Ed Goodwin VP, IR
Christopher Chip Paucek CEO
Cathy Graham CFO
Sarah Hindlian Macquarie
Monika Garg KeyBanc
Brian Schwartz Oppenheimer
George Tong Goldman Sachs
Jeff Silber BMO Capital Markets
Michael Tarkan Compass Point
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Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to 2U Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Ed Goodwin, Vice President of Investor Relations. Sir, you may begin.

Ed Goodwin

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Cathy Graham

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line from Oppenheimer. Schwartz And the Brian from our next of question comes

Brian Schwartz

potential want to wanted I if I'm starting to competition. business could at anything the activity from you DGP And I experience the GetSmarter. looking you here cross-selling interest a to revenue Chip, or wondering synergies switch ed? with like for bundling any about topic any at among is about if GetSmarter that away doing higher the offerings ask you're the partners for looking program are X at also, talk internally then the And there potential the platform. you levels seeing

Christopher Chip Paucek

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Brian Schwartz

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Christopher Chip Paucek

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from And line question of the from Tong our Goldman next comes Sachs. George

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George Tong

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Cathy Graham

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Christopher Chip Paucek

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George Tong

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Christopher Chip Paucek

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Cathy Graham


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Christopher Chip Paucek

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And our Jeff Silber the from next Markets. question BMO line Capital of comes from

Jeff Silber

margin think minutes, believe, expansion. just growth -- going there's how opportunities you I wondering at the if is last talked I fact you're was company address some growth versus you on whether years, a appropriate next in for over the given the Chip, few conference, all about the at few the your quote margin for could a was expansion profile looking conversations internal and that quarter, business. I that a

Christopher Chip Paucek

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Cathy Graham


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Jeff Silber

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Cathy Graham

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Christopher Chip Paucek

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Cathy Graham

the point course this segment will expect by for I And out we adjusted will that short XXXX. be EBITDA-positive way, that do

Christopher Chip Paucek

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of from comes Suisse. question Brad Credit next line from the Zelnick our And

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Christopher Chip Paucek

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Christopher Chip Paucek

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from the line And question from Point. Michael our Tarkan Compass of next comes

Michael Tarkan

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Michael Tarkan

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Christopher Chip Paucek

inherently Yes. our current of periods LTR-TCA acquisition, financial mean, related our ratio. student shows embedded revenues. in expenses I it's future statement to And clearly,

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Michael Tarkan

any I'm front? then just undergraduate update quickly, on assuming the last but And no,

Christopher Chip Paucek

Not on this call.


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Christopher Chip Paucek

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