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SAR Saratoga Investment

Participants
Henri Steenkamp Chief Financial Officer, Chief Compliance Officer, Treasurer and Secretary
Chris Oberbeck Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer and President
Mike Grisius Chief Investment Officer
Bryce Rowe Hovde Group
Casey Alexander Compass Point
Robert Dodd Raymond James
Mickey Schleien Ladenburg Thalmann
Sarkis Sherbetchyan B. Riley Securities
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Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Saratoga Investment Corporation's Fiscal Second Quarter 2022 Financial Results Conference Call. Please note that today's call is being recorded.

During today's presentation, all parties will be in a listen-only mode.

we the remarks, for prepared management's will line open questions. Following Mr. to time, Chief call Officer, I this turn Financial would Compliance Corporation's At Investment like the Saratoga over and to Henri Steenkamp. Sir, ahead. please go

Henri Steenkamp

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Chris Oberbeck

Thank everyone. you, And Henri. welcome

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Chris Oberbeck

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Mike Grisius

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Chris Oberbeck

Thank you, Mike.

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Operator

[Operator Instructions].

of from Rowe line Hovde. comes question the with Bryce First

Bryce Rowe

wanted maybe with Mike I start to Chris. or either

activity here move then, effect? describe repayment are potential in tax adjective that kind quarter the we robust record as with And You've we here you you've calendar changes against the two obviously any an the already and origination August you the highlighted described as activity do here record of in and as on as describing perspective kind the all law used the last and that near we the robust fourth of it over to quarter quarters How pipeline? from XXXX, juxtapose taking as pipeline and into repayment lumpy. activity the had thoughts

Chris Oberbeck

and start on it with then to I'll pass Mike. that I'll

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Mike Grisius

on me Let that. expound

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Bryce Rowe

into segue question. my follow-up Nice

quarter, last remarks. one-off preferred in statements, you highlighted And financial income think a your prepared carved dividend I the of standalone here the is. all investments and out equity then in couple you've what

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Henri Steenkamp

that three nature that off that receiving We was quarter had me preferred actually investments was Let and income. equity question. dividend in on start last

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Chris Oberbeck

And add let Bryce. that, to me

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Operator

Compass Casey from comes from of questions Next Alexander the Point. line

Casey Alexander

questions. I have particularly couple Nothing a frankly. compelling,

the not on of Saratoga in credit historically reliance quarters. seven this on last Henri, for Madison all, of had of a probably facility. as fact, the First had balance And credit is matter it's has much the eight facility, a new Capital zero

So, as credit I'm to you fee. curious the facility, credit minimum some draws the why on new non-use agreed on to form of opposed facility

Henri Steenkamp

needs it intra Firstly, cash either used times timing during the sort the years, periods as you although we, that we've or couple at there used quarter we've quarter of have this for had. differences have flow past note, where over minimally of been

necessarily BDCs an sort has drawn. wonderful aside, like this But relationship ability and I the fee the is in draw that guess, SEC away because a credit it of, not facility appear use to the had with of of had all to just increase of of sort undrawn we this rules. over it whatever it with facility, thought still fee week makes of opportunity in at see we a opportunity – There us. an have the a we on There the on balance draw, of the to, the to where of the We potentially of sheet. been come years, little most as drawn time, have that invest you'll it's is more us putting the associated later minimum looking down I for obviously, is with substantially but a that So, will as a than capital Obviously, Madison here to actually at go cost a would on as but the for quite think new portion bring the time us point opportunity credit facility, cost minimal. increase still undrawn drawn still it, most will an use lower and it's the a it, required return out sense the sort usage of allows X-K capital view it. the facility with

Chris Oberbeck

of we draws importantly, mentioned are weigh that structure, covenants safest, on rate also show know, quarterly could fixed maybe type of there just type I I the been But no we those up statements. term, well, Henri mostly have if financings, in think at a on don't looking as Casey, our lot have things. financial this long think bond capital as which our very you that and

bit. However, a changes then the those are those fairly chunky and market for

a commitments still robust swing that commitments lot of forward don't we be making we moment, place. a can hand making have we line cash at necessarily like have we comfortable know if and because this in have on and pipeline So, we're we

run our And payments we and that so, the impact have to allows would always liquidity. of large us balances negatively. it a cash lot drawn without earnings interest But

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bank. very are It's They just kind to not some a the market they have comfortable what is. not a non-bank nonetheless, with drawn. of So, facilities. are that's largely most is in like draw. undrawn banks And of facilities, them interested large they Encina level facility. But

think were kind more I benefits a were I so side facility non-market importantly, that think we carries plus we forward able with of life. that this of the from Madison the very facility had Again, draw was many facility. we've have to of that fortunate our minimum

very comfortable So, this this and facility new with new we're very, all relationship.

Casey Alexander

by My feel the Mike, private the were were some If transaction? you give driven Passageways sale? some put guys were next question about. going for driver you is from that how Mike. or around you us that you sponsor brackets can Was just just along that equity guys and came can

Mike Grisius

minority We sell were equity of benefited sponsor offer we group and a business it. very investor with. private a in they a from all we support to compelling And that a got have the relationship good very

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Casey Alexander

more for Mike. One you, question

a in this years was You're twice working the balance for increasing help some to us you three balance ago. have scale? way with sheet challenges the of a your sponsors sort the investments what And it investing size Can of keep does give size feel of it that's entry funded of to a you as from new into increase size? these fully in sheet

Mike Grisius

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can actually You get real covenants.

we of kind We've so, check million sizes initially really off many greater had we sticking to we're our know benefit it investments investment And and the started ones it grown, of the the have as performing capital. our of to our small, is support we've them more $XX to are of capacity that expand well, sheets the balance box. knitting. then, you confidence less even best especially well, after of well, than company And having fairly out with done some see if the

intend to that. we to continue do So,

take to are have recently, relates courting them. these new a get time know it relationship. of quite that and As can another same relationships new way for just week last them. the for closed a tell these And been instance, folks bit you, really that would they in the We've fact, with of the well, in way three the much that the with court better similar deal And to reputationally group years. kind be won about that understood gotten I to just we us. terms. relationships, feel they we like group in because to better deal business and same them Know very basically And and deal, was pricing other lending we know exactly felt were than partners we

continue the that to marketplace going in we're in So, to play manner.

we've gotten take can larger bigger, on certainly, check sizes. As we

as our that's So, helpful base equity well. we've as expanded

terms as believe up bring how people we much to underwrite. know of quality And We culture ranks, and anybody, balance and underwriting as in not we terms larger very if of bodies apprenticeship it share in we've sheet, best business. view in add we've in the so and we credit as the marketplace. the junior continued people, can a that good invested our an where what In an managing we've substantial got resources

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Chris Oberbeck

to others, for including and solve need lead syndicating able of more early to commit allows out underwriting point other balance deals one to much being our to marketplace. and Just in where can be we better larger the also our commitment that. larger more that they can In things and sheet a to be where, actually look that a of and tranches there's much sponsors maybe sizable this we can problems to we lot pieces is equity words, us pieces, like

– as some our of maybe some situations. stretching of much used some clients of their scratchier makes to, and to as our not relationships it we're we serve So, in us

Casey Alexander

the at Michael, thank to in new breaking that new with you made sponsor a know one least investment for a news. now quarter. company new portfolio you've We

us news there. breaking for thanks So for

Operator

line Robert Next of Dodd question comes from James. from the Raymond

Robert Dodd

the Congrats appreciation questions. of on to my And two theme quarter. following I'd there. on like Kind express Casey

liability origination the side, well. the then on on side as First the asset

market in seasonally Given having – September origination seasonally quarter, robust. the activity you've color seems necessarily quarter though with fourth – not and given relatively slow a quarter last extremely this fiscal, the quarter second to the platform highest even be ever, an of in activity, year-end, What calendar, represent here probability for exact is the this QX, I'm you would going would history? looking example, highest this for you probability is Saratoga say not What calendar the number. level origination – the to

Chris Oberbeck

a for Our the to in origination tough thought own I answer. fourth thing quarter, that's us

over to outpace sort our payoffs ability in The what term. our said long from benefiting say the can where market, relationships don't changing. I feel think that we impossible I very earlier it new things I in of of to is But that confident see terms robust quarter we don't for comes exactly is out either. the a say. see invested benefiting in, from we And that changing that we've that

things trying we're on one would say we I about we the returns. that would quarter. of the many outcome, focused then as is think in thing after right we as can, the our after think never is to opportunities find laser just a volumes and go shareholders remain in favorable. marketplace adjusted The outcome offer the terms is going I to think And to to that try quality the ones that going want us but risk

but well to respect, in that things those are it's So, lined impossible really. say, up

Henri Steenkamp

well And add on just have years. growing We've very that, and the said, had quarter in could Mike But the roll a right. can organization, I And consistent the our in if be as of over I we given Chris, we're been there is past. we're to be up in many variations just there it. records a setbacks trendline to very I I any we're because as think can than growth think growing and that as setting a lot organization. many, larger think quarters growing

trajectory think of but about is we're our based We different But we've number want one, setting statements, records on make our sort any focusing in number forward-looking metrics, don't our history. course, confident trajectory in our two. So areas. quality, our and growth equity on I earlier, again, to return very what on of key many close talked credit

losing focused profitable And on robust levels growth. declining we're at even too. are deals in participate we're So, very we because certain to these markets,

So, there's a to want play. of on to judgments we going little that too, as where we want bit us and play making to how

Robert Dodd

kind your happen. the warning On much – shrink notice in a Obviously, second environment? the can things repayments obviously of part, Does more partners, you and growth, about there's active repayment? the you would of environment, to activity, say highly period, in this quicker how kind the it this get net

not there kind that a your – market of there? great, environment? in kind that it's Or your is is there does and on does it ever kind wide, of visibility even So, on any how any worse this dynamic that's that's repayments, get color criticism, not that of

Chris Oberbeck

to a offer in hard generalize. real they a processes, go want and you lot it's other negotiated a until then, a it's into periods situation process, they Everyone lot of that sometimes then think about There's is ones really a and and of don't they interest and over – they've more talk to visibility. live, and And time companies of done. lot and it had specific. get I get basically

of kind spectrum. So, a there's

period we've a we're Friday, got in that. like, into process the next and bank year, an going times, off of out thinking and of it's a we've find and half short feedback got updates to we're lot time other paying of on we on going sell and first in we're a investment we're Sometimes

between. situations of So, there's may then, of a – the pieces be sort in lot lot sides the – a of it's extreme. different those of And two

Henri Steenkamp

that said Chris say that I'd all true. is absolutely

if probably On your in run by to they're accurate. like point going even process. you'll in people fact driven that somebody a a process, see mostly margin, feels preempt it's And the is robust the markets,

payoff. be So, it's you might six a that think something for out months

a aggressive. But than the And know really get you at will otherwise. selling they're that's it, people Some the lot before business sooner margin.

Chris very deal out, it's much as think pointed I specific.

have don't you sometimes, And it's of a out. of times, a that And lot quite knows ways kind forewarning. other you

Robert Dodd

question. like the things, some would the you cases, of of part the remain into In Because it next I'm incumbent even I sure if appreciate ties lender to equity one that. transaction. there's to an these

credit, lender these have, like of is a market where imagine you've relationships to of an repayment, incumbent credit. would lower higher, got lender oftentimes good If one you It's to the probability you transactions expand I the In just would remaining active just matter? number of the an or you lot there's doesn't [indiscernible]. of remain as that a in

Henri Steenkamp

bigger. Once capital to harder stay for the certainly it company and see they're a we It's significantly, control there a lot higher upon just before. our transaction of could because a grown credit us is the now is for that change looking had than more was sheet time, in balance

for we afford So, round, say, balance business, sheet, investors. we that opportunity a now in us an partnership larger you we'd that to presents us have correctly with XXX% like your or as raise know hands opportunity get pointed next ourselves somebody. to really it this support to the out, does and like go that it to additional either And

So, well. that benefit it as has

do. so, it's in circumstances, that is try something yes, to we much right the there And that opportunity, very

Robert Dodd

the fees, cetera, Madison. XX basis the of Obviously, terms of et one floor an north with improvement is in the secured in points cetera, X%. Encina terms can, credit of If effectively last all the X%, facility all non-use like the probably actually, on more L I sounds et liability facility plus in, side. But kind buying with on cost, the

seeing you probably lend borrow the is, willing is? grade secured think cheaper – question. to trading. what can you market are the given Encina incrementally One, components to today, are X% heavy? in the that just tied You guy with the little that sub consideration And given at that gap cash those was question, to information I other unsecured the is are other? than institutional institutional or missing your a What's think what running there groups relative investment do to where bonds unsecured not Two a you'd each two guess a and respect the then, to running revolver all just

Chris Oberbeck

Well, I a think couple things.

heavy on We that. now right top are cash of

there's I works. What just a way lot facility we business it is importantly, little talked about of other flexibility. a questions. one our variability But on a of So, credit we because earlier from get the of think revolving the

whatever had make necessarily a time flexible bond variable. want it's some we part fixed time, in this you've bonds, bonds want the more is market We got is swing approach period a issue fixed raise terms. some more that right, a costs being credit of say, don't moment we to And million in us to have us along. bridge or to to if draw in. time over flexible our we've a it's we So, flexibility. and a at given we're something bonds, raise if it The amount – very marketplace to we've This It's interested it able of got all we've help having business. lot that $XX to with time, with it. us fixed – mindset goes a of draw and want not to something do million optimally have we of know. of line a we got we've and whole point commitments you And cash gives $XX of can decide gives reason to that It approach of to let's position, and of got

undrawn the able XXXX. bond flexibility number revolver a business fund and deals. of to XXXX, a bond, on lot deals. last I in to we were when problems there our We in big had the draw of to hadn't was that enter back could year, did of to had of those and the to issue that revolver been of think going us marketplace, in spring if conversations issue result a with June lot an have we that done a able we we allowed But

there's us So, cash allows we to that component flexibility think heavy. than and our better a running do business

Henri Steenkamp

extremely much structure are is our Whether a Robert, been originating building obviously, The I capital also whether this of facilities and just normal to is the lender. a we cost. bank is for this the bank always And with the structure than lender's at lenders sort prioritize cetera, very of a better cost. above assets what would structure important a non-bank add base we And Saratoga. et flexible, BDC, have to that, us Obviously, this is. structure, or is we're at comes borrowing structure more lender. non-bank than recourse that different us, beneficial, But higher facility structures.

Operator

next comes Schleien question Mickey from from Ladenburg. the Your of line

Mickey Schleien

the lot opportunity A do to which good of loan just have to wanted first market and or follow up see investments on a difficult pieces portfolio tightened? perhaps asked. in And have is lien help spreads more how an opportunity second out been sell deals? tranche support view could considering the I unit questions yield, tranche how high investment first liens you you of How for unit question. already level do

Mike Grisius

unit the opportunity think Mickey, tranche quite I is robust.

lien be And a tranche somebody first many is change it would marketplace used if will, structure of vis-à-vis done might in the and of the was where bifurcated mezz as kind of many unit of that with or more market deals that bank for first really lien the dominant we unsecured do. many capital a security time, tranche, I middle in then came deals were done. were And supporting lien probably with to first control over fact, categorize companies that this, aware either there lien. you do, transactions. a deals In lender Unit second you're

capital of really see there's you to good And think opportunities to we to we what do deploy in what so, and intend portfolio our it's there. and continue most that's some

wide we're certainly the and We a second right us lien we to for available open those also than have to circumstance. one is market lien dollar do second for higher in bar opportunities the risk. Now,

kind don't be expect big of investments change or there. first been what in And past. with it's a see so, second we We tranche the lien the unit of lien would mix would that versus consistent

a to that of opportunity our something with of able folks is deal, our something it interest lien us, it security might a that if we're well. underwrite, position but first but an maybe of optimizing kind to to, being hasn't piece an as positions, to in do that in open position core as cases, and over terms for our even a have that where been it's relates Now, we're a some and returns, we down have part intent of is develop we selling to in how partnerships certainly full in is time

Mickey Schleien

follow work up to comment, last messy. sell in on to deals those your to up is given still Mike, usually this of with sort out end it's at the just up and a pieces, folks you this that first borrowing time out kind Or are are progress? you set do the like Otherwise, already something of secured funded?

Mike Grisius

good question. It's a

we're where deals simultaneously, doing doing a actively closing been structure. last have out, it, first our, call we're let's We where

So, if years. it's of that a that for unit will. you done a And waterfall, number tranche those has we've

Mickey Schleien

attracted the Palace of in food be quirky can risks performance. sort retailers of They underwrite. typically curious to terms of what to general offset you that hard their Pepper to sector? are But Mike,

Mike Grisius

you the private get before we're of I question. that companies good and And control the course, are a even It's detail, here. remind into owner not of I will, these some

went what We, share. that with on, these we're eyes amount business a just really certain into that result, have a can So, and as But limited our there's businesses this aware open you well commented wide we say some this, what model. interesting of – our I'd can of in convinced became terms of a underwriting of volatility. is

on many their and advantageous the kind can some has add of they if volatility that underperform, And structures can This they're some tied into business they really to of in obligations. say One of our underwriting businesses, experience structure. they're that, structures respect. saddled I things that with can that of good lease those a locations trouble in is where deal those where take of capital into the is get

these one amount the how that flexibility in a they the money less of And on leases. terms and of so, structure of is their Their have it they terms that capital fantastic open of that. just lot there's return of in to takes

structural reasons, volatility doesn't to So, we other those well market as in bright became terms element that and that ownership we the group, is comfortable feel can those have a knowledgeable just models, has we in think it's like variety this that features. one the quite relates think, its and to as we it its performance business business a business of quite of position future. that for a investing add And and

Mickey Schleien

estimated of of More last Henri. housekeeping bit CLO, that the more a of noticed strong I the a on is the you question. comments given perhaps on Interesting One are for in little how and terms counterintuitive, question lowered things yield leases. fundamentals which defaults nature.

So, on any insight what's that us can into there? going you give

Henri Steenkamp

your other balance say the driver you specific quarter, probably stayed I And and quarter-over-quarter. from probably interest valuation, interest portion change biggest then it the the unchanged distribution, the output increased the that of and you the And interest the quarter's from function relatively than our was projected. how the larger valuation of you got prior – rates that nothing Mickey, will. or I principal then, receiving obviously, would would cost And the just is a during a as know, increases cost income rate is saw the remaining from say in large works if equity than accounting distribution you've basis rate. equity principal,

lower. the the slightly And up, went that so sort rate an as of output drove because principal

the performance, that. anything. really was our anything It's driven probably by else. or that largest So, more driver of really wasn't if It performance

Operator

from comes Securities. B. Sherbetchyan line from Sarkis of question the Next Riley

Sarkis Sherbetchyan

cash the keep that [Technical cash Difficulty] level curious just on on repayments. appropriate you as to view the earning into I'm what assets. versus pulling of books

Henri Steenkamp

how moment obviously missed the repayments, don't remaining cash is are of on things or because just at the bond level just, problem first the the a sort you think with from cash. of We did. what have offering we but that part, I We've asking that we bit of little issue have

quite And cash. of bit a so, we have

it quarter-end, was deploy. at million around $XX think, I to

especially million timing because, I we the relatively terms to facility, $XX.X can comfortable which credit the lot access if of and $XX of cash million that obviously, need, we again, to think if pretty course, it institutional be that not good market, all additional about the we utilize liquidity there's a concerned the more facility of the we the with of facility only need, about we cash if additional bond is the at allows availability a cash have really hand a moment. needs. feel us with bond for baby there's of then, market cash bond credit used. From I'm perspective, And available have the credit on hand. in or cash the having have, feel capacity And drawn, a

Sarkis Sherbetchyan

on so, level my guess cash to and is I think Henri, was my here? I cash? might line sheet a in appreciate balance chopping wondering, that deploying be essentially cash what I the books think on you really that you're appropriate right what's question keep spot good to up. But super more of just the the do liquidity the compared to I'm keep

Mike Grisius

constantly here, a It's I about. think something very maybe thinking jump are I in could if Well, we question. that's good

capital markets quarter relative been we many pretty a the we've is period have to capital to within in although the when markets, deals that for time fortunate of of pipeline going as think close look, this have close, And think times access kind have a and our how what forward there are we second capital given of I we our like to do XXXX, good that. to example. are

And be want to to our business. so, continue we do able to

we of the line credit. why that's So, have

to it's I in think terms, we facility, upsize $XX million ability million. the a of notice to have the as but you that some $XX

have we the to So, of ability have our revolving line increase. credit

cash that on so, less at little a time. to hand allows And us maybe with the run

we comes cash your from, have where repayments. depending think redemptions, I also right, have we

coming repayments have in. we So,

have back. we coming about some visibility cash So,

We cash going have some visibility on out.

given that exactly. very paying at even that's million dynamic X.XX% anything and up not that's us came And $XX matched a informing offering of your on but on and decision you're efficient, well-priced of have the the so, or is million books, a very that things a cash earning being something where making. from you depending you're if cash it's $XX is X.XX%, cash against bond But obviously one right, we're

And a to there's arbitrage negative so, cash.

minimize And to our negative is arbitrage. Henri, points? then, unused want line basis the you XX so, And fee,

Henri Steenkamp

to then basis basis Yeah, points. drawn and we're XX% it's points XX until it drops XX

Mike Grisius

but expensive than XX and we're So, level Again, is about relative things a safety will. for points in that we have which are general of of paying is managing you those to cash XX standpoint, certainly the all some between but if considerations, bonds facility, the sold fund, of cash less basis talked then process. other negative from undrawn running is good to we've cash ongoing an arbitrage to

Operator

further no questions are I'll back Chris There at Oberbeck hand over this closing remarks. it time. to for

Chris Oberbeck

we you and thank you. forward everyone next with look appreciate quarter. appreciate us we for joining interest to Well, We your today and speaking you Thank questions and all.

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