PNM PNM Resources

Jimmie Blotter Director-Investor Relations
Pat Vincent-Collawn Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Chuck Eldred Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Greg Gordon Evercore
Alex Morgan Bank of America
Ali Agha SunTrust
Paul Fremont Mizuho Securities USA
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Good morning, and welcome to the PNM Resources Second Quarter 2019 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]

Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jimmie Blotter, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Jimmie Blotter

Nancy. you, Thank everyone, PNM you, us morning this And second for quarter the Resources call. XXXX for thank joining earnings conference that this for documents our the and at note website supporting on are conference other available Please call presentation

team. President several are Chuck Vincent-Collawn; our other Executive President members Chairman, our Officer, Financial management CEO, and Pat of Joining me Chief Resources' as and today Vice PNM and Eldred, well executive as

some of obligation Before pursuant the that to over and remind should Pat, morning to are PNM to Securities Litigation statements need information assumes I Reform XXXX. I the update be estimates all that that Resources Act based forward-looking turn call to of information. you Private forward-looking statements this this current provided upon of and no you considered caution the We the expectations

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Pat Vincent-Collawn

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Chuck Eldred

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my cheers. That you back Pat, and remarks concludes to

Pat Vincent-Collawn

Chuck. you, Thank

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open that, operator, it up for let’s questions. With


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Greg Gordon

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Pat Vincent-Collawn

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Greg Gordon

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Pat Vincent-Collawn

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that a Advocates the good that all securitization, And and law environmentalist commission a do. Western this. position we believe the for also of at on things you So has really of to checklist Resource look the if have it’s

are very move to moving determination is glad important in we’re because I think the we as through it we And this of So commission confident our see position. is that up, process. that the

Greg Gordon

different options mandated making And presented. then four sort the under that different under pre-existing about to standards, go they the the – PRC decision? they or precedent regard with How are law you of or

Pat Vincent-Collawn

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Greg Gordon

you. a Okay. day. Clear. Have Thank good


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Alex Morgan

Julien. is calling Alex Thanks in call. afternoon. much so my taking for Morgan This good Hi,

Pat Vincent-Collawn

Welcome, Alex.

Alex Morgan

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Chuck Eldred

in are the second business revenues think a out very we our – quarter since against as that the and about us in gave use that to align our budgets that time that’s expenses flexibility the mentioned, circumstance lay that plans plan think think really that should to our prioritize I confident be. I sufficient entire with place, flexible I the back happened put and to cover we’re enough just have But making the track can as confident significant, focus mentioned, guidance guidance. the without But where execute. it changes to the on We $X.XX don’t we the we’re in on changing mitigating the $X.XX was and and we change. plans we we

Alex Morgan

equity of And was I – using that that know AFUDC, Okay. no I a a bonds the off San replacement as could more need could offsetting hoping little you and Thank comes because talk power then more just much. you discussed online so you or you or financing the bit the for it less the of financing? plan about little the pay interim Juan back to bit additional

Chuck Eldred


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Alex Morgan

Those Okay. Have Thank great question. you are after so much. a my noon.

Chuck Eldred

you. Thank


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Ali Agha

Thank morning. you, good

Pat Vincent-Collawn

morning, Good Ali.

Ali Agha


giving seem – be some securitization more the to I be First question, again, securitization, that on trying come the a so indication stand the on reports little doesn’t in your they’re there’s that that they the that passed to clear some before was aspect given legislation. on commission to of take talk wanted sense a just where legislation financing timeline Chuck, into very starts securitization doesn’t play. the clear What’s somehow also

wrong or of I I hearing what commission? of side you time Supreme the during out that and that decision, of are two, but clear ultimately the give very guess, where to lost to process. you it point and the be commission, part is the the understand part you right your you sense decision a just get seeing one get got Can there’s from the there a legal Court go could scenario but

get to perspective little wanted you’re on more just a what So thinking?

Pat Vincent-Collawn

legal more the Sure. to And what obviously, this anything have newspaper don’t we know – Commissioner talked not asked due by as directly an is won’t case. on think the was and X, that what there. issued right? because I a in But pending commissioners matter for yesterday petition I very we’re I saw on August was and speculate than And our legal because this order confident you our and Fischmann of responses position

later, go we would So that that Supreme it. certainty the we’re getting moves Fischmann’s it good Court, that agree don’t not have other consider some as we about is to of if the rather our can the still get uncertainty And with will soon, we up if a Because Court and move. going we sooner important And we we move supporters to certainty. Supreme see that ETA. or so Commissioner definitely of the

Ali Agha

to that to would decision up give have by day that on so on X, very they moving expect a this you a clear August And to do this you does timeline expect up? them when

Pat Vincent-Collawn

date Because, have their we decision. they for wouldn’t October a And we didn’t it’s and on XX. but due significantly. on expect now the filings have it for would responses right example, decision XX But Hearing No, moved day. Examiner August be set the it that aforesaid up very schedule

months. So they’ve math moved see the my let’s responses two goes, up,

decision, decision it if rather a move we that. than along it cover we have understands [indiscernible], to and have soon that relatively Court on rather have later because obviously if to we Because to doesn’t that need everybody sooner – as would go expect we says it the the will would doesn’t we that. clarity Supreme So after

Ali Agha

second have us, Right. another to back the the rate implications next back in rate that, that of that case in New will filing are increase remind timing you increases and you’ll you file about replacement And question rate Mexico? And for sort given New for How thinking my Mexico? what’s the the power. then and

Chuck Eldred

abandonment. based continue certainly This But sure focus plans focus are pending on And resources have our filing currently we’ve We we current the and And file the to our where on have priority in execution monitor to want to is the we’ll that indicated dedication we final in is. for something – we’ll issuing progress with really rate make really the determine December. our and the plans this Chuck. new is and case that that That’s assessment then that before, plan. to that – on case.

the So go progress again, that’s see we based the consider through plan our on in but is abandonment current process we’ll filing. it what we

Ali Agha

instead roll one, the clear, to there as all cases And Okay. part into it filing? I see. abandonment you two then a be kind Chuck, could of be of of scenario that

Chuck Eldred

we the It’s normal what to then then certain that a of are appropriate do the just that should we’ll it’s needs Pat’s too to itself of rate required and are of amount clear ETA. process a of filing make reflection think it. support see how lend as our to securitization the we more might case might point itself begin just in say be. and and a the what we’ll deal determination to early to with way will And rate mean that we what I proceedings beyond

Ali Agha

you. Thank


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Paul Fremont

had with I Western that Commissioner for me confused petition. thought Pardon the had Thanks. NMPRC. Becenti-Aguilar But being Resources dismissed the

was a out does So commission's order original that Or how represent Fischmann that position? – put change yesterday, the in rejected? is the still petition does does the

Pat Vincent-Collawn

an So, filed interlocutory it what happened Paul, after denied was was, WRA appeal Commissioner by Becenti-Aguilar.

responding second filing Advocates that Resource Commissioner was Fischmann this a So by Western to. is

Paul Fremont

appeal? commission of they sort could going here the Becenti-Aguilar just same to that does the that basically, with respond or came out the that rejecting is Commissioner essentially still So, response out with come mean

Pat Vincent-Collawn

going did So, responded to X. on they what – that right? they on And this differently, they're hear responses give was said August

respond to they Now, Becenti-Aguilar Commissioner differently can did. what

we So August no is what responses to Commissioner due got X. said hear is this Fischmann this we on want and important,

Commissioner So respond to did. Becenti-Aguilar they could differently what

Paul Fremont

from a commission again, Is and get definite what And in my out then is yourself the then you Okay. a or to then or go rejected you definite then be free said they no court? WRA if of to understanding would – then that… the there's

Pat Vincent-Collawn

correct. That’s

Paul Fremont


it. I you think much. Thank that’s very

Pat Vincent-Collawn

Paul. you’re Hey, welcome,


over closing our concludes Pat session. would now to back This like remarks. I for conference Vincent-Collawn Ms. to turn any question-and-answer the

Pat Vincent-Collawn

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