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Second Sight Medical Products (EYES)

Participants
Lisa Wilson IR
Will McGuire President and CEO
John Blake CFO
Dallas Salazar Atlas Consulting
Amit Dayal H. C. Wainwright & Co
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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Second Sight First Quarter 2018 Results Call.

During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode and afterwards we'll conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, the conference is being recorded Thursday, May 10, 2018. And now I'd like to turn the conference over to Lisa Wilson, Investor Relations for Second Sight. Please go ahead.

Lisa Wilson

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Will McGuire

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John Blake

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Operator

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Dallas Salazar

guys, Hey here. for few a questions. taking I thanks have

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Will McGuire

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be - in us think I another think I for strong it'll QX. So in short, quarter

of As the continued for growth. - remainder expect the year, I growth

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Dallas Salazar

is And just that zero right? of assumption Argus, on baked to label clarify is that expansion your the outlook for

Will McGuire

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Dallas Salazar

part if the that. with sort you And color just elaborate ask as progress stage background? the I just in that, of or conversations quickly a all really with can on any at to to made Like maybe of the kind B FDA you've

Will McGuire

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Dallas Salazar

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Will McGuire

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Dallas Salazar

know I'm No, does. being liberty upset for FDA more of did, of getting the that including know path commercialization? have that you a up bit the that breakthrough you're of I little here, and it is on with other another just here of to folks which regarding the you familiar What The here, regulatory path follow commercialization me Orion device sort some the taking things. caused and ultimately type ask impact risk program. kind of you [indiscernible] processes to these does but that of

So path for and how would how take through some your regulatory with that program, history of things into commercialization approved to break you getting what the does can the bodies Orion? factor device all that from

Will McGuire

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it So, a very a for as we much us. positive view

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Operator

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Amit Dayal

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are how this FDA discussions maybe does for cetera? patient with what next situate with So et steps and you the that

Will McGuire

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Amit Dayal

on turned And the testing just other is curiosity, for is times you guys so doing just out are or while at turned of on patient? it this

Will McGuire

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Amit Dayal

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Will McGuire

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John Blake

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Will McGuire

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Amit Dayal

in sort the wrong. front, cash quarters just until the you of reading good guys another it commentary maybe the your I'm we aren't the of two included But placement worth that have - this at end XX unless looks of the the year. first sort that of indicated expenses looking happened, like the quarter, of call On million

could help reconcile me So you please? this,

John Blake

John. is this Amit, Hi

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year believe takes cost us position So to in this lower later able a a capital. that we to of be financing to achieve the really

Amit Dayal

holding one final rates Are one guys, for you reimbursement steady me. from Just any front? changes that on

Will McGuire

the since of year. changes beginning No the

the reimbursement the the for and XXX,XXX. average device procedure Our in US is

past that's in talked could we location. average, upon an geographic As actual the vary based reimbursement the

lower lower So higher a cost areas reimbursement, reimbursement. a have have higher cost areas

changes to US, actually line in - any And to in our of maybe Canadian one and reimbursement and is had I the so little in quarter US reimbursement much the the more in a don't the Ontario cause US. reimbursement than location bit with is think the to vary very very close quarter we actual US, the would implants. be could of reimbursement that just Outside thing

reimbursement as well. strong in So good Ontario

John Blake

add or favoring that than better our we year we mix to that had what will geography wanted as given that region ASPs American overall Just project overall. the North Europe this in XXXX support versus to be good

Amit Dayal

I seeing reimbursement was market. rates we're of what ask international the going kind to in average on

John Blake

I think XXs. the we're in seeing

average. So, markets around I pretty indirect consistent something the in pretty and some we've some of XXs of low the there on couple variability in like last between direct there years XX,XXX, think but it's the with reported - Amit, our what consistent, or that is markets, ASP the maybe somewhere

Operator

hand at time questions for Will all questions like believe have back we this I it the McGuire. to or I that's to time.

Will McGuire

day, our update a our joining forward an call. on Have thanks. for I and look call today to great everyone again next Thanks providing

John Blake

Thank you.

Operator

and for please that that and for ask today. participation the concludes Ladies your gentlemen We you your you thank line. call disconnect