SAR Saratoga Investment

Chris Oberbeck Chairman, Chief Executive Officer
Michael Grisius President, Chief Investment Officer
Henri Steenkamp Chief Financial Officer, Chief Compliance Officer
Mickey Schleien Ladenburg Thalmann
Casey Alexander Compass Point
Tim Hayes B. Riley
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Good morning ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Saratoga Investment Corp’s fiscal third quarter 2019 financial results conference call. Please note that today’s call is being recorded.

During today’s presentation, all parties will be in a listen-only mode.

we the remarks, for prepared management’s will line open questions. Following Mr. to time, Chief call Officer, I this turn Financial would Compliance Corp’s At Investment like the Saratoga over and to Henri Steenkamp. Sir, ahead. please go

Henri Steenkamp

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Chris Oberbeck

Thank everyone. you, and Henri, welcome

to implemented we quarter actions improve strengthen from benefited last we quarter, our and This capitalization.

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Henri Steenkamp

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Michael Grisius

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Chris Oberbeck

you, Mike. Thank

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[Operator instructions] Our Schleien question Mickey comes with Ladenburg. first from

open. line is Your now

Mickey Schleien

the the everyone. in and the good prices to I’m distressed Yes, curious the advantage were an at effect. pull deals and the buy you had remarks, you perhaps syndicated you seen months. prepared whether some of of couple that morning thought to to par opportunity capture volatility to markets alluded we’ve interesting, some In take volatility last of

Chris Oberbeck

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Michael Grisius

our But - so less less much portfolio, in so.

Chris Oberbeck

primarily the base CLO, I’m in and Yes, speaking our portfolio I it think hasn’t. BDC in

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Michael Grisius

have way. to and opportunities. opportunity in past that an outside add the to eyes that anything for anything those good, not the opportunistic outside we was felt our a did we We see invest in CLO done also always that CLO. didn’t term open our shareholders presented in But We’ve to the long that, Mickey,

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Mickey Schleien

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Henri Steenkamp

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Michael Grisius

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Mickey Schleien

as some little Easy providers risk bring bit? your of selling your of to profile you other into manage in perhaps capital Ice, order position would a them in to Mike, you simultaneously consider

Michael Grisius

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created of we’ve here. management a created--we I think and have value lot

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Chris Oberbeck

and current think so we’ve and larger company had proves optimize EBITDA and was chances at the our company most our acquisitions as was earnings, mentioned think, we’re and acquisition more it smaller, to as taken Mike originated past, quality to than improve. we place and it Easy to different before double-digit and out grown smaller so to and sustainability was financial earlier, it was it I through the that, have together, as add in structure Mickey, Mike credit is The Ice leverage said, those ability going attractive to to when recent structure. substantially the the now company’s is when put rates started it gets structure we going capital and this have of this in capital first do a very place a

so focus long-term Our that assets accretive, capital assemble acquisitions to as has and optimize the of are work where we is structure and and our focus high the to accomplish highly some well. near been that’s will

Mickey Schleien

So in EBITDA, meaningful into protection Chris, also any gets your said, words, just Do as have the refinancing be them? Easy other risk increasing; in double-digit call to your Ice capital. may more to presumably loans you as have might they company access

Chris Oberbeck

protection in all call have we Yes, loans. our of

business business, is clearly very the the capital the much rooted highly plan. the We’re of involved so in structure optimizing company in

relatively is capital junior. Our

helped plan, very company’s going our those PIC I forward. think have we of us growth our the supportive and characteristic maintain so should characteristics of think capital is the position

Michael Grisius

don’t near credit term have add lot being Mickey, to. risk into that, of a be risk And confident it’s of because to good We unless respect. very don’t to very feel any that to a just chose clear, just in that see we question, we we refinanced

Mickey Schleien

last most My in at of on I’m reset? XX% impact could from Could the probably understand. it is attractive you the in with market. expect and switching reset with question, noticed on of CLO, which move the upsizing quarter, it I meaningfully spreads. assuming What gears, of debt more forward? going yield sort we refinanced number line estimated the recent I the in based terms came down the the that to the

Henri Steenkamp

is this Mickey, Henri.

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Mickey Schleien

thank for Understood, everyone. That’s new happy time and to me appreciate morning. year you your for it all I that this comment.

Chris Oberbeck

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Casey Alexander

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Michael Grisius

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Casey Alexander

you. Okay, thank

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Chris Oberbeck

quarter A couple reflective liquidity. total so a that not the of things is assets do repayments and front. the We absolute level at that of necessarily occur, on have end

have a have essentially facility that available. our the We in full pike things we coming down Madison couple

terms of-- In

Casey Alexander

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Chris Oberbeck

the have markets. ability to--we but Obviously have do bouncing the do increase but we a to access to do we equity No, the have we capital our have amount, we access marketplace on to bond side around have--so know, fair and the facilities. access baby is debt you the

Henri Steenkamp

of, my in I successfully we have repaid right quarter guess, bond programs added our remarks baby noted if $XX million additional been that end, increase open very just said, quarter I now to to that’s liquidity. as Casey, is Then we Chris and after wanted subsequent HMN Yes, so end. liquidity that’s

Casey Alexander

All Thanks right, okay. very much. great. Great,

Chris Oberbeck

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Tim Hayes

for you Hey, my Thank good questions. taking guys. morning

question the Casey’s Chris, Just to upsize off the have last think piggybacking quickly you ability you there, that facility, Madison I mentioned facility.

that haven’t other entering Just facility, with but your wondering any with know any really talks and that it if any I to other Madison on counterparties know, much upsize drawn now, or about conversations been--you been on into new you there’s there’s part if if credit in appetite you’ve facilities.

Chris Oberbeck

relationship facility Let for - me with longstanding a very been obviously important us. way this just we have say and and a flexible Madison it that’s

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Tim Hayes

shutdown much like believe? and ball you Do been timing how government up, have Got more pace, at the you back potential its what does recently? do it, know approval, don’t any own okay. clarity I you a crystal into SBA things and have the around have but moves discussions

Chris Oberbeck

number a in but in down resolved much. different there’s making progress of things don’t administration soon, at focus believe the hope that SBA of we’re down overall works perspective like again, moving. progress. them. and own really the we’re SBA, is government at and of will an with this be feel want shutdown, with forward the There that change area at making Obviously we some a is working they forward there the where Well our to we its The pace. aren’t SBA, are--and speculate and we’re very Washington we that terms from We progress

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Tim Hayes

or early then that? the repay Appreciate there. you prepayment one repayment you and comments investment of in Would able the Okay, quarter quantify an OID early that I I in after fees realized repayment, repayment got be had the amount to quarter it. think just had big said you said also end, think but well. as quarter how Henri, you accelerated was the you you from

Henri Steenkamp

investment, not was new a technically of it a Because it had the because of part the so just repayment repayment or actually investment, as Noland restructuring Noland. perspective. that accounting also it our a was technically from on Noland a just was investment a any purposes. from regarded was just we actually There restructuring was repayment accounting an the took exit the of it for a of of our changed, in but was QX, full accounting it repayment perspective place, in investment an a of Yes, [ph] portion origination effectively instrument

Tim Hayes

the my taking for questions. Thanks in back hop will I understood. Okay, queue.

Chris Oberbeck

Thank you.


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Chris Oberbeck

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