Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft (DB)

James Rivett Head-Investor Relations
Christian Sewing Chief Executive Officer
James von Moltke Chief Financial Officer
Andrew Lim Societe Generale
Jon Peace Credit Suisse
Jernej Omahen Goldman Sachs
Daniele Brupbacher UBS
Adam Terelak Mediobanca
Stuart Graham Autonomous Research
Piers Brown HSBC
Magdalena Stoklosa Morgan Stanley
Jeremy Sigee Exane BNP Paribas
Andrew Coombs Citi
Amit Goel Barclays
Anke Reingen RBC
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James Rivett

Thank you all for joining us for our Preliminary Fourth Quarter Results Call.

As usual on our call, our CEO, Christian Sewing will speak first, followed by our Chief Financial Officer, James von Moltke. The presentation, as always, is available for download in the Investor Relations section of our website, db.com.

Before we get started, let me just remind you that the presentation contains forward-looking statements, which may not develop as we currently expect. We therefore ask you to take notice of the precautionary warning at the end of our materials. hand Christian. me let that, over to With

Christian Sewing

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James von Moltke

you, Thank Christian.

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James Rivett

line open the for questions. Operator, let’s


[Operator Societe from Andrew question First is Please Lim Instructions] the of from ahead. go line Generale.

Andrew Lim

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the there. So if you could explain movements

Christian Sewing

Well, thanks, Andrew.

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James von Moltke

it’s Andrew, James. And

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Andrew Lim

That’s great. much. Thank very you


from ahead. Credit line Jon the Peace from is Suisse. go Please of question Next

Jon Peace

thank Yes, you.

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James von Moltke

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Sachs. of question line is Omahen Jernej Next the from from Goldman

Jernej Omahen

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Christian Sewing

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James von Moltke

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Jernej Omahen

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Daniele of line the from go UBS. Please from Brupbacher is question Next ahead.

Daniele Brupbacher

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James von Moltke

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Daniele Brupbacher

clear. Very you. Thank

James von Moltke

Daniele. Thanks,


from next go Our is the Please from of ahead. line Mediobanca. question Terelak Adam

Adam Terelak

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James von Moltke

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Adam Terelak

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James von Moltke

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Adam Terelak

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James von Moltke

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Adam Terelak

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James von Moltke

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Adam Terelak

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James von Moltke

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Adam Terelak

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James von Moltke

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line ahead. Next from from Graham Research. go of is the Please question Stuart Autonomous

Stuart Graham

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Christian Sewing

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Stuart Graham

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from Brown Please from the HSBC. Piers question of Next go is line ahead.

Piers Brown

please. afternoon. questions, two good got Yes, I’ve

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Christian Sewing

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James von Moltke

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Piers Brown

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Christian Sewing

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with are you question? Brown, finished your Mr.

Piers Brown

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of from Please Morgan is question Magdalena line from Stoklosa ahead. Stanley. the Next go

Magdalena Stoklosa

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Christian Sewing

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Magdalena Stoklosa

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Christian Sewing

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James von Moltke

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Magdalena Stoklosa

Okay. Thank you.


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Jeremy Sigee

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James von Moltke

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Jeremy Sigee

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Jeremy Sigee

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Andrew Coombs

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James von Moltke

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Andrew Coombs

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from is of the Amit question Next line Please Barclays. Goel ahead. go from

Amit Goel

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James von Moltke

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Amit Goel

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Anke Reingen

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James von Moltke

questions, the for Thanks Anke.

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Christian Sewing

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Anke Reingen

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James Rivett

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