXX part a the of guidance 'XX, We also necessarily like think then what give I 'XX details P&L point and wanted format. be of the information our on out from of we'll through we'll all that the of know looked with to split statistics, giving segments

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Jason Kreyer

for Understood. me. Last one

can would relationships earlier You've cycle talked how Like consulting through that work you're Is form that logos? that? past new should that the see customer's establishing see your indication in an through in whatnot. more and in project comes metrics. business you're get we some life we Where work we seeing of the that of in that the

Michael Willoughby

It's a great question.

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Operator

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Mark Argento

questions. Two

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Thomas Madden

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Mark Argento

That's Starbucks helpful. or been that And then historically. the contract? just remind end-to-end Was me, just on operational contract an an

Michael Willoughby

as works. to frequently No, fact, it Starbucks was how good the an end-to-end. account case a end-to-end study of referred And pretty in we

I the -- in that we around number It multiple and that and is brands mentioned U.S, the some well. dialogue Starbucks, and thing of supported they that was in just sold we So X Starbucks brands. Europe, the engagements Canada other it of supported the in wasn't as geographies, that

what to and but might doing So they're was expected it's grocery-store the read certainly all. And try and not relationships, to doing, that we commentary be why you on unexpected at loss. they on obviously stores Starbucks focusing the understand it something can disappointing from

Mark Argento

were the understand the Professional platform one in mentioned Understood. slow U.K. pivoting you maybe Sure. help I can or Services Is business, specific any think you'd things to that. that Or practice? particular bit to little Then that better us

Michael Willoughby

Sure.

acquisitions was that recall U.K. started the through may we you business that X did. So

fairly larger One Commerce Magento. Cloud And around SAP Hybris of acquisition practice an in practice. did of somewhat small them we Salesforce was was then a

on in pipeline going going going strength expected the SAP the as including expectations be drive, That's that platform. of year the the we we of most around to into the was revenue was were to Hybris we incremental experienced and revenue, Our Interestingly, just that lack where saw although we typically, this delayed. They frustrating closure leave a we year. and the And our year, platform. of delayed SAP particularly did. within didn't some opportunities, certainly saw Hybris pipeline, deals the those that just delayed

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Mark Argento

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Michael Willoughby

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Operator

Instructions]. B. Anderson with Riley [Operator we'll At this time to move Kara FBR.

Kara Anderson

expect kind a what rate churn going seeing you'd Can you you what of are normalized us update rate on basis year? kind this And on of forward?

Thomas Madden

Sure.

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Kara Anderson

all to Have And purposeful out you that. quick the follow-up sought this year? just that you completed a churn

Michael Willoughby

fulfillment evaluate safety look client improve real even months last getting go are really going gross the say to extent focus dynamics, continue for margin, we we margins would churn call part margins the -- may in we to some want to think are as to services purposely in into through and or improvement, changes an the on to doing transitioning out. where closing refine there that. say terms continue some that in do identified either to turning year have into thinking renewing We, out alluded client client we've areas but could and do everything that felt work conference into to X order improve And aren't the opportunity engagements better-pricing our client that necessarily X, and that the selling XXXX, our management in have portfolio, went in XXXX or on next as we I to and Service place getting potentially will our we present don't couple always I relationship the EBITDA we high-value to X got area that where Operation that done, particularly we like the side financial as higher a don't something a to of engagements on them a have portfolio. of ones would with that client. We price we a successful that where that in where that now to that that accomplished we're we're clients. we're contract maybe the opportunities in the personalization. obviously, on competent where offering technology-enablement There such be a right

Operator

we At Securities. will take from time Klasell this Northland a with Tim question

Timothy Klasell

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Michael Willoughby

that QX an from from time quarter you've Operations next to you we think because knowing it's deviation live Well, certainly X before deals, client seen got decent past size that to do window I we've the a some where in the holiday. X-month the what a is book getting a contract typically

contracted And so, that were are of our actually pipeline stage X I would've or X, still get some in hoped and expected X the X. see deals to now pipeline in that in in

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Timothy Klasell

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Thomas Madden

specifically, discuss -- client activities. guidance usually we margin Though or individual gross on give don't

As end-to-end in client about we the engagement. talked was

Services So Operations Professional and both area. our activity included our it

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a that So the that work can't insight give we client, but specific with. you general into parameters of, those again, are, kind I particular

Operator

this back I now to like concludes closing Willoughby for remarks. our over would the And call turn question-and-answer session. Mr. to

Michael Willoughby

you, our I'd our through that everyone the excited thank attended in developments call comments Thank the like and today. incredibly Hopefully to right, we're came that business. our with Matt. All it in Q&A

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Operator

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