TCPC BlackRock TCP Capital

Howard Levkowitz Chairman and CEO
Katie McGlynn Investor Relations
Rajneesh Vig President and Chief Operating Officer
Erik Cuellar Chief Financial Officer
Robert Dodd Raymond James
Finian O'Shea Wells Fargo
Ryan Lynch KBW
Devin Ryan JMP Securities
Christopher Nolan Ladenburg Thalmann
Derek Hewett Bank of America
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Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. Welcome everyone to the BlackRock TCP Capital Corp's Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference call is being recorded for replay purposes.

During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the Company's formal remarks. I McGlynn, to TCP Director Global Relations now, over the Capital And Investor Katie to of team. instructions] would turn like call Corp, [Operator the BlackRock proceed. please Katie,

Katie McGlynn

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Howard Levkowitz

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Rajneesh Vig

Howard. Thanks,

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Erik Cuellar

that. appreciate Raj, you, Thank

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Howard Levkowitz

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will this assemble pause [Operator we momentarily roster. to time, our Instructions] At

first question Raymond Robert with James. come go ahead. will Dodd Our Please from

Robert Dodd

that active activity, shifting more the come Quarter, decade Howard competition probably spreading Hi, consequence to with question. or would I the which obviously, year, on we've the gotten in Quarter competitively, obviously, a for extremely your Is good guys. assistance for results opportunities And years that a theme terms to or [indiscernible] both have [indiscernible] the help whatever very Second And Quarter say we're of you first I active general to of like future then Fourth this on the or space for endeavors that? active of that, [indiscernible] pre-COVID, thanks materially else on a amount last the the origination all Thanks any and the [indiscernible] dynamics, -- [indiscernible]? but to mean, back are. capital of seeing. can Second understanding than is luck us just there's of over Howard. Is in given anything a give

Howard Levkowitz

for Robert, you Sure. thank comments. your

well. I've truly enjoyed all, relationship of First the as

Raj Let further. it things brief respond then me and to say a over to turn I'll few

has somewhat Our activity been origination always lumpy.

opportunities some important a to being environments; have wide if -- all diverse, distinguished Clearly this I of helpful at our diversity that we've things the streams deal add that's think about platform that origination to of do Raj bad all in that's it it's we of industry-focused, markets, benefit probably for But We think has creates in of competitive think kinds specifically large little good bit and part of the the distinct we a you have the one also business. variety a markets, the things of But remember that that's seeing here origination platform able from flow been BlackRock. should in business. environments. I environment be today. that many we're are I would others generate

Rajneesh Vig

your thanks on competitive echo your say, I'd I it's Howard would And a more the Robert, the bit environment. is and Yeah. fact again comments. competitive let me touch to little just new. But appreciate not that

color. been, as up transactions to of Part been as our seems approach, I and level. compete to Part or the means more we've takes it for though opportunity to we're And your necessarily industry the different, move right to but from attracted platform fulsome a everyone important always provide for to provide point needs. at and isn't that And do that But -- important. Hopefully their more is a of broader though even been as The case given that to own, maybe it at all a the of need do what think can we really maintaining this taken be have that. the on small -- solution, about. and of a lender the that need returns you some not or as means the there it that club Quarter evidence in particularly ability you activity. can set. it's that ability to base. as or provider think do just people able given level a interest part for lead to I position that I up, that to doing to opportunity that an approach that velocity being laid do to I competition from a ongoing the the excited picked as capital if being an that is investment think set -- have it where people think be an of characteristic you well that's provides I Even quickly. to perhaps there's And being go overall good the ever of able this context solutions more view, the coming the well-positioned does that does important. having don't maybe able I -- good maybe fulsome have think out. was of And were, a sole positioned and result is solution end to deals more be improving

Robert Dodd

a follow -- lot if And than a to But can had typically maybe Howard's point. in others. up wider of I you've Understood. that funnel to

element vanilla you the to of all channel you Would a the to -- caveats just competition stay stays plain expect a it do of expect of add, you a more beyond lot from better flow term to just expect level your element with your portfolio utilize Raj, of if that to lending a expect deal? -- greater same? doing of etc. the Would differentiated things channels, vanilla you the flow cash rather lending, the come enhanced, those club You or than asset-backed, maybe Would do you differentiated cash lack

Rajneesh Vig

hard I to think say. it's

we I really -- think focus channel-agnostic. has our always know are been on we

because So the if that happens, we about industries believe cover I positioned we're themselves. do

the were business. repeat work early not pockets in the folks hard that of of work we at good ARR we when It's everyone do but with, we private we or The ones appropriate. have open those find of becomes We a that lot the that. value coverage arrive, ABL deals, We're to were And space. asset-backed mainstay. predict to equity, with. like that We then structures

want and smart of comes than on wider occurs advantage an and it rather wherever trying cognizant approaching think think, we risk lens we helpfully And I wherever basis. from. what take of industry what positioned very to concentration or a predict us the to predict to reward with should being take us to flow work let of go-forward enough -- for things advantage being funnel those be that, deal

Robert Dodd

I'm just you. appreciate good, Thank I that.

Howard Levkowitz

you. Thank


next will Fargo. Wells Our come question ahead. O'Shea from go Finian with Please

Finian O’Shea

one your Robert's there. Good BDC afternoon. on echo And on for comments on or the Hey, I'll congratulatory [Indiscernible], everyone. appreciate we'll first powered leadership the add

You in your we questions, really pioneering well lot first in so I'll of game channels look a driving parts alternative of managers, adapt. that's -- of And ask that. alternative race credit of think appreciate retail discussion the is be the or your of time? fundraising a will some move entering a now one to I into a couple believe really We and [Indiscernible] be couple origination, of growth BlackRock's were the at as that this of manager forth. couple back, up the into must and very competition. you Do peers that but view a also BlackRock your stepping stepping up wanted in the large this group really trying the should the on see fundraising are of in much fundraising sense, and I on the side large to to

Howard Levkowitz

vehicles. competition place public coming with business. to very new and and we're took are TCPC look who institutionally in was vehicles, they're an respect left for think it's vehicles, importantly us, private Fin, people vehicle it sources unregistered this institutional structure you in investment what to of back into those we've and respect institutional, of public, constantly private the thanks back we in. of to newer vehicles, The for more comments, with both of joining respect the proud a registered personally domestic, I With for we much done it's industry, something foreign, Different retail. investors, look the sources believe to when

your other BlackRock's the Obviously, as high by and push - channel questions -worth retail Asset people we Global comments think around of had size, or touch investors we're we always aspect and make TCPC, across over our provides respect think sure every for the time. different to looking we're try Manager it interesting. I right thing into net the doing and are With to investors a we'll investors, great for on X institutional, TCPC. those investors different individuals. And focused as sure in probably liquidity well we're things can have we opportunity right do with and to all as who product. for need channels, but for decades people our offering the different been that that daily now really get continue things in those who making And see us to

Finian O’Shea

I'll That's follow-up. do helpful and just a small

to if us gives on color exit able is both? post-quarter. I you related to equity or tell Are think Edmentum your Erik debt some or

Erik Cuellar

little faded You Sorry. Can that? you repeat a bit.

you asked the Edmentum about think I exit what was comprised exit and and of? the

Finian O’Shea

Yeah. for book? or Did of debt equity get you your out

Erik Cuellar

are -- equity and the It moment in at all at Quarter. was this X last equity point have the We since only invested

Rajneesh Vig

sells down was have be that equity we we -- equity, sponsors original -- the did of post point the that that in, refinanced. been to when Erik's we the time sheet was had to position. Yeah, in when balance we clear, just the transaction, only And came

Finian O’Shea

so all That's for Thanks Okay. much. me.


go with ahead. Please from will question next Ryan Lynch Our KBW. come

Ryan Lynch

years Howard, there, working enjoyed you best wishes. to or Good you, congratulations really Raj, the and I morning, just want congratulate and over give with promotion. you on I -- to

of believe income in Fin's investment. $X.X -- -- recurring income you regarding said And position, Should had non-recurring repeat Why that second did down amount to hold well the a sold a was a off from not you you item? or on it look up Why can did how expect you of about? of portion you was X/X full a guys your I of that size it how Edmentum? that, there? does [Indiscernible] comments to talk your on your from Edmentum, guys right that position, question down regarding then that future all? you we as exit did post-sale selling of in a just Following million you why choose quarter-over-quarter about Can not when X/X? just top come as

Erik Cuellar

address It is I'll we're a question preferred This Sure, equity and the is first. invested Erik, actually dividend a We equity as portion income. as -- recall, both address. a I'll recurring dividend that somewhat well. sell the recurring. in we elevated tranche then as Quarter was common down we last mentioned, But this but you dividend position. did And of income, you normalized more had level of equity a

Rajneesh Vig

me let And pick Yeah. up on that.

is business an at result investment obviously is in and position redeploy of mentioned, The the effort as obviously, work and Doing same -- not fully a to benefits normative believe, interest a nice as the a so work But so well-positioned. There's the sales, do speak, of business. a ongoing way It's positive time, a the to is work strategy. excited where to realize are wins business. philosophy. that the important take equity proceeds getting it at part do was more manage I sell-down, income. we profile to our those that this today. get into it a and it for are the here So of the really -- there Erik about we We and was think elevated of part valuations. into Being as owner normative sell-down been comes we for is as size. part nice benefit of those the of that can thing it run-up the valuation, I the position realized the lot still also to

institutional come have new who this part transaction. of well have investors as as in, You

a want be it growth to part want book but a take part partially of of to a success led chips as things of we balance us with is, off combination strategy success business. the some that core to an And the of also of with well-diversified the the is that as we position. be well ongoing So exit, what table, part a net that future and on managing basis, the the but diverse

Ryan Lynch

as Okay. of believe out correct, and quarter, more over find Understood. new deployment. that origination And you past new existing portfolio the came additional a year been have XX companies from into lot portfolio capital it then of like lenders I this is feels meaning your mentioned companies from came existing. direct If X they

and and but on versus draw know lot there of on portfolio this too want focusing commentary fluctuate I for I a was such many companies a on really you conclusions all because single-core again, love number your -- can You I'd portfolio deployment. why don't this new flipped hear things ones. companies to large Quarter trend to existing Quarter one new that

A –Howard Levkowitz

and don't give the for working for thanks you granularity well. going Quarter. enjoyed with to too also emphasize thanks initial which to have but would pay attention as more let I'm like Truly little you Raj your Ryan, a comments. is, follow-up, single your statement a bit much to

very datasets. in indicative companies, industries, fact a a simply of we've set relationship a robust is important it's well doing of part new that existing lots deal it's part been of for our lot the benefit the that of relationships number long-term with a and from Quarter, relationships of a we running benefit half. across over with of have continue a years of small these The a we our borrower our and now particular slightly existing trend, talked has view, different Quarter not there's flow. about significant of For fact to a business that This having

Rajneesh Vig

that or typify to usual quarter. but business. mean, consistency and would no mean that -- a We're [Indiscernible] period the trend. quarter-to-date quarter come the true. think we even And there reiterate has the our versus – single where over trend. I general existing the so, continue and And our the existing data year, commentary the a Howard's I third from highlight is in is that Forex, keep level that quarter of that the portfolio I going how of investment just is a you maturity model, or no have given I the in last a leads. activity and from that And year notes, portfolio would relationships to the seen portfolio. about think performance single to the point view itself as it's I with I a new indicative or just level really think the the Yeah. we self-generate expect past there reiterate that about just is at of I this of business existing have benefit mature more pipeline, message over

Erik Cuellar

end, post-quarter of of to I'll And we've X add we done $XX just the activity and X little in Ryan, X of existing million on mentioned a deals those companies. bit excess color portfolio were

Ryan Lynch

make trend appreciate And the Okay. doesn't things probably but are it going but totally today. bit was Those reverted time that back Understood, like sounds questions. it one unusual, to I quarter forward. yes. a a the I all understand just little my normal

A –Howard Levkowitz

Thank you.


next Our question come JMP go ahead. Please from Securities. will with Ryan Devin

Rajneesh Vig



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Ladenburg Thalmann. with come will Christopher from question Please next ahead. Nolan go Our

Christopher Nolan

other I you your you act on And and Howard, say to going Phil, congratulate Raj, the congratulations will missed. Erik, to definitely is to of class are promotions. a world want move. to of there on shifting sort you we've and Raj, terms I be new before? in And be BDC groups than industry want seen what strategy in any types the of to

Rajneesh Vig

level. say high I not really. No, at a would

asset XXXX great we're like times collateral not for on question dynamic. your focusing to anticipate very business invest little more the strategy, there Certainly, answer opportunities that We I very are open that in are was believe come often we we defensive. a open typically think timeframe in and base where but in where a But they business I and what to in about that it. what -- perhaps is always succinct see than what change don't to opportunities businesses mitigating big more experience we cyclical to would being see a we're a to way, we've alhough had Occasionally, good we from. good works. I more be we validating the do date focus

Christopher Nolan

you that more price make down a given but you're that race. able is and guess Are compete on bond terms it especially I attractively cost And up to as on latest follow-up, to finding conditions? your better with that capital going

Rajneesh Vig

decisions. honest, investment outcome good may financing from that's cost underwriting a We an our it look a we to work capacity where the but unlevered risk. the is at may are an creating really be perceived want that think activity our work decisions, And versus the financing -- side when the more bifurcating portfolio We on of to to not financing I of or otherwise. lower on the investment or investing basis capital for management level make we then the

we it's investment something from it's but about, would that viewpoint be opportunistic that I decision. keep think I will separate the

Christopher Nolan

you, All all right. congratulations Thank of and to guys. you

A –Howard Levkowitz

your thank Chris, appreciate really comments. and you,


of Derek next Bank America. Our go Hewett with ahead. Please from come question will

Derek Hewett

I your to Raj, retirement morning, your new Good on also roles. congratulate pending [Indiscernible], Erik then everyone. on Howard want also and and

been platform. X now So on BlackRock about it's years the

And we current percentage ago? what with maybe X kind opportunities the So is co-investment at point? could maybe, portfolio of it BKCC to this compare of year

Rajneesh Vig

mind was, but our say order. that be BKCC sorry, the We in -- we function of -- the will order. logically, that? of so it percentage. would today, is that definition, from to your has don't started percentage I'm requirements of But disclose second a keep I the higher of activity under you By overlap, part a day just the question been can repeat obviously the co-investment

Derek Hewett

answered. year ago, already you Just think comparing I it but one from

Rajneesh Vig

disclosures, year want by to our make the going going I wouldn't think being that ago, higher, clearly of a back don't back I again, comment. transaction, beginning constrained to

A –Howard Levkowitz

years. is we had over Raj XX Derek, have and which is thing relief add exemptive saying, onto for let me what one just

there entities. certainly a were being way various we So that to had of benefit across a long long we clearly and of vehicles before were But our in we very able that. functioned propper do being the lot a have and public, in investing and before became time of BlackRock part long of was BlackRock opportunities for TCPC part since

different. but it's or is expanded, nothing not new, this new So

Derek Hewett

Okay. Great. Thank you.

A –Howard Levkowitz

Thank you. And thank you for your comments at the beginning as well.


question [Operator Please JMP Instruction] Ryan will with go Devin come next ahead. Our Securities. from

Devin Ryan

so afternoon, more wishes working strategy, the everyone, Good again, looking Great. And forward best of future continuity congratulations. to to Great you. yet with Raj, the endeavors. on Howard, see and

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Rajneesh Vig

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Devin Ryan

you. Okay, terrific. then thank a follow-up. And Great color,

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Rajneesh Vig

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Devin Ryan

Terrific. Okay. thanks so much. it I'll leave there,

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