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Genworth Financial (GNW)

Participants
Tim Owens VP, IR
Kelly Groh EVP & CFO
Kevin Schneider EVP & COO
Thomas McInerney President, CEO & Director
Ryan Krueger KBW
Jamminder Bhullar JPMorgan Chase & Co.
Thomas Gallagher Evercore ISI
Geoffrey Dunn Dowling & Partners Securities
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Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Genworth Financial's Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Lauren, and I will be your coordinator today. [Operator Instructions].

I would now like to turn the presentation over to Tim Owens, Vice President of Investor Relations. Mr. proceed. may you Owens,

Tim Owens

Good quarter and XXXX Operator. joining you Genworth's third earnings morning, you, thank everyone, for Thank call.

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our Today, McInerney; followed Tom Chief Executive Chief Officer. you Financial Officer, will hear from our Kelly and Groh, President by

a open Following question-and-answer our for we the period. will up prepared call comments,

to available addition Schneider, Operating your In speakers, our Chief Investment Officer; Kevin Chief Sheehan, Officer, and questions. to Dan will be take

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the statements. statutory Finally, of the references are results estimates statutory to filing due timing to of the

announced, we XX hold the call the December turn Exchange York with rules. to over to have Tom plan I New previously as XXXX Before Meeting comply Kelly, Annual and our to on Stockholders Stock we

XX, our be that proposed will Meeting near the filed XXXX completed event Annual proxy held. merger by the Our Stockholder is be XXXX statement In in will with XXXX, Oceanwide December not future.

the CEO, turn over I'll McInerney. Tom now our to And call

Thomas McInerney

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as that to to ensure to this plan in are The mitigation work appropriate regulators are experience Genworth our includes the Genworth, to mitigation XX- the protections in the and period under review Canadian businesses, CFIUS develop developed asking has process. is together transition plan Brookfield the U.S. This data from during Canada post-closing. data XX-month place Genworth the a part enhanced program of which leveraging security

sale Canadian targeting be that during and Brookfield possible period. We required Genworth transition to assurances the the data secured are have other the are the end all received of of to approvals with complete regulators the will as working transaction Canadian customer Canada and by XXXX. as currently quickly Genworth provide closing

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continue like for towards work also X been understand signed fully agreement the the our other ago. and how and your as thank Oceanwide to would other merger shareholders we for I to stakeholders, shareholders has challenging stakeholders it our that given and patience Genworth transaction. closing We years

successful Oceanwide is this possible to the committed shareholders, to conclusion everything to in of possible. Our Board bring doing transaction a continues to soon believe interest our transaction and the remain best as as we

to continues debt flexibility. address time, deliver improve the steps and maturities, Genworth upcoming solid well is At given the financial to taken its have to positioned same performance we our

our over as financial who our well will key and call Now I'll to positions. capital our of results, the liquidity drivers of review turn discuss as review provide assumption a process and performance Kelly,

Kelly Groh

and in I provide our our good and cover cash quarter and Tom, at company. will results flexibility on capital holding I financial businesses drivers. Thanks, discuss on morning, also everyone. detail will more and levels our updates Today, third key

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questions. that, open it up With for let's

Operator

with We'll Ryan take your Instructions]. from [Operator first question Krueger KBW Brokerage.

Ryan Krueger

with of terms In having the interactions you any that any are have you them? CFIUS? you include to does And reapprovals that additional need, -- do is -- need

Thomas McInerney

mitigation plan, their security deal question. are they comfortable further the good customers', do does and mitigation plan that. a were up Ryan, given Comes only national on the individual customers' satisfied the We proprietary lot. not They approved the with that protecting issue They need U.S. any approval was from that information. CFIUS.

completed not their that the objections, perspective, from review. has So we're -- and case. that remains It CFIUS has

Ryan Krueger

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Kelly Groh

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Thomas McInerney

said. Ryan, I Kelly's you agree just what with add I would comments. to

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Kelly Groh

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Thomas McInerney

Yes. XXX%.

Kelly Groh

Yes.

Operator

Bhullar from JPMorgan. comes question next Our with Jimmy

Jamminder Bhullar

So questions. I of had a couple

I were the trying of sort Canadian of around the go on But... or are another include Oceanwide? conversations of different lack as part with you sale Canadian First the to of approval And process. business now the then your then regulators have one. when the first conversations How

Thomas McInerney

that's Brookfield. before good we announced did We Jimmy, have not question. previously sale to the really interactions a much

I they Brookfield the positive our and of think have regulators of acquirer, Canada Genworth and businesses. the also view OSFI the very and a positive other Brookfield view as a have

So provide we IPO shareholders' Kelly original the the extent are as services having agreed stake. much more we to Genworth detailed both our to I certain agreement, transition parent sold our majority mentioned, or conversations. the under And -- and

and Canada process is But that commitment. I Genworth's honoring Kevin maybe comment, we're Brookfield, Genworth leading ask then to So that a I going is with Schneider, And Kevin from it's OSFI well. make working think perspective.

Genworth been Brookfield I of a some Canada. have for both and They time. both quite think favorable has OSFI view regulating entities

very you and it's do have that between So add anything to you I to discussion think more Kevin, different engaged the on work want daily. you regulators. that? Do

Kevin Schneider

any encouraged concerns working try agreement think we're to service I be able and that. through in to you we'll the dialogue solve Tom. work transition We're related to it constructive that period. And and well, characterized

Jamminder Bhullar

pretty business, of a long-term couple you've quarters in that of on then had earnings good And business. the care

the benefiting quarters. think, the the To just hikes. are the the five I last of driving price Because versus better two maybe last obviously had prior margins out four you'd I hikes and losses, are extent think quarters, experience? results the from to what better price

how aberration maybe So through? is like benefit a price flow of positive versus starting hike much this in claim of just the trend to

Thomas McInerney

think say, would in now I premium billion I I one would for $XX.X substantial. our in half gives and the It's they value XXXX, credit question. thing, we our first from of Genworth present don't enough XXXX that say great are received anniversary the achieved we've increase date. XXXX. approvals, of since net another Jimmy, pretty -- implemented. cases policy over XXX% top some very approvals substantial, in And being the are in on states. And now implemented market that XX those

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Kelly Groh

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Operator

from Gallagher ISI. Evercore comes with Tom question next Our

Thomas Gallagher

claim severity you is, or or has increased amounts? seeing? you're claim Meaning, side, First long-term that claims care -- in that larger pretty is durations the question longer increase unpack that increased the prior is severity is coming the And been can also is from that years accelerating? with consistent

Kelly Groh

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Thomas Gallagher

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Kelly Groh

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really model believe a that So from my perspective, adjustment. that leads just it's me to

Thomas Gallagher

like on you it actuarial there a then expand this comments And NYDFS, what's in the more on sounded involvement there you year. having Can made Okay. going is on the bit there? the that review

Thomas McInerney

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Thomas Gallagher

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Thomas McInerney

years this Tom, XXXX XXXX, XXX,XXX had morbidity say, is another specific a made We claims. It's in from In went the We development. data, we we XX that 'XX the new to improvement think, that I improvement, actually I about the would and that community, significant XX on conservative is by good maybe shortened changes less I and morbidity applies pay from, our not. we really mean, market review sense, a I analyst morbidity we years years. think, question. There still significantly morbidity. to now in believe XXXX.

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Thomas Gallagher

assumption morbidity on I the newer actual Because development. assumption, And to the less I emphasis clarify, part more to was last of the understand in much whether assumption on there was so more embedded assumption. there referring in improvement improvement the itself, which more the year Okay. just is is baseline I the embedded think

I now the actually think baseline it's assumption on itself.

clarify So I don't know, just point. to that wanted

Thomas McInerney

both. or it's changed It's X the as and well who are as what morbidity both X baseline think, have I from there eliminated Tom, you're are competitors improvement. There morbidity assuming that improvement.

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the baseline we both do supports experience that that make. the our morbidity and we improvement believe So assumptions

Operator

time from & Dowling Dunn gentlemen, for we and one with question Partners. Geoffrey final have Ladies

Geoffrey Dunn

market this year. market Could seem the recovery resurgence a to kind And obviously, an the a particularly versus then risk-based previous USMI NIW of about refi you You've talk this quarter, industry What little this shift bit business I talk level in a pricing. little your of year? for bit did share, trend have about penetration periods? guess in the -- had unusual to

Thomas McInerney

traditional some that the think industry. I some the for seeing question. being levels. with -- I more loans are start we're last And the that refinance part Penetration in are significant of would think recent there loans. levels significantly, I for I'll penetration say, what that Geoff. the Kevin, of improvement up is And is were Yes, reasonably of portion was refinanced

of the I -- haven't the are refinancing to experienced levels newer have where there had they older of loans to So the pay down or amortize and opportunity we before. haven't and some books

were absolutely the levels on So yes, quarter. penetration those up refinancing

position, pretty For ratings. of we business, the share good our our particularly, about feel light in USMI

and pricing our value a standpoint that levels really delivering on from we're focusing result success to it's where relationships, we a got been in underwriting we competitive customer-facing our combined propositions and of strong the we're I guideline customers, been service think overall rest and with of GenRATE, differentiating have market, industry. both as competitive pricing our of share some but the strategies influenced rollout commitment overall include -- our of as those continues recent to by the transactions. market our in selective well be forward is The engine, risk-based ongoing participation go-to-market that our

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Geoffrey Dunn

companies' In fair? but been rational, other you I previous still that's commentaries competitive have think still quarters, think would fairly

Thomas McInerney

believe that's do I yes, Overall, fair.

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Operator

Ladies and McInerney for back will comments. closing over the to turn I call gentlemen, now Mr.

Thomas McInerney

questions of Lauren, for all very today. to you Thank thanks your and you much, time and

good continued with going with Genworth Canada Oceanwide. patience interest of transaction through of this and I the your very Genworth, we're the overall your process you and, appreciate some as Brookfield investment and asked then questions sale think course, we in deal both

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Operator

your third Ladies will the this call time, and At gentlemen, for end. this earnings participation. conference concludes call. quarter Genworth Thank Financial's you