Lillian Brownstein Deputy General Counsel
Chip Paucek Co-Founder and CEO
Paul Lalljie Chief Financial Officer
Stephen Sheldon William Blair
George Tong Goldman Sachs
Ryan MacDonald Needham
Josh Baer Morgan Stanley
Jeff Silber BMO Capital Markets
David Lustberg Jefferies
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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. And welcome to the 2U Incorporated First Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your host, Lillian Brownstein, Deputy General Counsel. you. Thank ahead. go Please

Lillian Brownstein

Good earnings And conference Operator. first to quarter XXXX call. afternoon, you, welcome everyone. XU’s Thank

On the call Co-Founder and this afternoon are and Lalljie Chip Paul our CFO. CEO; Paucek, our

take Paul’s remarks and Chip Following we will questions. prepared

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Chip Paucek

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Paul Lalljie

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Chip Paucek

Paul. Thanks,

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Now, for let’s it Q&A. open up


Stephen, Sheldon William comes is question Stephen [Operator of open. the Blair. Instructions] line from from Our first your line

Stephen Sheldon

you. Thank Hey.

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Chip Paucek

Hey, Stephen.

we into our that costs in our plan. was plan inflation So, budget did marketing to baked for

seen more we the impacts wage seeing felt pressure. And business, labor people, increasing, ready do more So be some some we clear. competitive question are you it to marketing it. costs are on makes see we side, pretty for stability, to that no There’s hire to have the actually

QX. So volatility has definitely gone down since

now feel working So increases like than QX. volatile into was it’s him. budget, given the through baked we it we And are right in we less that

cyclical. will that, somewhat been clear always counter it’s always Now, the be also has and Degree business

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going, is for to and significant -- workforce to course, for need now feel So, significant. are companies the when and rescaling prepare their comfortable and things upskilling of the with right we how need continue

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So, we ultimately, the have we feel that -- well -- we covered. got it are pretty

Stephen Sheldon

helpful. to the That’s did want traction. ask enterprise it. And about Got then

customers? -- and across Just already just the of partnership, in see the from to assets benefit of great that engagement that on great enterprise some what what channels edX, detail got I the guess, between great was Guild had -- driving you you the different you get with what’s do those the more

Chip Paucek

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for camps our our Executive activity across are partnership. enterprise so is seeing demand we that strong is, boot And enterprise think to own Ed channel in we critical particular. product line and Guild the do

pretty call, major uptake we for a just or reasons, earnings so, wins clients, quarter-on-quarter competitive sequential XX% of into decided non-trivial. different into from get whole but not the listing to clients bunch And listing simply

are a we people So, lot space. bigger obviously the most than in

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really the parts joy the pretty this XU. of impacting of part So, it is of overall all transaction much is that

good example. a that’s So

Stephen Sheldon

Great. Thank you.


open. For Goldman have George question Sachs. Georgia our Tong we your line from next is

George Tong

mentioned quarter Thanks. had -- Good Hi. afternoon. hi. Last you

a implementations to the administration changes new re-launch program XXXX? get for programs launches, I with those are those or in programs and delays some and of timelines think some of reaccredited progress and launch provide how you approaching can an they some update in there new the with

Chip Paucek

are we track you and Yeah. this feeling, with a we launches program on bit a expected like now are we me We the roll. for on that, heard we feel mentioned calendar of feel year, are like right

an quite a five-year of programs improvement year queue time I the to We get surprised and in XXXX, in next the like. it XXXX, year actually that some after know, of to long because the process, tend are that, building nice take or what planning. definitely and we of be we for which investors through are a the types do actually believe interesting What’s not, is, universities pipeline, work and looks programs feeling run

So tenure sometimes -- planning.

are existing we And with And so, seeing the which programs, building we have growth like from we queue particularly well more of, we partners. done licensure very outer years. are a for feel definitely

-- mention and me to along. heard that Carolina, you we starting the were really it’s there, North of University off institutional a So, programs clearly come we built there gotten to Hill, slower had Chapel start

University in one our a of we of with very the Australia. on most So the degrees for in far is University folks the now Sydney call, excited of that of schools significant is relationship the of Australia, all that prestigious and first by have Sydney, University four U.S. Sydney relationship

to So we partners. significant think existing company meaningful. is edX is platform that’s a opportunity. with a helping transition The clearly

hold you the -- perfect, We perfect know, on platform. truly standpoint edX are you of, we impact not unlock the a but a is, And creating Undergrad heard a worldwide our to us to that, seeing many to LSC really affordable the for are cost us in edX over only see people mention more That the what And the cost, program potential. will overall weapon will from bring programs program. time. down is their do ability the options like for be

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affordable time. So see and have continue over you will us to more more programs

our pipeline ability generate on opportunities. So real edX to having definitely a is impact new

George Tong

business? the helpful. those Credential talk also Very acquire cost on certainly both year in leads. the evolved how business we Alternative side side And about over Degree then, have and the with gen the have increases seen lead the you of Can secondly, to of it. costs costs, Program then past Got

Paul Lalljie

planned, an George, in join inflation for off across budgeted our can Chip business still that are XXXX. seeing We in level. start leads cost we for at inflated me costs after. And let we and

some -- we However we stability in have budget. maintained the still is more our is go But, generally, periods. and spend we costs at we seeing the predictable as it we inflated are through and are the have levels some that seeing it

little budget a in below just first bit our fact, the quarter. In

Chip Paucek

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potential. that top one unlocks probably are education website And most You worldwide. people’s importantly, talking about five

great the also are incredible free courses So, world, marketplace and an opportunity. they for create

George Tong

Very helpful. Thank you.


For question, your MacDonald next from we Ryan, our open. Needham. have Ryan lines

Ryan MacDonald

Congrats on Paul. quarter here. and Chip nice Hi, a

process like MicroMasters the today? programs? partners maybe the you, that look the program. on both Thanks. Can in comment of those And have maybe kind question First, that what’s see a margins EBITDA the outlook you launching through negotiations the of existing sort as I about for of what of us those on adjusted to would adopt walk really terms or your we profit XX-plus impact

Paul Lalljie

Hey, Ryan.

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have Now huge a them to double double impact. don’t things to expect or to need we

you opportunity. or an a program, the a generate to have able you like are you opportunity talking something to But affordability learner. a about XX% lift are to are into driving If most huge that economic importantly,

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Ryan MacDonald

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you when As Thanks. you full the assuming change are market for set to at of current this you labor guidance the that you year, about no topline? or the look essentially in that sort think dynamics improvement

Chip Paucek

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program, We have XXX clear. masters to be

different a -- So, very it construct. it’s a different is

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time, So if in we current take feel we Over degree like environment, expected are economy does business? is the this But for good we operating step prepared are that for and back, we it. our Sure. a it.

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see a we So as tailwind. that

Paul Lalljie

end In Yeah. also employers Chip, numbers that employees. in are day, have to we And that we mean, keep the I are we doing approaches hitting to more economy of here, at this the their have. the

all approach. is degree is one segment So credit another approach. The

of we MicroMasters, of then how on multiple we to expenses talked at the end day, see depending of the ability some the edX, As we And things the stronger support we EBITDA deliver about, have revenue. approach. variable to think it’s also

Chip Paucek

we saw of our it thought look consumer have a we weakness if It degree stage, people interesting get of I is the But offset at And seeing enterprise growth by held got own. the want And was to it in our bigger you meaningful. we consumer Yeah. net-net, in course, enterprise. thought business. rest you starting business. that

I think not. did a lot of others

Ryan MacDonald

color. a Very lot. Thanks helpful


we Stanley. question, have is our Josh, from Josh For next Morgan Baer open. your line

Josh Baer

then be sure and free commentary flow cash on walk Great. free the just And trajectory helpful. Paul, would Thanks some that cash flow. operating unlevered question. the breakeven, to for free And just help free again, the cash wanted know any free we flow, of flow if cash details on levered or I burn for flow, cash through, can to it cash timing side. revisit is on just make free flow you

Paul Lalljie

of included we have look expecting $XX $XX million, million full of a cash cash and use million After And so year of on I back net only we $XX on think us Josh, if when basis, we year. given in million. basis, our flow. the the the CapEx, were first then free somewhat million $XX it the first of numbers, at expense million burned look and working usage our EBITDA, we quarter a Hey. for neutral between payments a neutral at we which quarter quarter, highest provided capital a That $XX expecting basis. a with cash for levered about is a had about we would it, levered results, $XX net total on that when quarter,

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million expected we this of year. all of So we the $XX means that here EBITDA for have now sit today, as

of things. what million should positive use $XX to we of worth. Net-net, a is million, million We side CapEx, be year. $XX payments. be basis. for it interest have $XX of expecting conservative of That’s it’s about at of million And cash year, of for the which have the probably on but levered the take a $X million $XX end then we

how X Now is next dependent all on of the unfold. quarters this

what will think that importantly, a are most demonstrated not expense says that that are topline and and on on we return spend, you in we on lower variable and first to of also, Mark model, finding that the the more operating have the more bottomline. the we delivering ways in is the investment see is revenue deliver Chernis cost. hitting have And there marketing to quarter have I the teams bottomline. finding we drop ways the multiple But have if at ways plan the

we EBITDA can marketing us the of help we deliver hoping So we revenues. And on are that conditions adjusted are to favorable optimistic the side see equation.

Josh Baer

wanted think if I then And up of to am I number ask helpful. That’s the moves Great. million learners, X I Okay. registered right, quarter-over-quarter. about one,

level level? forward? to if right you that, wanted about Just -- that happy that? get should the take going that think are your like we Is on How with

Chip Paucek

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Jeff Silber

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Paul Lalljie

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Chip Paucek

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Jeff Silber

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David Lustberg

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David Lustberg

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David Lustberg

appreciate. Really Great. Thanks.


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Chip Paucek

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