New Residential Investment (NRZ)

Kaitlyn Mauritz Investor Relations
Michael Nierenberg Chairman, Chief Executive Officer& President
Nick Santoro Chief Financial Officer
Bose George KBW
Tim Hayes B. Riley FBR
Doug Harter Credit Suisse
Matthew Howlett Nomura
Kevin Barker Piper Jaffray
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Good morning. My name is Lausanne and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the New Residential First Quarter and 2019 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. And after the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. you. Thank Instructions] [Operator like the now Ms. over to would conference turn to I Mauritz Investor Kaitlyn Relations. of

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Kaitlyn Mauritz

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Michael Nierenberg

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of Your Bose [Operator first KBW. George Instructions] question comes the line with from

Bose George

morning. Good Yeah.

So well? of ancillary can Covius of in-house first bring sort opportunity just through acquisition, the potentially third-party could you kind bit is you talk back little there this? here revenue And a much just about how with as also a

Michael Nierenberg

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Bose George

But know the just gradual increase more revenue? the ancillary the to revenue sort of your so timing stuff in benefits of in and of in terms over, or its coming from somewhat of sizing terms earnings you

Michael Nierenberg

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Bose George

against tightened thoughts about are on credit on wanted obviously thinking you about, quarter did helpful. Thanks. just just the helped, That's just ask potentially, generally protecting this you I mean, falling but well, rents? Okay. which to mean, updated hedging spreads how you know, I MSR then And guys

Michael Nierenberg

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Bose George

are And or color just Okay. hedges agencies the mortgage the any just there?

Michael Nierenberg

You would know, I assume they're agencies.

I of You longer as could the the nature, MSR product. some but some for But derivatives, offsetting would of book is of that it going a the be which in it to that. our - part take our the some swaps, most in be offset be duration know, would businesses in agencies, in could in general it hedges against could in be mortgage

Bose George

great. Okay, Thanks.

Michael Nierenberg

Thanks, Bose.


Riley with next Tim of B. line Your from FBR. Hayes question comes

Tim Hayes

Hey. Good morning, Mike.

Michael Nierenberg

Good morning.

Tim Hayes

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wondering if ahead? So opportunities you overcapacity expect present to just opportunities or you fewer issues still if expect

Michael Nierenberg

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we're net-net, think see more I you'll consolidation optimistic. So do though.

Tim Hayes

for Are And then around will is this, tailored going Covius and following or business you this like what does to the space check to helpful. ancillary touched but or you of the deal? That's ways here appetite still M&A for recapture? additional kind Covius actively looking any Okay. your and more investment box in on strategic be acquisition investments play additional

Michael Nierenberg


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Tim Hayes


maybe and you've of touch anticipated savings of Ditech much on calls on recognize sub And conference has your moved that can you or negotiated how And been Okay. contracts? cost to of some this last kind renegotiate the servicing, you've if amount mentioned on that of point. been as able then you the just these

Michael Nierenberg

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to Ditech Shellpoint. from as MSR LoanCare, We as well have transferred

Tim Hayes

be moved that counter-parties So those MSRs the just to are to speak you've only clear to? the two

Michael Nierenberg

yes. point, this At

Tim Hayes

Understood. Okay.

outsourcing Can And moving just they you know I talk they equity the an necessarily any - Okay. just it's from functions about as counter you working do the that that currently some add be value them? that more you're - any are looking expect, - maybe then Covius paid and to also agreement? there your But expect one, stake, to for or there just know grow. earnings not know, know, dividends - from with one is you're are then partnering your Covius. parties from maybe on day as you you some already And you getting I'm that with you

Michael Nierenberg

currently the second that counter is point. The this answer parties some to of have we at with the question work Covius

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Tim Hayes

sense. Got it. It makes

that. Mike. I'll in the back Appreciate Okay, queue. jump

Michael Nierenberg

All Tim. right. Thanks,


Doug line with the of Harter comes Your next Suisse. question from Credit

Michael Nierenberg

Doug. Morning,

Doug Harter

help you some you of morning. Hey, could on that specifics, if just kind large go are I Michael. deals the exact good the at understand they looking characterize - deals. into the you us but you're side of can't MSR know the deals, larger smaller

of us capital the kind deployment? help Just think about

Michael Nierenberg

on. we're one I working Well thing is can Doug, you what the tell

anything investment for our working You is consistent would prior think think I most that I with - the we're would about on part strategy. know,

buy on you not focused That's know, have assets with and/or assets past it's of six that's years the go at joke we consistent doing not was the since nothing, everything look been - the sell companies what it's when Ice not we're that the here, financial company of course doing they like and we're that over what are value services sometimes So founded. a you Breyers Cream.

Doug Harter

All Michael. right. Thanks, appreciate it. I

Michael Nierenberg

Sorry, Doug.


with line of Your Nomura. next Matthew question comes Howlett the from

Matthew Howlett

How Michael. Hey, are you doing?

Michael Nierenberg

Hey, Matt, back. welcome

Matthew Howlett

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Michael Nierenberg

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Matthew Howlett

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Michael Nierenberg

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Matthew Howlett

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are rewards bit the evolve little Just or for operating into you doing these as companies what talk a challenges the about that?

Michael Nierenberg


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Matthew Howlett

Michael. Thanks, Great.

Michael Nierenberg

Thanks, Matt.


with the Piper [Operator Barker Instructions] comes Jaffray. line from Your question Kevin of next

Kevin Barker

Good morning, Hi. Michael.

Michael Nierenberg


Kevin Barker

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Michael Nierenberg

south little We paid of million. bit a reported debts. of $XXX down We cash

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Kevin Barker

there what change this but last was fair mortgage rights value up actually it I'm rates happened quarter And mortgage well, in the then if sorry the versus [indiscernible] going move pretty a I had missed in the around? and earlier, of servicing time

Michael Nierenberg

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Kevin Barker

add a up and the a quantify you negotiation the maybe servicing fees more on could entails Just of there, that little color and follow that? what

Michael Nierenberg

our sub at in certain acquired think fees actually extended we've really a is. you servicing you acquiring one fee also business of revenue in we a it, and and past. I one weren’t with mortgage the what ancillary that part parties, doing what agree the the key we've loans. of seeing, Sure. about [ph] to working contracts that's portfolios of and and what counter if business the that as contract our for our the mean, evolution happened captured counterparties And our we're The of on some set service us lowered or of it and

Kevin Barker

Okay. Michael. Thank you,

Michael Nierenberg

Kevin. Thanks,


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Michael Nierenberg


for thanks, So participating. everybody

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