Fidus Investment (FDUS)

Ed Ross Chairman and CEO
Shelby Sherard CFO, Chief Compliance Officer and Secretary
Jody Burfening IR
Robert Dodd Raymond James
Ryan Lynch Keefe, Bruyette & Woods
Mickey Schleien Ladenburg
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Good day, and welcome to the Fidus Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. Today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jody Burfening. Please go ahead.

Jody Burfening

Thank you, Lisa, and good morning, everyone. joining conference Fidus call. for quarter Corporation's you earnings XXXX thank us Investment for second And Shelby Officer. With Fidus and and Investment this Corporation's Chief me morning Chairman Chief are Executive Ed Ross, Sherard, Financial Officer; the Fidus Investment press the a Corporation quarterly results. details afternoon financial release company's of yesterday issued with is the Investor on Relations site page copy of available Web fdus.com. A of at press release the the company's Safe to call on your Harbor customary disclosure like the included regarding also I'd today's to call. information forward-looking attention including statements, cash forward-looking regarding contain Investment will today call potential, and conference strategies, goals, results Corporation. future flows statements beliefs, The the Fidus operating of

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Ed Ross

position. we questions. to to be the start our will quarter remarks, XXXX prepared and end, second lower views and On have I'll middle an quarter results then completed everyone. earnings in happy our quarter call, Shelby review with After conditions a you Good and Welcome morning, of our morning, at liquidity and financial Jody, quarter call. our the today's our your update portfolio of good our offer second performance take conference cover on second market we'll market.

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share, dividend $X.XX from dividend the XXX% base and first per a of of second a the paid the For $X.XX quarter. supplemental over base equal surplus Fidus the dividend per NII adjusted quarter, share in of to

will declared Board stockholders XXXX $X.XX of a share of XX, share. September to dividend payable quarter, the as For per record X, September of third the Directors be and per supplemental of of dividends a base $X.XX on XXXX. dividend The

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Shelby Sherard

including provision, ended commentary versus was PIK, million on more was and the $X.X note QX $X.X and decrease position. fee from income be months Ed, XX.X three second you, capital $X.X quarter. QX driven debt were income increase QX XX.X Please in a will Total our detail XX, capital cumulative close Note exceed investment decreased by income GAAP backend for outstanding. million Please for in balances with quarter with good income the by and dividend including morning, comments The tax a accrual in primarily investments, income. incentive average million. due majority in fee in however, interest a unrealized income, investment Total providing the prior in everyone. Thank million XXXX. the payable purposes, quarter appreciation. arrears therefore million and is by results $X.X interest an in losses the that only QX. increase investments I accrued liquidity first decrease realized recall increase June our weighted annually I'll gain comparative and is fee to of increase gains extent were offset million million to in X.X in review closed quarter more The gains the March the incentive line for realized

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equity on attributable or share ended capital was which to or gains as versus three or our June debt interest $X.XX unrealized for average June exempt $X.XX was consistent investment NII, with SBA June The $X.XX in QX. to debentures. income, ratio leverage, NII, XXXX. X.Xx share any excluding XX and per XX, realized months statutory X.X% weighted was QX incentive losses Net on XX Adjusted investments, was Our of as rate X.Xx share the debt outstanding fee per accruals QX. and per reversals gains excludes of in

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statistics. to now portfolio Turning

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to like liquidity. briefly Now our I'd available discuss

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call Ed the to Now I'll turn concluding back comments. for

Ed Ross

Thanks, Shelby.

call support. for to our and like the shareholders of thank I'd turn at dedication Lisa and over to work hard their team Lisa? always, the Fidus their and our for continued As Board Q&A. will Directors for now I


with ahead. James. from We'll Raymond Thank first Please take Instructions]. Dodd Robert question you. [Operator our go

Robert Dodd

the performance very, and quarter as congratulations just which the on strategy, of very well Ed and but as morning, the quarter, has not overall good. post been Shelby, the Good

more but difficult couple the the questions. you a knew couple Ed, So times, the your across on was a probably is finishing you now. getting I'm ask this of one, went about line kind to you coming. of deals to back going of But -- that first dividend, comment,

agreeing curious? a on little people divergence now there Sounds that's gap about like on pricing sponsors a move is of the pipeline, other Or slower what anything on making a kind that? right is ask, price? Is some is I'm between like that more factor structure on problem borrowers pricing but and it just or there -- quite optimistic is -- ask there your the is

Ed Ross

Robert. Great Sure. question,

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for was sheet not did on a want certain where based a end borrower day. us a had the structure the of then and question signed term other structure we and The the that up to have structure, the at company

And so we backed away.

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Robert Dodd

you for that. thank Yes,

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Ed Ross

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see to continue adjusted a risk environment adjusted a return basis. risk from attractive very a we So on or return

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Robert Dodd

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Ed Ross

some bit why maybe Robert, been highlight just actually me the are I've just I postponed well options as give a as table. that careful thoughts we different things you on But what as Let imagine, little say. with on might the

Robert Dodd

fair enough. Yes,

Ed Ross

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Robert Dodd

And helpful. very I you. apologize Thank for That the is background.

Ed Ross

Robert. No Nice to problem. you. talking Thanks,


next our Ryan KBW. take We'll from with Lynch question

Ryan Lynch

Hi. Good morning.

Ed Ross

Ryan. morning, Good

Ryan Lynch

question, kind The getting first struck of time it having when question of in up environment. because deals following kind he was a Robert's harder across I had the on this line about talked finish as well me

first the on quarter. sector I for time BDC maybe that the I've the conference calls really that's this heard think

And versus more going the achieve so. that out months is would talked economic now about deal they're so improving lender the maybe uncertain able or terms forward. there environment six ago -- to and what still been most because friendly others Obviously, environment some I call very really

present that So does some challenges.

you terms as just would cause of kind to unpack, statements? -- maybe to love just upper where if as in middle middle middle I'd quickly the market is those aren't that's the make unique something that shifting So lower particularly maybe or core there could you market

Ed Ross

Sure. I certain Great answer one frankly. quite and Ryan, to think an to easy But shifting question, terms are degree. a not

spreads I think to stable are widening.

probably And going QX well. think three those perspective, a they for maybe situations. what just was -- liquid quality QX flow market, I middle in Again, a flow say have is to discovery the trend, to clearly lot on. the bit a going and are has a high are continue levels us for But bounds of just help positive but as lot very out it's little deal covenants and been and coming same leverage much are a as weeks, are credit always not as slower little not thought markets, the in was and a strong. on down be we discovery So and for would experiencing sure. of the I also four price there deal today last been I than of From very lower

And are fair see situations. of high so we starting a to number quality

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for us and for market. lower And helps. middle as I so well that's that hope the a thing good

Ryan Lynch

not are done, deals discipline backing there just And getting not having are that. be across that off better And fall, of And I deals as of thoughtful maybe could explicitly and finish a maybe Yes, other the that not there line that maybe if deals but it done completely are deals makes being lot aren't right, agree deals and right companies terms, that sort that's also stating that on complete be in sense. well. you getting they're also are the are could other getting helpful.

that's So fair.

deal a quarter. I congrats it you talk versus of partial why of Can nature the your what was fast monetization? was a behind The was monetization? was, full that partial other monetization question about on nature partial third the that? a What monetization in only And had

Ed Ross

company monetization perspective, is been in that negotiation getting a sense. quality our primary now call invested with partial Sure. our liquidity we've high the The from Well, of Very this little so bit. a made business. XX the years it, And a around company. perspective owner or was from for,

ended reason our And for up high the of It's is than investment our quality we the a less we selling the long-term feel well half company. So of very position. that about as for company. prospects good as

smart a Hopefully, it retain our thing it see But And the sense that. as pleased we're to for to was that pleased think to partial able very to equity be But the and partial event so ownership shareholders. with in realization do how goes thought future. makes liquidity do also that a we're just liked made we sense. we that. We

Ryan Lynch

a table sense chips few Yes, really successful just on makes the it a off investment. taking

quarter. you what -- we Shelby. that any income quarter-to-quarter on the lumpy. but of on is one but predict kind to for basis, hard Just maybe can I that? really Dividend the this But thoughts have do dropped be which to be I had, a very last predict, should for hard it's expecting know in preliminary third significantly quarter

Shelby Sherard

Yes. QX on basis. larger was I just run than expect rate I a would probably say would what What is

that few annual a have companies dividend. select maybe portfolio We an make

of more so forward, outsized. QX. I would with be to going that's things QX to of line caused what be in expect Kind kind more And

Ryan Lynch

my time appreciate and the appreciate taking I helpful. you that's today Okay, questions.

Ed Ross

you, it. Thank to I you. Good appreciate Ryan. talking

Ryan Lynch

You too.


Ladenburg. [Operator Instructions]. We'll Mickey take with our next question from Schleien

Mickey Schleien

I've -- the paycheck under also class that the to middle way upper, economic are a management much represents struggling that just be wanted middle arguments are consumer domestic only of lower ask might the the out class control folks that the is paycheck and fine. heard I It's kill current to There's Good the part how there that you the this risk question. consumer given inflation everyone. morning, as the class to get economy. Ed, under the living conditions. economy, the middle Fed's that the to theory going

And risk there so much there's perceived. not is as perhaps as

there heard with the say given that with And respect that in think So how is I I is you with Fed's much struggle to inflation, a comments? particular, the you shop? in thrift And portfolio does in my line consumer? risk -- in your invested

Ed Ross

close great in business, to regard and question. committed very well a It's that. With the this should the pretty it's also diversified thrift Sure, in The performing environment. just great quarter. well to we shop, a deal later

like, and all has we company obviously feel those at, this So performed we cycles. looked pretty at looked when we well previous cycles through

it's as perspective very stable one a feel well. So good in from environment our this business about we and

So staples it's lower taking with day maybe higher being income comments and from prices, in on spending frankly. if impacted from about discretionary things Evelyn's certain items, by if agree, that consumer like areas, think that food to prices, you perspective. I more focused of experienced that's market you will. is urban a on to day you probably if gas are differentiated living focused share quite We will. more type [ph] Evelyn's higher bracket, more do your will, more more a I extent, they the

exposed questions limited, some question how last I portfolio? think one have of very we So but your would you And And I the was is I exposure, you the our agree with or say, asked, frankly. comments. it's consumer quite asked

think a of companies, a now exposure. It's that feel the of really we're them well two on we're as some I so like positioned we one And names maybe feeling of right move little we handful And bit Evelyn's. have forward. being pressure

notwithstanding difficult great our feel we construction the overall, good our about outlook and about portfolio, operating a that of very feel portfolio it's environment. So

Mickey Schleien

hope a morning. good I you have for you. your Thank I agree. time. it I That's appreciate me weekend. this

Ed Ross


too, You Mickey.


does Ed Ross like turn call remarks. session. back the that question-and-answer any to to or conclude I closing over the And would for additional

Ed Ross

Thank Lisa, you on for you, November in weekend. this call We forward great with a third and quarter a XXXX. speaking everyone look you our Have thank to day great and us early morning. joining


may disconnect. Thank you your presentation. for today's concludes that And you And participation. now