Ternium (TX)

Sebastian Marti IR
Maximo Vedoya CEO
Pablo Brizzio CFO
Caio Ribeiro Credit Suisse
Thiago Lofiego Bradesco BBI
Caio Greiner BTG
Carlos De Alba Morgan Stanley
Alfonso Salazar Scotiabank
Fabian Graimann Pictet Asset Management
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At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Ternium first quarter 2021 results call. I would now like to turn the call over to Sebastian Marti. Please go ahead, sir.

Sebastian Marti

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. My name is Sebastian Marti, and I am Ternium's Investor Relations and Compliance Director. financial the its XXXX. quarter yesterday released results first for of Ternium call presentation. that complementary This to is

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Maximo Vedoya

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slightly had the in this for the Argentina, the sector. strong construction the quarter the is country sequential the during the weak first quarter region. as year a to Shipments now first seasonally as decrease activity industrial quarter remained Turning in of did

America. is for by noting durable is domestic building that second pandemic of during demand second stable supported underway continued the Although wave worth a across materials, COVID-XX we expect shipments and to South goods remain quarter, it currently

there any conditions being, this as deteriorate, government-mandated time we cannot it But been year. rule has the out. if industrial lockdowns happened For of last facilities not

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Pablo Brizzio

good to everybody. Thanks, morning Maximo, and

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as ADS. has $XXX as company remind me on at Let May General to of previously equivalent you If to X. paid a announced, Directors Board XX record million, it the approved shareholders, meeting dividend of of that proposed May Ternium's annual would of $X.XX per shareholders on be

Okay. With we finish our this, remarks. prepared

we and As attention. always, very appreciate your time much

ready to operator, proceed with now questions. the session. Q&A are We Please take your


[Operator Instructions] question Ribeiro And with your Caio from first Credit comes Suisse.

Caio Ribeiro

next. my year-to-date. new question Mexico that's and The there considerable is steel both Clearly right Mexico. first online flat tight be coming the the appears and favorably have So to been on in this prices and is prices But U.S. market incoming trending in U.S. very very capacity, year now.

just new are if this new secondly, normalized lower And do you happening? have see levels how that if chain what your Mexico to the you capacity And compare this whole then online? when was so, normalizing capacity the levels. this comes for in I talk where see I if you once So could think you now, supply will inventory at and prices throughout that about in wondering a the prices, was impact on base wondering right you they steel expectations see

Maximo Vedoya

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going grow consumption in the to So following years. in Mexico is

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million a and is compete less. XXXX, bit were these in typical year year flat if from capacity tons, new Because year. somehow a more, to X fulfill is XX online U.S. products is with a take you little finished little and imports And coming So not Mexico this the which coming that's imports. things the a

have imports. room you with a lot these So of to compete

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And than able think so to are we more compete. that we

hope on that longer. prices. huge Caio, answered to So little I is although a a your have I going don't this impact I see bit capacity new question,

Caio Ribeiro

I No, medium to how full term trying in very flow to short perfect, was complete. going that's in and appreciate I to Maximo. long understand the really the the just answer, exactly the no, mean through that's momentum term. I

those think So If that levels? was with normalize a that take very to answer. complete just one inventory quickly I do long follow-up could thing you very may the How levels. inventory on it

Maximo Vedoya

To be sides. to year. think, little continues this demand in think more the honest, two going I think If way, of take customers, the not normalize in until to the to in going future. Mexico, the it's it's month longer. final is near over I market, Industrial near, going be I a Commercial, commercial


of next from question Bradesco And BBI. Lofiego your the with Thiago comes line

Thiago Lofiego

Thank you, a couple here. of questions

capital allocation the but will coming in be flow cash On or coming significant here mean the years. likely the you generation I quarters, every most guys that side, usual your year question in quarter, X get

we new think second given for your high will Pesqueria how Where persists, and how half should third-party that you question up year. ramp as should world? is steel consider? how allocation see we more this see you on your Should we mill? this is the at what level speeding scenario, on new -- very So up this approach the in of opportunities shipments slab prices should terms level Ternium might dividend? guys specific more we that that of globally, the second if guys capital this Any understand organic to significant growth for mindset really about should other Just of just Ternium? see point, Or the M&A given you this here agenda? And

Maximo Vedoya

easy start the Well, second one. the Thiago, with one, I

consume we than tons fourth or tons. bit But million to X run In X in Mexico, third-party a facility, slabs, is quarter, of the today next are consume year, million we probably X ramp-up year. little at going The a also to with the of new easy. slabs, are probably million around And less. other a one pace going more tons more we of the

of Next bit and year, Mexico, then little probably at probably X more. slabs of needs million tons a for

finished Brazil. Calvert. million with side, that, other at at little is a have bit than less tons, our you we know, but as almost almost Ternium running tons. the X million we And contract X On Brazil Ternium

So we to beginning U.S. in of don't May. have the to sell anything the

we local almost our Brazil, in Nevertheless, production balanced our the from opportunities particularly But if needs. slab it because you way, going slab in depend and third third on that I to to is sell that buy facility needs. the answers are are see the to third buy intend it's going our we parties But that, Brazil, So parties. we in question. from Ternium hope to balanced sell Thiago, to slab to from almost and slab from market. on are what parties to our today

Thiago Lofiego

Maximo, a Yes, just follow-up. quick

you're when like of that's premium? to Brazil, the in third going solely buy want rationale because economics because sell parties so say better the from What So to a Brazil sell to there? you at to in market you is you guys for

Maximo Vedoya

premium customers, Yes, for with so time, you these to because and have Exactly, have we customers. exactly. a them don't huge pay once every the mean, they exactly. month receiving a the by currencies, -- vessel I train ship of freight. mean, we instead a don't I day you shipping the ship a transit just-in-time premium of freight. instead a Freight,weak

analysis. economic pure So analysis, economic it's an

Thiago Lofiego

Got it.

Maximo Vedoya

term, around a are million this The in capital CapEx first we well short going in the have $XXX to year. allocation, question,

increase working to We capital. still are going

million. dividends. and $XXX with the We we we first -- in month, quarter, have little investment almost are to in prices also increase of invest Q And capital. going in million the are $XXX But in working second probably in volumes, this third huge to going next working pay and a in in the a probably capital

the organic more to always strategic Thiago, table, is up they a all that bit for analyze M&A, I dividends, is have the that are in in our question, or we continue any today. strengthens growth, your little our in are answer what doing the think aim which we Now us. further, position mean was I markets. speeded opportunity that And

mean, region We position developing have long in market. as there Mexico. to plans -- opportunities in to we are our as industrial platform the our in continue strengthen we have this I

the confident to and opportunities going to Mexico also We are there what other grow. in very of are today, seeing we that in And we where are we markets strong do. future are are that's


your comes from line of next BTG. with the And Greiner Caio question

Caio Greiner

you. Thank

contracts my U.S. trying we quarters, in per one But quarter first rising on I prices over steel to guidance EBITDA average be two results. equation industrial be might said flow to just Because attention. if that ton. on ahead. but the one hand, one probably the or you through at shaken Ternium only those and do look out EBITDA something understand would TX going that revenue was how understand more than calls your question prices that our I doubled coming to So in I in guys' the next increase by do you're year-over-year. has that that's quarters this take that is XX%, understand And per ton, to

coming they shape which material is coming have that, start And Pesqueria just results through material cost increase quarters. trying you guys understand And that going should next inflation top also that's through how also flow hand, raw also should also profitability. online, costs, you out flowing to have also you something on So inventories. mentioned as of also to that that the on I higher over Ternium's was raw other the

end about thinking a look Does forecasting at So question, quarters? the an levels if looking EBITDA just help coming for the quick the of at with coming over of ton And of of one. the issues, over you the second $XXX until understand you maybe to Ternium end see per until guys was above So just guys the to just I the it make all how those ton in sense your trying my EBITDA us per to year. trying quarters, are I numbers year? can us was

you As spot us a Maximo, ones, to how deliver many month can you share that would actually follow-up Ternium's Mexico nowadays, in maybe days guys us volumes, or are can be months, with how of one share maybe lead with of times great. taking are the you previous if

Maximo Vedoya

lead times to volume are today. Our for spot in those similar the U.S.

for So X than a to are bit you be rolled, hot weeks, more little or more, honest.

so spot no in mean, we that of contracts, someone little have we But customers monthly and a wants, problem. also a for X bit have regular volume For volume, if I a base have spot prices. Those is more it's there weeks.

Pablo Brizzio

if allow first you I part the Maximo, -- me, of will take

Maximo Vedoya

go. please Yes, Yes.

Pablo Brizzio


that question. Caio, you your put we in parts quarters. the in coming we guided analyze the cost have trying is ton There prices even some specifically outpace So for this increase in the will seeing in we which that what increase very EBITDA that are coming it moving Clearly, will the third in have are to yes, per well will quarter, second be we the seeing quarter. in and

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a good pricing So the of level we second are expecting in semester.

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Your comes De the line of from Carlos Morgan next Stanley. question with Alba

Carlos de Alba

maybe question a have seen is don't dividend. your -- I back as I allocation. don't balance we good. In quite Ternium that the sheet So that my remarkable. the past, But to think capital of on elaborated special pay level coming But cash have think the is we was seen And before, before. it is

in dividends and dividend? said of capacity regular, with Do greenfield special implicit and/or quarters coal line the less sticks you Ternium Maximo, guys incremental like in pay a we more talked, I volumes of and in you sustainable progression you same utilization vein, just a Pesqueria up you see that changing? there about that tons doesn't the -- XXX,XXX U.S. roll specific And year. which see markets U.S.? mostly repeat, the half greenfield maybe may capacity be in Could Mexico getting an years? the to you there Pesqueria ramp capacity in into the the manufacturing to would but or maybe to think Americas? coming to confirm there number the on second in you regions more how Americas policy to new where potential do is within you so of when by going project, is more -- And are and back a then then elaborate finally, the maybe to see stick either you project And the like there could brownfield the directly M&A, focus, Are where the do will the or hot coming or

Maximo Vedoya

easy. new X, more strip hot strip much, start very a very Remember, you complex because yes, one. coil the of mill shipment Thank start mill, to are hot the I It's equipment. going first Again, is the June XXX,XXX with these tons of mill. Carlos. But Yes. hot last earlier. I our bit probably incremental said the strip little

ramp-up long curve. So the a ramp-up it's curve,

So that in also today. But products hot-rolled the for We from were going -- It's that fulfill sure. Mexico seeing that's to fulfill more countries last importing needs. are remember quarter. what coils to not to were all different we our produce the we it's yields importing in

mill we XXX,XXX And going ramp-up curve that. -- tons that if incrementally, to bit more and going could But the to with in it's range going produce this have products hot final the little a better. time. is this that lot the all is takes This a be you North are also strip of higher, one replace remember America. can that, So to doing sell and of comment, make we And the process for certification of all equipment, imagine. to provider

curve it start So the it's not producing starts producing. only -- just and you that ramp-up

in so question, know. mean, supplier of products. And the provider that takes against we time. Carlos. dividend, like don't know XXXX you our all you the I track I range But see think we make I all and policy and more to dividends, and for And except want at the equipment than I -- years. with that's of that. that term. answered a allocation lot pace. think yes, I that we our can when were And time different dividend think a record, the we that trying that products, long to produce that, see consistent. I these and Capital range the justified how or market the certifies have don't we what if making the You of I can giving or Americas. line of sustainable the adjustments Potential to was in We have continue increasing it finally, stopping be sure a and is of special with markets, didn't pay moving this in very you mean

the in in we the we now, not If analyze past, as the some doing and we the thinking focus X and to facility said U.S., includes X analyzed and Americas, options, honest. be have continents, going always had the yes, new are are but in on U.S., We an in this options, it operation to before we had U.S., Carlos. other the I

Carlos de Alba

just you the I may, more the Mexico or squeeze us Could slabs the or level or expect sending Ternium for less the another tell to I one. year? much you right. is and Excellent. All what if is to volume of now how Brazil that

Maximo Vedoya

at XXX,XXX around In of think that And level quarter, the tons. That's quarter around to that, exactly year. for next be I quarters. the the Yes. was going it's least first the last


Instructions] with next Our from Scotiabank. question Salazar comes Alfonso [Operator

Alfonso Salazar

elaborate energy view this Maximo on in Good I Hello. how reform, Day, below reforms, why the and several have the that very market, Pablo. your potential. more X can you year, per GDP it you local created if capital question is Mexico well the consumption reform, for rebound the information what Mexican like press is future? constructive Mexico, is we expect reform, the uncertainty have outsourcing in Gross the now. capita, see mentioned, is The and in years increase regarding low. been beyond the over because having on declining investments hydrocarbons as But should Because and the read we

the change why reform impact do of And the is this on results. also, you the comment reform in outsourcing and you can think energy your going when? and if So expected to

Maximo Vedoya

reform reform reform, don't Very cancel good was through. honest, Energy a mean, energy very and good to which the bad I I outsourcing. questions, the is me start to it going objective to with too. go it's is reform main the be very But think let and not labor the a reform.

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for seeing reform. in this not I'm So affection us any

anything I second of is question don't know answer first question. second I I with the -- The left the if that, question. also think

Alfonso Salazar

no, No, that's I fine. think no, Yes.

Maximo Vedoya

that after government again, what effects confident good helping we And kind are Mexico? the pandemic. spending in of are not the in right Why or the in doing numbers is of very you're the

going First base of Again, reshoring think that is continue happening. thing is a growing. all, is industrial to I

are the happening some are from these them China, most and base the U.S. seeing to North I and here. going day. U.S. these advantage, in American every to of in of has competitive market plants were are in production very a transshipments it coming supplying the Mexico. We And not of they go It's all Mexico strong that mean,

So this, and of Mexico means sometime government the concentrated they the it are next is in it's balanced low it's know grow I once needs debt or very the other very are I you situation. because But the infrastructure has know in part going high. have a a needs this next only. of the growing, financial very if huge, is and year, has to if infrastructure the And -- Mexico it. has in consumption first. don't very to that I English, following, the say continue to X in to going country the mean, And realize like the but going do the year others. -- of compared in projects are to of

so And in because of those take to a of X all those lot steel. things Mexico things going increase are consumption steel,

it's huge a why bill. or going don't But infrastructure is bill, that's is to not be question, near, the year hope answered huge grow. we I see a the X make near to think as Mexico next U.S. has years, future. I to Again, doing. Alfonso. going the So in Mexico I infrastructure next X in the

Alfonso Salazar

going -- this But yes. fast how yes. is we to I happen. on think can Yes, It's debate

Maximo Vedoya

the Yes, much think timing the I what sure. here. issue than is In in we seeing. to debate. faster reshoring, other But be are huge timing Yes, going the one, is the that the it's a


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Fabian Graimann

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Fabian Graimann

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Maximo Vedoya

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Fabian Graimann

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Fabian Graimann

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Pablo Brizzio

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Maximo Vedoya

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