Casper Sleep (CSPR)

Norberto Aja IR
Philip Krim Co-Founder and CEO
Emilie Arel President and Chief Commercial Officer
Mike Monahan CFO
Peter Keith Piper Sandler
Matt Koranda ROTH Capital
Seth Basham Wedbush Securities
Atul Maheswari UBS
Bob Drbul Guggenheim Securities
Brooke Roach Goldman Sachs
Curtis Nagle Bank of America
Nick Jones Citi
Lauren Schenk Morgan Stanley
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Good morning, and welcome to Casper Sleep’s Second Quarter 2021 Conference Call. Today’s call is being recorded. I would like to turn the conference over to Norberto Aja, Investor Relations for Casper. Mr. Aja, you may begin.

Norberto Aja

good and operator, you, morning, everyone. Thank for Conference Call. you joining the Quarter Second XXXX Sleep Casper Thank We’ll in your questions. get comments management’s started just a with minute and before minute take harbor But let the language. read safe a so, doing to me call of Private meaning XXXX. Securities within of the Act will contain Reform This statements the forward-looking Litigation anticipated should supply call plans, statements, forward-looking including and regarding management’s on All not impact on to considered statements this of made industry-wide matters our be relate goals financial and the inspected business. objectives, strategies, do constraints that of performance, historical fact COVID-XX statements but These other known or implied statements performance are cause or neither promises forward-looking that different the factors by be unknown nor our and results, guarantees, from uncertainties to achievements results, future performance involve achievements or risks, expressed may statements. actual and important materially any in year the made those with could call Factors materially to XX-K report other ended today. on Securities differ December annual cause and discussed Form filings forward-looking XXXX, statements Exchange by Commission the and results the on for this our actual indicated XX, from estimates forward-looking of such management’s call. as represent statements this the date Any of

While any if point to we elect future, in so, at disclaim change. we statements our some the to update such even views cause subsequent may events do to obligation forward-looking

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Philip Krim

Thank everyone. second and call. good Welcome conference Norberto, morning, Casper’s quarter to you,

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Emilie Arel

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Mike Monahan

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Philip Krim

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Your Instructions] Sandler. line [Operator from Peter from of question first Keith comes Piper the

Peter Keith

just wanted ask margin I to gross about the trend.

guess So the industry. magnitude But the the pressure guys that stands is are out certainly, well known inflationary of facing. you what are pressures in margin gross I

So through pretty It quickly. to seem through. quarters competitors putting like seems And like it’s what’s passing delay price are here increases pricing? that in a you causing guys pass couple the through taking of

Philip Krim

X. earlier increase this a and we a price increase of price doing were October larger So small year, as did we

moving we So inflationary period, margin our we’re seeing channel. increase robust there’s been pressure pressure the price have the the also the mix reflected part would retail the margin in growth channel but say that on given partnership is in gross shift front. I

So blended a on channel that pressure very does little margins. that’s gross obviously strong been the a incremental put

to contributing gross factors multiple it’s So margin position. the

Peter Keith

is what could wholesale magnitude apart was us that so break to that that just point for on Okay. see can shift Mike, of And versus we the with I Is wholesale follow the that you up inflationary pressures? going margins. something,

Mike Monahan


are the in margins Our the mid-XX% wholesale, roughly. DTC in than pressure seeing and we’re And mid-XX% range margins range. for seen, overall we’ve those they’re typically historically in some


from next Capital. Matt Your of ROTH the comes line from Koranda question

Matt Koranda

equation? the the the magnitude then of I especially increases. I Just quickly wondering from through flow offset P&L, be fair are caught speak a price it commentary just QX timing helpful. trend those supply And wholesale to those headwinds? would Philip. how little of say the you going if XX/X through thought gross on margin around basically the chain you to could of side and maybe to just Is And bit do then just

Philip Krim

than did flow-through Mike much the the we year. earlier significant the this to but more increase magnitude of price let Yes. I’ll comment the on increases price is P&L, the

So number than we’ll the step a price have more more offset chain SKUs, some bigger SKUs of of up and on supply headwinds. a in it’s

We already, those come more maintain taking. the down chain -- expect supply and to And also we’re expect to the expect costs we prices we’ve down. seen some of we that some come of

term, we that’s price back that There’ll increase be XX% get how gross number plus The gross why into looking margins. that long about So will believe talked expansion. margin XXXX we factors drive to of around could we supplier is using and to you one. expanding margin? Mike, through negotiate kind But better We of highlighted talk the the do then our others the and scale base our flow to to pricing. continue want QX about a

Mike Monahan


we’re volumes couple First, lower events that partnership I’ll start higher move with at will price. of a the where to have -- third expecting quarter. In we the third retail quarter, slightly

would the that saw quarter to in I overall, third so with be And channel what because margins of in mix. the we quarter expect second consistent relatively

more prices As quarter. fourth Philip mentioned, the beginning we expect towards to of increase the

quarter, impact quarter the of retail of terms in fourth to we’ll mix fourth higher the through channel so of start that. our Typically, has flow And slightly during partnerships. that percentage see a

And margins this I year. still so, but to overall, remainder anticipate up be price factoring during range quarter-over-quarter of for would QX, the increases gross more in to some the below QX from the of XX% go the year

Matt Koranda

of of adding like couple sort quarters And a what’s timing probably Okay. then to onboard. the sounds that takes It suppliers? additional for

back can mark? or of back the of a of as XXXX. to more sort to path at gross north of XX% looking part of sort kind help to you of north likely us occur margins we’re So understand path XX% early But in the timing XX% the

Philip Krim


this supply comment the chain side, on year. the I’ll on margin. side on chain supply let the been suppliers we’ve So adding But -- Mike

that not this it’s something at point. we’re So starting just

available very low-cost materials labor of large up another -- of because we as online additional despite suppliers, having raw ended capacity speak. as well our all having of supplier suppliers have constraint The up suppliers ended as that’s chain We of coming less a shortage those shortages. supply a adding both factor was

suppliers working additional the strategy most are well, suppliers and adding And as the within is So adding lines increase footprint those. our within their add capacity capacity manufacturing to manufacturing additional facilities. of or

you demand So But our suppliers, the we chain capacity some within the and happened of supply us bigger of more much want chain into think do a shift XXXX. margin let year. to lower opposite moving going cost of there’s has be implications supply about that? And the this our that Mike, industry the which to will within to talk

Mike Monahan

Sure. some These a our overall we to in of into we’re why improve that going are good heading margins. feel be the position reasons to XXXX,

So talked about, new of are ramping suppliers bringing the them during half and this up as Philip year. second on we

doors, heading the piece as that the to material retail generate within anticipate partners labor that lot selling supply partnership cost higher will to trial partners, them, experiencing overall the products come it are our raw channel, new down. We we expect the ease. we’re per which unit of within within chain overall And a premium those gross channel. start on as should that as we then and XXXX, margins challenges more through we’re third into and which And then -- our new is suppliers bringing bringing of more tend on

position cost to start perspective expect within we’re we which our just overall, about retail be products, should average towards premium think XXXX. the you about as forward. excited partnership good from shift a And standpoint, to an pricing that more going unit mix into So channel, those per in heading

Philip Krim

our relationships that. because to chain to partners. product and launching focus we to on seeing. add constraints supply trial some could we’re much Just more of And we on we these ultimately opportunities had one as as that of really current pushed our delivering existing the that We point out

that’s supply point, another so because And Mike’s thing pushed still a constraints. the distribution -- of that’s expansion out but of to was chain another some product and the still that’s out online, coming pushed bit premium


Securities. from Your is next from question Basham Seth Wedbush

Seth Basham

a your gross really relative cost your Just for experiencing peers, traded publicly margin like it your comparing trends you’re relative pressures more some peers. to seems price them than of to

Do be. more helpful. to If understanding you you could a manufacturing? pricing that be have that, use less you get on as shed to trying do pressure might I’m because power? light that Now Or better you cost why some third-party would have

Philip Krim

partnership multiple cost I was pressure rapid think expansion on pressure in as inflation. the the retail It Again, the factors seeing of putting just channel it driving it’s the on well you’re goods as margin QX. margins. margin of

show position. think faster I we see given price perhaps of inventory players were up increases vertically some our just-in-time integrated the nature the

need So may vendors stock might hit. had supply than of from our faster that raw if we increases it materials cost some a hit the of to, the we would

same So material just-in-time. business we’re even would in a that’s do there timing buying being all of raw but there integrated, third-party going it vertically as, the be peer. drop, show price differences of I produced P&L definitely a means is difference were up it’s some impacting how the you if increases integrated some that also raw to timing again, materials overall, our could chemicals But think the vertically implications. versus it’s hit way It in that given our faster, business the as our

Seth Basham

it. Got

manufacturing would reduce you in your Did a And that. as remarks? to relates bringing to in that Okay. a costs, that? little of I contract you prepared your challenges over of opportunity some any shipping Is questions you’re consider Two year given your ago. in-house, it catch facing? renegotiate follow-up secondly, your there the to then, One, further

Philip Krim

we for earlier, capacity this this aggressive within and within in that dramatically time, with supply goes which Casper the That how You and verticalize increasing to did. bid good we made within source And But vendors be XXXX be is at for is -- set is to against capacity is we question, and the of this product to business. half our But point to actually on your manufacturing second increasing very the the chain we comment to first use allow year. our I to industry more business. us other capacity that’s opportunity increased the demand have certainly footprint. Casper how each going third-party back so right think in our for up

of have So lot our back chain we for that the when of it up success business we is back to a expanding ‘XX us when move online. us, actually gross manufacturing supply our come into third-party think margins sets footprint in this a see we and and lot right additional model capacity

But point So the at road. enough verticalize we demand we I like look the said, we’ll business. for good more the have certainly the down right position. time, to and about in than obviously feel that could We that, opportunistically do

Seth Basham

And the shipping?

Philip Krim

And cost, yes. the shipping then sorry. on I’m

wins We our and look So shipping lot we still benefit of there’s with are lot to optimize of renegotiating we additional had shipping contracts, a the logistics. we as about to talked to have footprint. optimize but a continuing our

some contracts logistics more to us We’re and warehousing order give our in footprint. partnerships of renegotiating a optimized

part based And improve our room cost structure so within optimizing warehousing there’s margins logistics the our of definitely business. to and on still


next from Instructions] UBS. [Operator from question Atul Your Maheswari is

Atul Maheswari

fourth to implies Your would revenue mid-single-digit that guidance in revenue quarter. growth the a slow level

have case capacity some later why the that additional would So you manufacturing ramp will be that that this given would year?

Philip Krim

we but still we’ll believe that chain capacity, additional overall that and within have need. the believe the that we’ll full we risk We is manufacturing won’t that capacity have supply there

guidance so there that we’ve the be put on chain. out a the to assumption supply And based choppy continues

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Atul Maheswari

pricing the to your then makes have peers my That question. strong. circling costs still demand sense. meaningfully. up back October And pricing you’re earlier X. curious just follow-up pricing have taking inflated why taken as on on given it. is it not I Got Several here, just I’m of and up know you’re taking

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Philip Krim

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weeks So that pricing notice and on we provided worked them with ago. them many, many

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question We Guggenheim from have from Drbul Securities. Bob a

Bob Drbul

couple of questions from a Just me.

bit think and inventory one talked you a the balance I I composition you little have first on non-mattress inventory the the the is think that on sheet.

little marketing think customer your you in And try acquisition and some you non-mattress of little are -- pressure of of what expect sales is you you’re reach you you how much much of sort have about marketing about that pressure to when you ability the about impact, as categories? the just in think, of wondering think perspective? Just that talked in doing I about -- the you question to really get overall from with how customers plans, as could seeing just that just sort business? investment, The of wondering if bit of that talk line you top the the guess you new do I acquisition some as second costs, a -- how environment bit just a various out what to or sort the you’re expect I product, that generally

Philip Krim

kind two, there. So I guess, in of questions

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footprint why expand our within category the position seeing will that’s you’re aggressively, increase. we so And and inventory that

the our On driving marketing at growth. with and generate sales and still leverage marketing side, line to been ability do sales and top we’ve very pleased so

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been has for others. and inflation concern real media for a us So

some seen that obviously media that partners of You’ve Facebook work the and Google. like in reported we with,

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Bob Drbul

as legacy distribution doors, what some partnerships with a some of your performing this learning question of retail more you partnerships? you out as really is, sort you’re are one your new of little broaden the transpires? versus talk about how partners, And partners can your just bit guess I newer new

Philip Krim


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flowing on to them clip. And continues business really grow a priority that basis. We’re healthy inventory to a at

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We Brooke with from Sachs. Goldman Roach have question a

Brooke Roach

could of at the a you demand half thinking year what about how current XXXX? this the into you little trial provide Philip, that backlog focus bit delayed you’re rollout trial you that to partners. shaping door the of over of or talked satisfying premium sizing expansion any doors on look Can as on like and back

Philip Krim

It’s a great question.

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Brooke Roach

can to at wholesale price you’re Got the talk thinking it. about the versus continue ask chain the at and events, levering follow-up. your point? promotional capacity? And covered How constraints. promotional wondering capacity on strains, and at really But some you just versus ground could one lot been of was of website I select in with both decision a or fulfill on context higher helpful. your that partners That’s spend to of supply There’s also if the I a capacity choosing demand own the comment

Philip Krim

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Bank from America. Our from is next Nagle Curtis of question

Curtis Nagle

guess quick one relating to I the Just lease a charge.

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Philip Krim

Mike specifics, I’ll let the footprint. is it estate corporate real entirely answer related but to

Mike Monahan

to our moving this consolidated We Curtis, That’s is due Mike. Yes. hybrid true. footprint largely model. a to

work seeing that values. we’re that’s So what our and really workforce

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Curtis Nagle

how for about showrooms And year? the terms and this footprint growth year to for then in plans just think next of the

Mike Monahan

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comes question the from Nick of line Jones next Citi. Your from

Nic Jones

how have I on question. the I potential just thinking are There’s of buying consumers’ guess about, on Delta kind variant? home and frenzy I into then ran of checks ties kind been guess, focus the of the a that And that’s how out. mean distributed, you impact Stimulus of home. largely throughout high-level COVID. think I

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Philip Krim

recently. It’s been more a We’ve good question. certainly talking about

of really stress the COVID infrastructure. omnichannel I an think we’ve test seen benefits

this we’re to DTC it’s we expected deliver to quarter of that channel. consumer at very consumers matter way think than And retail last set are certainly continue the we’re up very were channel I behavior of as we does no growth that up as proud set our delivered Delta shopping. our partnership volatile growth robust. be I different X-year both we think on because And you And that was well that if pre-COVID. growth, dynamic So in well if look those we that generated the where our or the variant

still tell, behavior. what happen obviously, I will on think kind too of to shopping it’s early consumer

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Stanley. Morgan Schenk Your next comes of from from Lauren question the line

Lauren Schenk

to wanted ask. just I

at stock some of in in of the were conferences you later largely issues. think and I had of noted settling inside lot were staying sort industry part and that June a you the

or of so a a And structural confirming that then more sort path in So changed basis weeks that quarterly you’ll full was last one question of on change? of basis, sort that profitability, on something than the X on expectations been there like year ‘XX wholesale get in a has XXXX? just to there clarifying just sort the

Philip Krim


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Mike Monahan

year. we have we’ll the standpoint, to profitability as closer a get From more visibility

year visibility closer that and XXXX, more expectation supply full more on see into we that we’ll we get reach on next we’ll challenges during a for some of is once the year. Our have to chain get year necessarily basis, the profitability not clarity that but

we likely. we’ll of earlier, again, into of a the we’ll that As lot and enter we towards to position year, more of see subside, strength. have, that do But XXXX we will some a from this those challenges mentioned visibility end anticipate start


turn questions There would to are call Krim. I to the time. at this no back Mr. like further

Philip Krim

Thank and for everyone. support. a you joining today I safe. bye. us Thank continued and have your and you healthy you, operator, hope Bye, and you, thank good day for stay all


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