Babcock & Wilcox Enterprises (BW) 8 Nov 172017 Q3 Earnings call transcript

My name is Chris and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Babcock & Wilcox Q3 2017 Earnings Conference Call. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Chase Jacobson, Vice President of Investor Relations, you may begin your conference.

good and Chris, you, afternoon, everyone. Thank Babcock conference call. to & Wilcox earnings XXXX quarter third Enterprises' Welcome I'm Vice Chase B&W. at Jacobson, President of Relations Investor

Joining Apker, Jim Executive me discuss our Chief are Chairman results to this Chief and quarter and outlook. Financial Ferland, Officer Officer; Vice Senior B&W's Jenny third President and and afternoon

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Thank you, Jim.

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are the of positive first flow Renewable expecting second new-build free in the quarter year. outflow in look forecast completion for As we a and with projects quarter XXXX, into to the move continued balance as we the to returning cash our cash are closer

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you. for question one Jenny, And Okay.

burn think to to in this cash $XXX somewhere was estimate total, for call, there any that? of around terms prior I Is update the flow In XXXX million.

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Rob. Hi

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