Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft (DB)

Ioana Patriniche Head-Investor Relations
Christian Sewing Chief Executive Officer
James von Moltke Chief Financial Officer
Stuart Lewis Chief Risk Officer
Adam Terelak Mediobanca
Daniele Brupbacher UBS
Kian Abouhossein J.P. Morgan
Jeremy Sigee BNP Paribas Exane
Tom Hallett KBW
Nicolas Payen Kepler Cheuvreux
Stuart Graham Autonomous
Anke Reingen RBC
Piers Brown HSBC
Amit Goel Barclays
Andrew Lim Societe Generale
Andrew Coombs Citi
Magdalena Stoklosa Morgan Stanley
Timo Dums DZ Bank
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Ladies and gentlemen thank you for standing by, I’m Stuart, your Chorus Call operator. Welcome and thank you for joining the Deutsche Bank Q4 2021 Analyst Call. Throughout today’s recorded presentation all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Presentation will be followed by a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Ioana Patriniche, Head of Investor Relations. ahead. go Please

Ioana Patriniche

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James von Moltke

Thank you Christian.

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Ioana Patriniche

ready Thank we to questions. are now Operator, take James. you,


the first [Operator Instructions] please. moment for question, One

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Adam Terelak

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James von Moltke

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Adam Terelak

thanks that. for Brilliant all


from line ahead. go from Brupbacher of Please Next question is UBS. the Daniele

Daniele Brupbacher

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Christian Sewing

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James von Moltke

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Daniele Brupbacher

Thank That’s much. you great. very


line the go Abouhossein Next question ahead. J.P. is Kian Please Morgan. from from of

Kian Abouhossein

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related is capital. question to second The

shareholders And thought Your there as And any to terms earnings get about buybacks is capital that return we in purely. that you’re update should related dividends. Thanks. to mix? and of for giving is an XXXX earnings XXXX result, a

James von Moltke

Christian on to add work well. Sure. want Lots Kian, comments. you. there some to as And thank may

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Stuart Lewis

just the obviously there front March let Kian, to the on details and we given through add of management because said in all done we bank what be have only investment this the in and you more provide XX. me with go investments technology, you stable the now where James we order can the is we business, were it ratio and in actually are on focused everything we to business, four bank actually nice focused see cost end the thing all businesses, see in we that finally ratio, as But share, talking we we investments, that we better believe business. businesses obviously market relevant, XX% have costs and that’s coming cost of XX%, if about technology income down actually off we new those our that where income that this incremental And pays a which particular dramatically. is had on

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Kian Abouhossein

very. you helpful. Very Thank

Christian Sewing

Kian. you, Thank


from Next BNP the ahead. Please line is from Jeremy Sigee question go Exane. of Paribas

Jeremy Sigee

have I’ve Hello. follow-ups that of been Thank you couple on got very topics already just discussed. much. a

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James von Moltke

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Christian Sewing

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Jeremy Sigee

very That’s you. Thank helpful.


the from from of question Next go Please Tom KBW. is line ahead. Hallett

Tom Hallett

guys. Hi Thanks for questions. my taking Yeah.

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James von Moltke

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Tom Hallett

James. Thanks,

questions on follow component probably out did what allocate cash of quick a the criteria towards have and that you you one there allocate that within the towards between up Just get the was choice you buybacks. the what

James von Moltke

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Tom Hallett

Thank great. you. That’s


from the is line question Please Next of Payen Kepler Nicolas from Cheuvreux. go ahead.

Nicolas Payen

for have afternoon. Yes. Good two, taking I Thanks my question. please.

on the first in will be IDD March. The one

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Christian Sewing

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Nicolas Payen

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Stuart Graham

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Stuart Graham

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Anke Reingen

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Anke Reingen

Okay. Thank you.


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Piers Brown

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Christian Sewing

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Piers Brown

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Amit Goel

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Amit Goel

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Amit Goel

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Andrew Lim

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James von Moltke

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Andrew Lim



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Andrew Coombs

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Andrew Coombs

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Magdalena Stoklosa

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Magdalena Stoklosa

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Timo Dums

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Stuart Lewis

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