PNM PNM Resources

Lisa Goodman Director of Investor Relations
Pat Vincent-Collawn Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer
Chuck Eldred Executive Vice President, Corporate Development & Finance
Don Tarry Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer
Julien Dumoulin-Smith Bank of America
Durgesh Chopra Evercore ISI
Paul Fremont Mizuho
Jonathan Reeder Wells Fargo
Paul Patterson Glenrock Associates
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Good day, and welcome to the PNM Resources First Quarter 2020 Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Lisa Goodman. ahead. go Please

Lisa Goodman

call and morning Jason, Conference everyone joining at this for Please available documents Thank our on the thank PNM this website conference for presentation for that, XXXX other Resources us supporting note are you, the you and First Call. Quarter

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Pat Vincent-Collawn

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Pat Vincent-Collawn

Don. Thanks

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So, open let's Jason, up for questions. it


Please Thank question Bank ahead. comes you. first of Dumoulin-Smith from [Operator of Instructions] The Julien go America.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

I Good well. hope Hi. you all team. are morning doing

Pat Vincent-Collawn

are Good morning, you Julien. Hopefully too.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Indeed. Thank you.

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Pat Vincent-Collawn

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rate we filing. talk Don with about a to fits wider of sort So, have you in this how

Don Tarry

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Julien Dumoulin-Smith

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Pat Vincent-Collawn

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in of costs are would the go keep But what just, because So we capital up system and putting to for that recover as Don and allow keep reductions. plans fixed as the our way us forward we said. of it we in are our year investing and variable are cost rest set set to the

seeing amount a of And we are still here. fair construction

started and and customer efficiency appliances have will decrease what that will looking for? still is permanent given energy per stronger before we just COVID-XX think So coming buildings I but customers online and codes you're use Is in it new against us that that protect what programs. a better long

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

well. Stage on III, back Again as of the converse details mean, some returns based decoupling XXXX pending. on in of in earned some right? exact of under Stage roll rates see that get could as in you II, I So confidence The it XXXX potentially. a mechanism as that XXXX bad level could new Yes. these

Don Tarry

EPS. through And earned kind of, Yeah. returns walk and on little a bit Julien,

or approved again and the benefits of in There's rate goes But midyear. so… that at in We timing decoupling you look December. We in, yet. usually guidance you do with would reference, haven't as of January, the it, the in if think would associated have for those elements case frame come with XXXX is out came up guidance as place you of into with some think came

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

a power I'll as be quick question it your we of last get right October, as obviously, leave now lot to in noise dockets whatever it that is ownership I about been by that. can. pending. about Super done? your What's replacement Got if And There's, broadly piece say stands clarity it. your as confidence

Pat Vincent-Collawn

a June, as of but about the that confident those that lot out. could for whole having include very have they about commissioners what pulling a at which One we're whole, portfolio -- perspective, which makes that Julien, we it argue getting decision. do And PNM a second PPAs. the now examiners PPAs at The a talked out that two hearing decided where sense. from as take the to or plenty time at sit those a that Okay. will looking of is commission to piece looking gives in also portfolio. But look wanted

ability the that talking on potentially they reopening have things commission's do harmed the and that decided those pleased that. get power that were about we replacement not case they of discussion, And one would time. in rebidding about And the our to and were in is to

think multiple that as frame. on going we look different we one portfolios that is good in the portfolios we portfolio very a have that time of those submitted submitted sign they're so the to the at decide and And appropriate or

to I at as to at wanted bifurcating one whole point in look think the opposed picture it. time just they

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Excellent. Thank you.

Pat Vincent-Collawn

you, Thank Julien.


The Durgesh ISI. Chopra next go from Evercore question ahead. from comes Please

Durgesh Chopra

I I you just peak the the charge team. can TNMP but or are minimal of Can and trends, Gulf Thanks West areas? just Hey, good you on putting I and to there. impact out demand appreciate destruction of compliment Coast morning detail to and super. is what want for demand that quantify demand just ask Texas in terms you terms in the in drag seeing the revenue, you

Pat Vincent-Collawn

and take I'll Sure, morning Don for Durgesh. you. have good one that

Don Tarry


demand categories there. large demand seen our them in our So customers. Texas primary demand We West and customers call decreases are no we've

load continuing go fact In up. to they're continues and produce well to

commercial small It's and Our offset that those. at customers X%. been demand those continues we -- quantified really been to being demand up with about residential on side. that the go type factors associated in in that's by That's range

direct demand. So and seen we've pretty between the offset smaller residential the a

Pat Vincent-Collawn

set record I this peak a And ERCOT last think week.

Durgesh Chopra

credit from III get are delayed. ask you any thinking color rate into on the might it can And love looks conversations credit had and Got if you maybe, terms those here you've any you metrics? it. like I conversations. How Thank of, if in the you. And then or about get II with would obviously, Stages your case impacts the agencies,

Don Tarry

about. case. moving Yeah, that we're filing little the we've mechanism not decoupling the talked Durgesh rate We're to bit a

metrics. We alluded liquidity of have rating financings positions and agencies us through our We Chuck the walk on that significant liquidity. just ongoing to our financial discussions amount a with completed lifted well them our that or

So that from we're shape good perspective. in

Durgesh Chopra

guys. Okay. all you. I That’s Thanks Thank had.

Pat Vincent-Collawn

Thank you.


ahead. The next Please Paul Mizuho. go comes Fremont from from question

Pat Vincent-Collawn

Paul. morning, Good

Paul Fremont


sort giving San in to Transition of, were replacement District. the that resources they sounded requirement I be NMPRC, more the the Act During it on weight Juan deliberation your bifurcation built Energy like request, mean,

really unfriendly gasified for So the gas? base as sort company? imply not to alternative if more we, and that the also essentially build that all Scenario investment wouldn't your the being more financeable, of, would really rule is potentially alternative So rate coal scenario would fit environmentally in be that wouldn't only out and X, necessarily expensive, result which the

Pat Vincent-Collawn

for. the expressing putting commissioners So was and the that scenario it discussion Act's up But, yes, a and describing on some X. of say there's there. tweaks weight I be little preference similar I maybe more more take I preference up I their Energy our what that Transition think a discussion, heard from sounded think Paul strong while three There the it like a they I could were think is a they for would solar to Scenario were to,

Paul Fremont

that the Okay. the your proposal adopted, what on base? of rate to effect would your be were also assuming And modified sort then, capital be on spend and WRA

Pat Vincent-Collawn

solar, modified and The WRA some Don? that gas more proposal has more

Don Tarry


a proposal think of -- decreases units couple So, LMXXXXs. I of it modified

LMXXXXs is are that. XX per those about think there LMXXXX to way the about to million related think I So

So mean I balance. be of would that the kind

You'd see the adjustment.

gap customer alluded as associated with well projects we that rates and there that distribution -- can ready that the balance to, go. align with Chuck that additional As could fill we to to they're we always transmission

Paul Fremont

the looks financing XXXX, out put like corporate that down power The And the with completely it then, of earnings the quarter. quarter-to-quarter. numbers and the are the that fourth sort in confusing bit. a Can all? of from the chart at the is of I different sort at question sort charts numbers between guess you of and changing Like sort relationship the the you are distribution keep that of last little discuss than numbers

Chuck Eldred

is talk It this at be Paul, maybe might -- better to just least... Chuck.

Paul Fremont

Take that off-line? That's fine.

Chuck Eldred

reconciling Yeah. understanding. at and numbers, Because we're on can it's get to looking you're -- we're what want we an how clear and some that be to sure we

So take then let's there's anything... And just if off-line. that

Paul Fremont

problem. no problem, No

Chuck Eldred


the all-gas It of Okay. the you it megawatts XXX checking does And storage. all-gas is XXX numbers also location the combination and talked in a versus too $XXX million. in of of rate we add I base gas scenario two, just million rate want megawatts is to of $XXX add the The here. one scenario piece battery of that recommended base scenario about one gas have that the and gas then

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a perspectives whole the in have standpoint to of a is rate that that I doesn't path. it that significant want be think base. they had go rate going give I of base they to don't lot So if difference down any

Paul Fremont

it. Got

Okay. Thank you.

Pat Vincent-Collawn

Thanks needs the Lisa Paul. company.

So call. a give her

Paul Fremont



comes from ahead. go Fargo. question next Reeder The Please from Wells Jonathan

Jonathan Reeder

stay-at-home wanted in impacts been slide an of monthly Hey, three of on things. X all. the a Stage Are XX, that full just Most to answered, assumption order? of my is and but I clarify have the couple

Pat Vincent-Collawn

can Jon, Good it's morning. you Pat. --

your on of kind Would last repeat last part. up sentence? broke You the you

Jonathan Reeder

on monthly I impacts the stay-at-home X just -- order Yes. wanted and XX? to in slide full Stage X

Pat Vincent-Collawn


three. stay-at-home if in full are asking orders So the scenarios two you're and

Jonathan Reeder

that In sensitivity full Is scenarios a order? two XX. and three, the slide yeah, assuming stay-at-home

Chuck Eldred

Jonathan, good morning.

the open two, into more stage mode end three are a slow assume businesses that stage would go full of we and stay-at-home way assume through to the it would For and all recession the order a year.

Pat Vincent-Collawn

an And a to would but bit the envision stage mean a think fact I stage cases. envisions uptick it's three also when we're in of significant going kind have we wave. know opens uptick in second little a I all it of cases three that

Jonathan Reeder

Yeah. Okay.

a Texas So it, with a seems scenario? doing contemplated about of stage mean like two now reopening and like New obviously it talking I you're ahead kind in partial Mexico anything of

Pat Vincent-Collawn

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spaces, into will think helpful again people open be and can those So move us. when I we for it very


Jonathan Reeder

the trade-off Okay. down almost essentially the essentially expectations, kind sounds by being New what it load not modified load offset And reductions from of thing I just two being you're in relative original then, those higher the land-based Mexico as other the thinking. originally assumption impact mean like commercial to the much. Texas

Don Tarry


the down in Texas residential Texas. on So aligned came side

So we see Texas between almost a commercial. direct residential in and offset

commercial small And see XX% about Mexico and XX%, an total X% residential did April. New the we're On the New sector. in seeing of we what PNM side, Mexico. side, state on increase the in up to That's X% at is our on commercial

Jonathan Reeder

but Okay. like net-net consolidated impact not bit of overall, the headwind much? a little a PNM. But to It's

Don Tarry

that Jonathan. have on Yes. numbers XX with the we aligned It's


Jonathan Reeder


Great. additional I right. appreciate All Thanks the Okay. it. for data. so

Pat Vincent-Collawn

Jonathan. Thanks,


Paul go The from question from Associates. comes Instructions] ahead. [Operator Patterson next Please Glenrock

Paul Patterson

morning. good Hey,

Pat Vincent-Collawn

Good Paul. morning,

Paul Patterson

I just, follow on Fremont's wanted Paul up So, respect with questions to to CapEx.

that follow do it's of feeling economic there you sense of so ground a -- how with this sort I guys if much could, as of I the of if sort just, on -- CapEx might you might economy you grain what being on salt, us might sensitive, just terms see what And are guess? and sensitivity impacted? I economically outlook. take to be the And Just me. sensitive, a early the economically be sort of unprecedented, it its but know days you how in the of, be remind the

Pat Vincent-Collawn

the Yes. see that for mostly customers Paul, the in resources out and a And, rate the replacement CapEx is securitizing power Juan. San The the stuff And San resources, resources nice day and isn't new Juan. economically goes San base renewable decrease flexible because we're our replaces coming bills, sensitive. in, of the really the Juan

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reliability. to as Don in want when Texas Texas, And for that of in was because our I Commission in in out time to started electrify. to The last there keep it ERCOT building want Don sure got and as they of its most they lot is this, and said, And doing Texas, I folks with that said, encourage us customers capital the make that of West ready. because come, they've then is a -- it

sensitive the it's to economy. really not So

Paul Patterson

which then, like I -- to and a give little -- your on for re-urgence with you stuff, deferrals bit And everything, is to know could respect great. respect of you far residential deal-paying us but respect commercial are of with with so so experience far? guys looking Okay, customer the sort to a flavor and activities and for

Don Tarry


it. listening point basis So, those as that customer folks our We about to group customers. to Again, payment what with we you And the to able the well all the is that seem a alluded other is utilities, state, align the utilities to with receptive in with New publicly no we Mexico. associated costs I in Commission outreaching hearing, disconnect with we're defer as mean, held talked allows up work because filed arrangements this it daily flexible with it. as And they be other and to at on the costs Commission payments. very service to

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So that through of how working feel monitoring and a we're gives kind of the you bad debt.

Pat Vincent-Collawn

that in what just customers normal you general, give what their would would So as how now rate a -- to many residential us were Can that? the like be? paying say or are flavor bills have percentage not opposed for you

Don Tarry

that We've the folks would of able being payments. have my migrate such disconnect, why or X% me. towards up it debt range -- working we into is, the I would And X% payment don't would in that utilities they'll number to to get I good on guess about go the seen mean, it eventually see. be utility again, we're have and bad kind once arrangements and be low the and will their making make able thing working

be every which feel debt. in To historically, able pay X.X% year had total ability work give And to revenues. Eventually, our you move our Mexico in ranges about because will And, $X low with New total debt disconnect. the very that's they as bad to bad you of customers. to you we've million, a about have the is

Pat Vincent-Collawn

only the us it that think discussion not as the the more strengthening because around giving but setting even work our and I is asset positive, utilities' a very the Commission to And, with customers. Paul, regulatory up was tracker flexibility Commission financing, sees

while they discussion. a So -- acted it it very good was haven't was yet,

Paul Patterson

Good hear. so to Thanks much. Great.

Pat Vincent-Collawn

Thank you.


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Pat Vincent-Collawn

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