New Residential Investment (NRZ)

Mandy Cheuk Investor Relations
Michael Nierenberg Chief Executive Officer
Bose George KBW
Ken Bruce Bank of America Merrill Lynch
Kevin Barker Piper Jaffray
Tim Hayes B. Riley FBR
Trevor Cranston JMP Securities
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Good morning. My name is Beth and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the New Residential First Quarter 2018 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. you. Thank Instructions] [Operator Relations, begin Investor conference. you Cheuk, your may Mandy

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Bose George

Hey, good morning.

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Michael Nierenberg


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Bose George

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Michael Nierenberg

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Bose George

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Michael Nierenberg

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Bose George

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Michael Nierenberg

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Michael Nierenberg

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Ken Bruce

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Michael Nierenberg

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Ken Bruce

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Michael Nierenberg

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Ken Bruce

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Michael Nierenberg

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Ken Bruce

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Michael Nierenberg

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Kevin Barker

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Michael Nierenberg

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Kevin Barker

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Michael Nierenberg

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Kevin Barker

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Michael Nierenberg

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Kevin Barker

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Michael Nierenberg

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Kevin Barker

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Michael Nierenberg

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Tim Hayes

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Michael Nierenberg

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Tim Hayes

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Tim Hayes

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Michael Nierenberg

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Tim Hayes

were one were last you this acquired the to of one discount then at the out you able And class for deals? of non-agency pulled how quarter me. and of acquire much What non-agencies Okay. kind

Michael Nierenberg

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Bose George

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Michael Nierenberg

recall that was the initial converted Ocwen made full And had HLSS excess. the payment excess to and we of we when with Ocwen, you That January, MSR. the to transaction conversion only as excess in we Because owned we the on. then

million. So $XXX approximately was that difference

Bose George

you driver the whatever figure because that purchase to marks the to strip. trying out contributed the fee of Just

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Michael Nierenberg

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Bose George

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comes JMP question from Trevor Cranston, the Your next line of Securities.

Your line is open.

Trevor Cranston

Just question on Shellpoint. one

way in of type Thanks. also NRZ’s you the it in future? on sheet the non-agency foresee, I currently be sheet whether balance origination on and guys originations much comment side. that balance not that You feed you could for has interest if wondering, as of capabilities like Shellpoint jumbo prime a MSR mentioned was could hopefully if using non-QM something or NRZ's the or

Michael Nierenberg

they’re originating some Shellpoint prime originating also is jumbos. currently some products, non-QM

are right So increase, large the that volumes business not now. should

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Kevin Barker

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Michael Nierenberg

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Kevin Barker

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Michael Nierenberg

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Kevin Barker


Michael Nierenberg

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Kevin Barker

Okay, and then you are reiterating will by the end deal of second close? quarter

Michael Nierenberg

close show don’t it second hopefully I quarter. the date, the to again end but want of the by this absolutely Yeah, we’re

Kevin Barker

associated those PHH you disruptions any and the given new us? are their any then do how and transition loans on Ocwen follow-up counterparty between PHH serviced expect servicing or changes one Okay platform integration big and they more a with as deal, pretty from the

Michael Nierenberg

we No, don’t.

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no questions, call to are will further now There the back remarks. I Nierenberg, for Michael closing turn

Michael Nierenberg

be – think quarter, Love you for thanks excited joining hopefully runway, are lot as and consistent the we’re going good our very future, So, call comments to is look hopefully I think what forward. our about a of questions this growth strategic we gave acquisitions. I the great some we that and likely is near business we’re in that and support. just With and weekend environment not your Friday, our be all the were up bye. our for way investing interesting through set our overall Bye have portfolio, opportunistic in that thanks happy the in


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