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Participants
Tim Owens Genworth Financial, Inc.
Thomas J. McInerney Genworth Financial, Inc.
Kelly L. Groh Genworth Financial, Inc.
Kevin D. Schneider Genworth Financial, Inc.
Ryan Krueger Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.
Sean Dargan Wells Fargo Securities LLC
Thomas Gallagher Evercore Group LLC
Geoffrey Murray Dunn Dowling & Partners Securities LLC
Josh Esterov CreditSights, Inc.
Peter Troisi Barclays Capital, Inc.
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Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Genworth Financial's First Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Daniel, and I will be your coordinator today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.

We will facilitate a question-and-answer session towards the end of this conference call.

As a reminder, the conference is being recorded for replay purposes. you during using today's the that phones phones, call. ask headsets or Q&A we refrain cell from speaker Also, portion of Tim I presentation Relations. to like Owen, to would Investor Head turn of now over the Mr. you Owen's, proceed. may

Tim Owens

Thank for Genworth's you first and call. joining earnings you, Good XXXX operator. everyone, thank morning, quarter

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Thomas J. McInerney

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the $XXX quarter or operating share. $X.XX adjusted million was income diluted per For

growth mortgage businesses. solid businesses had strong our capital Our excellent insurance and of each global with in levels results,

our we in in as updated to year-over-year excluding the increased of with strong performance and year-over-year million force million, to conditions. housing the income in economic very underlying in earnings experience higher Australia, $XX continue In million to increased XX% foreign strong with income XX% benefit. And and We to quarter foreign curve Canada to of $XX year-over-year MI, earned Canada, reform strong income loss operating adjusted impact operating quarter premiums part due adjusted operating a currency, excluding market businesses. U.S. in $XXX the growth, adjusted pattern. loss performance driven insurance tax Starting the also had first and U.S. currency, increased impact XX% by

long million insurance driven operating loss life insurance by of continued generating $X faced segment headwinds, losses. care term an Our

action move plan will that However, long continue these insurance offset were challenges multi-year we XXXX. expect continued as by term care traction partially on through our we rate

significant the leverage our future. experience higher intended decades premiums shown make continues the to significant as annual the of on cash There progress our are from Genworth's into to legacy performance Genworth earnings presentation, claims to improving over is flow cover higher on which XX paid slide expected As premium are be LTC of these the increases policies. to

continue increases net next under additional force additional years, annual premium our will multi-year over add plan we basis. to rate to on years action policies value on flow Genworth seek five in future of which estimate to We the billion $X seven an our a cash present

the extended together last extension a time have now Let agreement approvals evaluation the required is regulatory Since an transaction. rights to Genworth more reviews, X, Genworth our time of continued on for to whether to performs the me it board considered, In an is Oceanwide pending is for our alternatives. note secondary update, assess important It the conditions for XXXX. to and Oceanwide termination each transaction stockholders and July Oceanwide merger best Genworth's a under period versus allow closing merger regulatory work to agreement provide have on and other transaction. order update that the

first agreement the the it for extended continues Oceanwide as Australia Genworth board stockholders. the value believe transaction most merger and Oceanwide Also the proposed transaction. approval to received and in best quarter, regulators the during represents that for Our certain from

proposed Investment announced we last or CFIUS, our review to them with in provide transaction. with the Committee notice and As re-filed time the Genworth joint on week, their withdrew to United Oceanwide and discuss voluntary and additional Foreign States

We personal The involves committed process, to our are in effective is We period by step us meaningful to ongoing encouraged data directly all the parties. agreed acceptable our that for provider one we security conversations productive which period. believe a fact to risk the solution with an review XX-day continue a the data and a in risk that policyholders. of mitigation is safeguarding proposal of proposal and Genworth a our re-filing to offers following Oceanwide The this developing plan third-party the both CFIUS a re-filing service U.S. fully about proceed additional mitigation to enables day presented CFIUS February. investigation are that

the our million, transaction, GLAIC. purchase a $XXX We about of market for GLAIC discussions un-stacking fair have with had is believe Genworth extensive Oceanwide Delaware and of value including which price the regulator of the

in methodologies Delaware, fair were we a agreeing valuation successful not acceptable after discussing mutually with various market value. However, on

a Oceanwide constructively with a finalize result, applicable the seek required filings for the hearing a Genworth and All on working we'll working un-stacking. These regulators the in to other future. parties to transaction. are filings are necessary with for changes amended Delaware required, transaction approval schedule amendments, Delaware the As to the and are no complete and regulatory near

the original Oceanwide of Genworth's this will of to the at included un-stacking make fund a also commitment the a commitment of included contribute due by to closing the of without not to transaction. Genworth reminder As May capital million contribution for the transaction XXXX. $XXX un-stacking. The of structure Oceanwide retirement capital of contribute a million structure original to in the debt this $XXX capital transaction Oceanwide by the

million $XXX given in use where was not a Genworth allocation. transaction, along will a capital Genworth Oceanwide for $XX this term investor $XXX secured the delay contribute of on million affiliate announced, the an cash the with of proceeds this Oceanwide of Accordingly, debt. will retire the million completed XXXX to financing closing previously As loan the purpose. lead with hand other

and of for consummation on stream would ratings use an primary various additional were parent, are Genworth and Oceanwide in Genworth currently believe mortgage insurance billion from pursuing XXXX we the would of the debt insurance that to level. sustainable best $X to financial Given cash Oceanwide to reasons to improve the $X.X contribution to a growth the billion margins. once Genworth, remaining Oceanwide's other debt in due will is level. at an whereby future reduction to of our developments, sufficient to the flow the to contemplated platforms we as following cash and flow our of more the is XXXX, well aggregate dividends isolate the investment We to business. and developing and transaction. over primarily capital that create bring new from retiring mortgage or be contribute financial with for dividend a potential The opportunities ratios in Genworth service the debt the enable businesses, $X.X coverage leverage flexibility considering comfortable business focus believe our a these as un-stacking the debt three plan, our to currently the billion debt capital At range a of LTC manageable alternatives, billion level, further other believe to U.S. service protect of uses After $X.X our time

new this ratings the companies Genworth's service plan of reduction level We improve the GLAIC means The un-stacking be for GLAIC in would This $X to be expect for the policyholders. debt used benefit also not to the over near will future. believe can parties debt flow strengthen cash and time. a of the finalize needed to life the billion of capital

to how discussions of we with will to $XXX that we handle previously determine Additionally, the in agreed the million GLAIC. contribute are un-stacking to Virginia Genworth

We an commitment in as regulators will intended to as with the we move update course due seek capital with finalize and the as of review use quickly a the process provide forward possible.

to turn I will Now, over the Kelly. call

Kelly L. Groh

good some and will cover cash and the everyone. first Tom context our key morning Thanks, Today around as quarter I uses well company. our sources holding provide at as drivers results and

quarter's with quarter adjusted for of $XXX performance. and income $XXX net We this operating income Let's financial begin of million, reported the million.

insurance businesses. performance loss reflected Canadian Our in overall and continued strong results U.S. mortgage our

annuity business performance care life by U.S. results Our mixed offset insurance. losses and fixed in with life term strong insurance long were

businesses, Our come for after-tax individual and tax prior Australia countries. Tax some in our primary for Act, periods. more results. earnings in U.S. businesses when rate and discuss versus recently those our rates I which overall to U.S. will XX% from local expenses an and our most life closely and with Jobs The in million approximately our This additional insurance reflect from of MI XX% lowered overall corporate. Cuts benefit tax Canada more results to lift XX% and did $XX I tax benefits explain to passed provided the business of effective businesses

periods, recur While benefit international the to by I subsequent in will due pre-tax mix do to businesses. changes amount income of our income vary expect a our in and

points in underwriting improvement in seasonally our quarter year's we The delinquencies, of last MI, expectations. loss to and steady prior regions. results first insurance continuing not the reflecting and prior most low perform the unemployment favorable levels, consistent driven all which our and material solid housing with aging. U.S. down businesses, year. Incremental quarter, mortgage X quarter the delinquencies higher saw XX points economic loss strong is new cures from hurricanes is by these were In performance from lower X%, Moving trends our was quarter from across our ratio with the to losses for growth,

higher reflecting additional refinancing interest rates, $X delinquencies by XXXX. the for quarter versus of tax reserves approximately continues in did U.S. We trend approximately million in elevated $XX hit lower million in hurricanes The periods. are rate stronger, prior reduces Persistency lapses. which improve by holding driven the to areas earnings

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continue to of uncertainty, monitor mitigate market modestly transaction as this are offerings given periods. expect our to share ratings as our some our be our overall that share We quarter our than to market this versus we product lower capital served differentiated service prior pleased well up but levels closely and and we strong pressure as have competitors,

points insurance businesses a from primarily mortgage our ratio in new loss Turning X severity the delinquencies. prior of increase Canadian XX%, reflecting quarter increased to modest to Canada,

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points fourth sequentially loss and delinquency curve versus points X adjustment seasonal in ratio X have quarter higher driven of Excluding the a been aging would prior the lower level year up driven by and cures, by the earned premium. the down earnings

unearned resulting Australia in As review applied premium a fourth of of reserve premium retrospectively pattern completed reminder, of our U.S. a XXXX, adjustment business in that quarter for the accounting. cumulative the earnings its a GAAP was

prospectively earned normalize as to the be I than which increase XXXX, earnings time are expected longer several As over to different Australia the $X earnings then do earned a of compared the over premiums the reform earnings U.S. U.S. versus horizon. result when benefit earned but treatment locally. $X that rate. and This is differences changes, for to GAAP tax will and during IFRS years next premiums, adjusted benefit result a the The these smaller curve of GAAP premiums want Australia, note was curve metrics adjustment in was thereafter retrospectively. million from reports in level loss quarter given Canada versus The ratio earnings will local absolute between tax the the business Australia of their and million. higher in

to lower from from a the share. Australia levels business decline market due down seasonality in NIW lenders, year flow certain were XX% and and sequentially versus down penetration XX% market prior Our in

our generally but most to first fixed benefiting our quarter impacting higher our business. insurance annuity negatively insurance care mortality life reflected our our life term of Moving segment, products, U.S. insurance and lines, results long across

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is been benefit experience reserve were claims on assumptions has favorable terminations early utilization claims. muted from the XXXX, While since existing experience benefit in claim updated claims being our by higher duration overall unfavorable primarily

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to will closely. We continue this monitor

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as continue we and new to claim age. our to continue anticipate in severity blocks growth counts Lastly, a higher

claims this modest and annual quarter-to-quarter review could reserve in our of in any the testing and remainder experience. in margin earnings items result assumptions specific expect half from annual we on with absent impacts Given second the the year, our of depending variations that of these LTC XXXX losses

their mortality. business from mortality life deferred accelerated associated and higher term premiums in quarter, life and modest versus XX-year with premium to life offset the insurance continues universal which in term of to pressured Turning improvement term lower prior write-offs unfavorable with life periods, lapses insurance, life partially result primarily be post blocks was XX-year the costs. although large acquisition level The entering

to the to increase We in remainder tax $X block addition XX-year to then mortality XXXX, expect quarter continue per reduce after reaches as during results the of larger period. of trend by recent to from in did this annuity, the the end million tax premium and approximately level benefit XXXX relative favorable lower In a fixed trends the rate. see we

across the to U.S. million a $XXX of our positions excess at to end This continue the written. of In from finished sufficiency Now, and XXX%, driven businesses insurance assets platforms. growth XXX% a at was up fourth where insurance very cash I'll end solid partially quarter a assets, on PMIERs first move levels, new the MI, the capital all at a or required capital with quarter flows of maintain ratio strong mortgage performance offset above first the required in strong quarter, XXX% and by XXXX. the that of positive business by was primarily incremental of we

capital potential to buffer, will could with compliance We XXXX. be a our management continue as PMIERs XQ early GSE effective and we manage as consider standards new believe proposed prudent

remain test MCT MI we performance have Canada XXX% quarter, the our XXXX. sheet XXX% resuming in business, XXX%. of capital strengthened U.S. estimated initiated of continued operating a or the North to significant regulator which unassigned to with the and saw strong continues In Given during above a MI's conversations range balance an positive we company's surplus, dividend capital ratio minimum around Carolina with

in completed company's holding pro-rata on million share basis to company of MI XX first Canada dividends, holding quarter repurchases XXXX. we our with million the That ownership In $XX a percentage. addition as participated to CAD their the brought ordinary of

MI high from with program quarter market Our a of to a approval. the on announced paid completed to depending $XX rata we Australia million million Australia participation of Including also ratio capital this an total share and XXX% in XXX%. the fairly new a XXX%, $XX ended ordinary the shareholder noted, the international over buyback I basis, subsidiaries just Capital during amount insurance actions on capital mortgage FX company of measured along or capital target completion management XXX from Company company, the quarter. approximately in buyback, in XXX% remains completed, estimated first received consistent prior is end above holding as assuming Canada, of quarter could of When business a on to range by yesterday the bring estimated time. level $XX repurchases quarter conditions basis. market our Australia GLIC to initiated prescribed to rates to dividends the XXXX. our Life and on net at with is share dividends Genworth million subject which in XXXX, originally pro AUD a our action Similar and of Insurance million risk-based proceeds

large the rate cash were law, our earlier from testing last non-economic New revaluation and or disallow decline results, entity under flow XXXX noted levels we the deferred As drivers RBC assets GLICNY which tax of our future quarter, of actions. unapproved tax new York the

our ongoing We our New York regarding regulator pending LTC rate dialog action with request. to continue have

NAIC to factors the lower We the and with tax the to discussion after adjusting follow the regarding incorporate are ACLI RBC also continuing rates.

the rate tax we RBC factors reduce our expect factors not to yet known, are lower RBC final ratio. While

year. prior proceeds of ended This over of $XX $XXX was including are completed dedicated with operating by that of Managing assets. end balance quarter and debt of first expenses of compensation the that million quarter debt. includes quarters the to payments, at net number and items the cash in fees term quarter driven us. companies levels issue the certain reimbursed million the remaining and intercompany a had loan, factors expenses businesses of a advantage holding net Moving tax to throughout other of mentioned. the debt in paid company, by for of $X.X by recently market offset and focus XX and liquid maturing the pay trend The million $XX for from opportunities be approximately million Note increase million was million expense, including and higher to quarter mostly the billion discount $XX and May of approximately just interest continue cash the partly from dividends taking I $XX we $XXX our our the the

a Given additional dividend, more we that U.S. two no and our remain debt to maturities we MI is committed business. preparing than for deleverage years, resume have to

modestly our versus cash X to service times times plus forward debt target are We buffer debt previous million. targeted $XXX our of lowering X.X service forward

changes still strong monitor closely forward, determined of an million $X.X a the investment that believe our to to flexibility GLIC. are expect this maintaining plan billion initiative with discussing to be in because $XXX that capital that will the our to which is over debt the the levels the Tom deal subject mentioned, be is stacking do was debt not plan improve timing ratings U.S. and reducing un-stacking. XXXX we the original to consummation Also, levels. these contributions for of level but this any we forward capital for time. provides made We action the as going This merger, expected a liquidity maturity, given with contributed won't for life us and prudent financial delay earmarked going the Oceanwide and million flexibility May $XXX this to I expect capital the and intended timing alternative be while of will

justified LTC As capital the we $X.X upon approving of satisfy the obligations. to action billion previously, said the within rate plan policyholder must and management rely statutory prudent have the company, regulators in-force actuarially of GLIC

capital May But be current and the no which business, retire capital with insurance given deleveraging with time. delay the our the updating mortgage the allows will debt Oceanwide. for in performance investment of our us is market we along very our provide this main the priority this transaction intentions to XXXX term additional pleased appropriate have with up, loan We something's global with maturity the am at to I execution

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Operator

of We Please sir. now take first comes ahead can go It KBW. Krueger our Ryan question. from

Ryan Krueger

morning. Hi, thanks. Good

question CFIUS, on end a period review short-end will the another the that make given period? or decision your is First time, this expectation this it way review of one final they at

Thomas J. McInerney

for thanks your Ryan, question.

would first course we're The I productive encouraged on say I we're focus having period. is, think the XX-day thing conversations that investigation with of CFIUS. And to agreed they

data I has up. on a assurances third-party tell give think point, this we U.S. And up. where But difference. we'll of the provider security will period. any is where continues can't end depending obviously made would hard to we But CFIUS at the end the review We hope that this reach that it on will end conclusion a go. it where after that by possible conversations

Ryan Krueger

(XX:XX) as terms value heated in the the the that then merger you was there issues to agreement GLAIC approving only of Delaware, other out from work Got there were of well? it. on And was need Delaware or

Thomas J. McInerney

about advisor wanted North say key Kelly all approve York Yeah. would I forward the was the Virginia, from sense states, talked the have comfortable New filings of tried repurpose transaction to flows It move the of $X.X all another and billion to to we the other and we the made the going $XXX question. transaction, to Ryan, their given the that Delaware to ultimately, benefits, that do generally states the saw of felt we're transaction, place at without structure concluded deal. Genworth in un-stacking, the an this been it capital the and to I to GLAIC the are the we confident that go Delaware Delaware, gave longer redo And for to without and because back and transaction forward issue A and I deal, that have Virginia, the get point reasons supportive Carolina, of have are and to future now the pursue million. we Oceanwide that. I that un-stacking in they but plan, the supportive un-stacking. dividend with the always the been Form we to the cash has that value right stream with new meaningful no – are differently. do capital because but and the that more while regulators a I'm the and regulators it but and un-stacking, go with new We think Oceanwide

Ryan Krueger

one contribute it Thanks. GLAIC's GLAIC, just be still intention that one the to deteriorates to no scenario in And a comments case on would the then capital capital last there additional intervention? that of where position you in not that company additional to in the any in would parent that position point still be the circumstance? was the regulator Would capital put it you have

Thomas J. McInerney

then of the ratios a that and And well in-force years, you're think forward. believe capital that, at claims, it the they action rate the doing the we be point we losses good our of and we've last minimums talking the the and capital think this the had three we and long sufficient is books, the on and life cumulative from and billion we have fine plan as companies, increases given with future $X.X that legacy made the very and years billion I premium I in that plus this of $X.X conversations think companies, of very understand five stay the as about. we've will and regulators to lot management businesses above on multi-year the we a to are going had during the given run that trends, We've clear,

Ryan Krueger

you. Thank Great.

Operator

Sean It Dargan sir. from question. along Thank now may you, comes our We Wells move next to Fargo. of

sir. open, is ahead. Please line Your go

Sean Dargan

have price. Thanks question about share the a and I per good morning. deal

presented would in that they would XXXX, economic benefit the for contributing was be $X.XX de-stacking be the way of presumably this from per So receiving they which share. Oceanwide sort But some million. was were paying $XXX

So I approval per proposed parties the that change some offer has to the has involved? there changed, been wondering, from, guess, acquisition and I'm needs share material the

Thomas J. McInerney

to Both and was change in the no $X.XX to has felt per deal. that purchase signed the stream the since been future has there It debt. and been the service we share important the Genworth consistent Sean, from GLAIC Oceanwide that So remains price. dividend

However, given at we that the projections didn't stream dividend million paying make fair our we of couldn't $XXX sense. on than million, agree value the given think what market $XXX more is

also in said, if is needed. dividend and GLAIC on $X down have for I and it so with with ongoing debt a MI strengthen get think to margin. the discussions LU the primary the billion, LTC. had new and be Chairman comfortably to comfortable business can But that I capital others. opportunities U.S. There at cover But debt, cash we significantly billion uses three the I the reduce service are new so is will range, debt. can be and MI. And to stream the we've MIs debt the the will And then Kelly forward, as we the debt service think a and the and from and plan, flow be U.S. lower come in $X.X used also therefore, And I Oceanwide, focus primary up going the with

paying still And Genworth were they're deal a so comfortable un-stacking. it's for we deal good for and Oceanwide, that Oceanwide no value still and the the makes both sense with

Sean Dargan

Okay.

in de-stacking. it? have Is debt contribute And consideration will the retirement so to equal about that to $X.X think billion the for Oceanwide amount that the that that contributed of roughly way plus time, they terms that's would over

Thomas J. McInerney

MI. contribute the again felt and so for important improving ratings, capital reason for Oceanwide was was it that particularly main Genworth on the primarily focused Oceanwide to U.S. Well,

to un-stacking. But team $XXX we're so the covering significant un-stacking. the retire million term the is term and was Kelly doing Obviously that we the investment and we're $XXX has value, Oceanwide. and that debt, debt the on ratings, million And not through the loan accomplished, improving the for still to to need strategic secured XXXX and original focus value the long capital

and the the it that alternatives. ratings, look back would we'd particularly things shareholders. they're $X.X the And us the certain think of to think so the the to company shareholders paying goes best share billion and to other And the the MI, We at, is, like add at I for to be improve company. value primarily versus to investing they're those the way at help it's U.S. compete that our in value all for most market $X.X get marketplace to billion which

think I make at look contributions. the Oceanwide improving company, those is, and to Genworth that's worth term we're the to the it Oceanwide so it long And way value of and

Sean Dargan

Thank you.

Operator

Thank along of It Evercore. Gallagher now question. Tom you, next our comes sir. to We from move

sir. open, Your ahead. line is go Please

Thomas Gallagher

Good morning.

what I be to they're to new with understand approval I be exactly So Tom, want voting from sure going standpoint. and situation Delaware just on an the

sure within right. whether it's forward stay legal just explicit for is fair by to voting right potentially or life long would that implicit capital term that, future care? it entities So Is be annuity fine they'd any is to fund Because that way, their essentially have going want say make the to is future and going I but the to business needs Delaware that on? going to that capital I that any generated what foreseeable I is with the think be for

Thomas J. McInerney

I a the your great to that's right, is think hypothesis that do not question, and going Tom, we're un-stacking.

any owned GLAIC be GLIC. So by still will XXX% so – cash

products And GLAIC over that dividends again, are $X.X future life annuity will from all the billion from any support the premium generated will the comfortable of capital once have. business the stream. company remain the retire have and the that we outstanding while in And paying help time life we future used the with that to basically if to claims are debt for we also $X.X plus own regulators XXXX, the GLAIC, are with the increases an realized our be needed there that will the think they And families. capital was debt So all important the service, on that we billion I now, that.

cash which the from the big flow, companies, don't because most for used GLAIC deal, you future can it of to we don't without have importantly perspective, because and we from regulators' now be life the need capital support as support a the and Now, suggested it's benefit the a policyholders. Oceanwide policyholders

So moving regulators no they they that's I and with with un-stacking. are the support forward comfortable been, have why will always deal, think I think the

Thomas Gallagher

the just paths? now are CFIUS makes clear they you is CFIUS or would the and of say or before that, And are a point a to hearing Delaware independent there path holding at waiting in Okay. before, still on this determination, terms they

Thomas J. McInerney

the Another could CFIUS regulator between no other set and decide their we own connection of regulators. good questions, affect with the Tom. There's other Obviously, They're doing all regulators. regulatory process. one whatever

going un-stacking into the working that we've to to with and the Form to But now that a the filings legal made with teams are you have change the A no businesses what update capital deal take do commitment. have different is reform So deal to our re-file account. and to

date, that. think goes hopefully several I So ahead. at will will set probably And it. a at will and other that then hearing some announcement; Delaware look weeks. usually that's take all days That an XX be of regulators make point, in, re-filing the will we Once Delaware

process. to we'll And as get agreement so July Obviously, extended through it's hard to the X. merger that when we date say know, you

current our deal as So we the done. we when that's view get think can to

Thomas Gallagher

then quick going that just that development long were a The got points. expectations I other cash negative those the And for care, have around only expect through, to went do a few similar commentary or ones that statutory term be GAAP for loss to issue, XXXX XXXX? Is a and impact for you for small laid I me. from the Okay. in out

Kelly L. Groh

Great question, Tom.

to do term on to statutory mentioned our it thing cash additional losses expect York, And to company, we do reserves holding we on testing the considering prepared approve And when I New long that about really the by York put with did perspective, wouldn't holding to not have small from year-end. a flow as you, we at on my New on with up testing facts. well. based have One regulators I'm on we up the care York. this dividends had reserves what cash, of if We in lack New side, that, of the as we guided because Regarding remarks is, or an associated is re-filing put active remind additional side flow the those cash that this think the in statutory way. company Kelly

Thomas Gallagher

then final one sorry, one. And – Thanks. Okay.

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Thomas J. McInerney

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Kelly L. Groh

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Thomas Gallagher

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

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Geoffrey Murray Dunn

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Thomas J. McInerney

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Kevin D. Schneider

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Geoffrey Murray Dunn

Yeah. Thank you.

Operator

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Josh Esterov

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Thomas J. McInerney

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Josh Esterov

Thank it. much. very you Got

Operator

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Peter Troisi

Thanks. Good morning.

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Thomas J. McInerney

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Kelly L. Groh

this And Kelly. Peter, is

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Peter Troisi

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Kelly L. Groh

for benefit the that see Thanks every get of bit different is outflows have employee phenomenon, related Peter. we in occur we little to because a for question. remarks first of things I quarter did year. pension variety we in type it contributions, the great quarter reimbursed a this address what first generally prepared question rest the the that a my didn't year It's of

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Peter Troisi

to be fully Okay. that'll Thanks. reimbursed three-quarters year? And you in that mentioned, that later two-thirds the

Kelly L. Groh

will. it Yes,

Peter Troisi

me. from all That's Kelly. Thanks, Okay.

Kelly L. Groh

Sure.

Operator

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Thomas J. McInerney

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Operator

Thank That participation. will call. you you Ladies gentlemen, now conference today's and may conclude for your disconnect.