SAR Saratoga Investment

Henri Steenkamp Chief Financial Officer, Chief Compliance Officer, Treasurer and Secretary
Chris Oberbeck Chief Executive Officer
Mike Grisius President & Chief Investment Officer
Mickey Schleien Ladenburg Thalmann Financial Services Inc.
Timothy Hayes B. Riley FBR, Inc.
Christopher Testa National Securities Corporation
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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Saratoga Investment Corp's Fiscal Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2019 Financial Results Conference Call. Please note that today's call is being recorded.

During today's presentation all parties will be in a listen-only mode.

we the remarks, for prepared management's will line open questions. Following Mr. to time, Chief call Officer, I this turn Financial would Compliance Corp's At Investment like the Saratoga over and to Henri Steenkamp. Sir, ahead. please go

Henri Steenkamp

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Chris Oberbeck

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Henri Steenkamp

Chris. Thank you,

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Chris Oberbeck

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Mickey Schleien

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Mickey Schleien

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Mickey Schleien

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Mike Grisius

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Mickey Schleien

I appreciate that.

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Mickey Schleien

helpful, That's Mike. morning. time your I really this appreciate all Thank you.

Mike Grisius

Thanks, Mickey.


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Timothy Hayes

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Mike Grisius

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Timothy Hayes

update on I give repayments No. be those appreciate an as well. willing quarter? to Yeah. you so Would comments far this

Mike Grisius

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Henri Steenkamp


prepared I obviously quickly - think, just Mike's a Tim, is a is imminently. in also I our things add would deal change business. closing deal remarks noted imminently

relevant about of of the repaying. what's relationships to But to and like day basis So and to not the that, but at there's new so and guys time growth very is key noted what grow same ours. new it's long-term closing which to portfolio from companies Mike to some of try what's the continuing color, sort many try be day give we projecting sort you by moving parts extra

Timothy Hayes

historical quarter completely then comment I'll be too loans consistent so Yeah. levels? The with much to can just those pipeline, largely you've us leverage of are extra fair they so in just the try sponsor of That's ratio greedy here. versus give not those far of multiples deals idea and and And the senior? of the is closed appreciated, - non-sponsored, this an are you comments range how

Mike Grisius

consistent levels. with Largely historical

Timothy Hayes


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Timothy Hayes

makes That No. sense. definitely That sense. makes Yeah.

for more one follow-up me. And Okay.

looking Just SBIC on an second for update the license.

have I updated the I'm pick just their the at Following past, seen at have if you BDC works but an pace, license We've but know up. back seen the you for shutdown - mind? timing in get SBA own approval just approvals wondering least other one in

Chris Oberbeck

Chris, Tim. is This

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to where have performance there do. We I the more to and things that, And ultimately a fewer need confidence is There's and performances all the we're BDC as been that the timing do subject we're license been certainly relative one then and hopeful SBICs respond But and - past, are doing better think think some had time of out, issuing our they'll licenses. period how you and they the new and continue of the issued. certainly that I industry that to performing start we're so licenses all that think things. really strong we submit, I history than - has hopeful, we mean, that, point think to certainly have I recent have that should our we precise of lot weight.

Timothy Hayes

it. Got

Okay. Well, questions thanks for taking my this morning.

Chris Oberbeck

Thank you.


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Christopher Testa

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that will be basis, wondering on if the case. forward go Just a

Henri Steenkamp


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Christopher Testa

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Chris Oberbeck

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Christopher Testa

any remind guidance And given sort a you target, fair. give you guys did coverage? topic of the please of have me, the leverage sticking That's reduce to on leverage, asset No. Okay. just

Henri Steenkamp

comfortable the returns his said that haven't we that assessment specific where we assess We've that play in the feel we in obviously we're and given guidance. the assess sort part then change on a guidance. we Chris, we the that at Mike any we said as moment. would level risk-adjusted given - close the investments remarks, and No. deals of in well. But haven't with And leverage, as of we as

Christopher Testa

on fishing basis, above the that, Henri, much is Without a to could assume too it obviously reasonable to that you one one excluding go regulatory on SBIC?

Henri Steenkamp

yes. possibility, a be could that Yes,

Christopher Testa

amount great. right, company that, peers on given lot debt and much of couldn't raised you And hit out significant your and who of private a have so All have boat just it water, wondering, with basically like of guys kudos fall success seems had a Okay. a the funds.

move community sponsor funds wondering as the on and grow raising more you there continue Just provide is forward to private sizes to bigger provide you thoughts ticket of guys if to and any certainty more some out? close debt

Chris Oberbeck

clearly, funds. attractive I of a standpoint Well, array have think, it's a broader to from franchise

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Christopher Testa

necessarily pro [ph] just a should if to at I firm] larger debt that million million I you'll - example, phrased AUM, Chris. And you write ticket, exposure exposure gets then have there. I loans have to appreciate it borrower, was going that and $X.X had not $X.X making it. say [sister when but Got let's SAR say And splits the rata, and differently, only it certainly private for maybe same a with $XX a million you

you're just enhancing So your diversification.

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think So be the I that would more benefit. of

Chris Oberbeck

in Right, the would view, we but much grow we our we assets that type to those I was would rather investment. at And very goal. doing similar along our achieve a still of twice lines, size BDC if think have that to the level substantially, assets be were same

what to described. you So start assets as we achieve just our grow,

Christopher Testa

Got it.

Okay, prepayment quarter? that's during And fair. what was the income related the

Henri Steenkamp

sorry. I'm

Chris, question, the repeat Just income? the what

Christopher Testa

both the the in and fees related quarter, OID prepayment income acceleration? What was

Henri Steenkamp

- couple couple had repayment a we had pretty had we big a Yeah, while - quarter. a

early $XX-odd-million obviously repayments. repayments our included of that's the in a of So couple were we that loans had

And associated there with those. penalties prepayment are so,

through the that so, would And line. flow other income

Christopher Testa

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time Those that's my I today, are all fair. appreciate your Okay, questions. guys.

Chris Oberbeck

you. Thank

Henri Steenkamp

Chris. Thanks,


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Chris Oberbeck

us forward everyone look joining thank to with And speaking for like we We'd next Okay. to you today. quarter.