Alcoa (AA)

James Dwyer VP, IR
Roy Harvey President and CEO
William Oplinger EVP and CFO
Piyush Sood Morgan Stanley
David Gagliano BMO Capital Markets
Chris Terry Deutsche Bank
Curt Woodworth Credit Suisse
Timna Tanners Bank of America Merrill Lynch
Matthew Korn Goldman Sachs
Lucas Pipes B. Riley FBR
Justin Bergner Gabelli & Company
Alex Hacking Citi
Paretosh Misra Berenberg
Andrew Cosgrove Bloomberg Intelligence
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Good afternoon, and welcome to the Alcoa Corporation third Quarter 2018 Earnings Presentation and Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to James Dwyer, Vice President of Investor Relations. ahead. go Please

James Dwyer

Officer. and Roy William, Officer; everyone. joined Chief I'm William Thank Alcoa good Corporation by Financial and President Harvey, Executive Executive President today Oplinger, you, Vice day, and and Chief

Bill. We will take questions after Roy comments by your and

reminder, Factors forward-looking relating in As to the actual that events may today's to various to differ will in are our and these presentation results included that cause today's expectations subject discussion statements materially assumptions future contain a filings. statements and and are from caveats. company's SEC

with prior to resulted in first Board’s addition, the presentation. quarter comparable a Also, well been into non-service moving updated included In and earnings and be to our for our have presentations some our EBITDA change the OPEB period we current on measures note today Any pension accordance out financial to costs such non-GAAP found statements, second directly means financial expense. presentations most Alcoa Financial EBITDA adjusted presentation. other consistent measures presentation the of with appendix our and as in costs. today's has periods this change EBITDA. the in financial can Reconciliations reference GAAP income the to the This Accounting in as today in of recent Standards discussion

on are Finally, that, Roy. release as earnings previously our website. With available the slide presentation and is announced, here

Roy Harvey

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and repurchase million $XXX $X.XX today on review XXXX is a we The the We we’re stockholders. or stock net details strategy’s net In we On of commitment our excluding million adjusted $XX program $X.XX proactively pleased pension our we framework a the share. of to our basis, of a success, net proof income continue share million to key allocation repurchase results. made cash debt. address As adjusted used our quarter liability. announce third million component we cash up program. we perspective, call, repay capital items, loss as more reported but provide an now, the a to a in a later basis net was third let’s to liability $XXX for quarter $XXX the and pension special EBITDA million, in further an quarter, XX% per billion $X OPEB On And balance. closed a or reduce items, generated year-over-year. with $XXX from both We’ll and to available special excluding our

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William Oplinger

Thanks, Roy.

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down million quarter $X.XX special metal adjusted sequentially, lower per third income due to Adjusted special was $XXX primarily $XXX Our EBITDA, was net items excluding million items share. prices. $XXX million, or excluding

the comparison third a impacted on quarter margin XX%. expenses other quarter, currency drive several well depreciation. statement Our as EBITDA R&D including was areas lower sequential as basis, note and lower helping of moves this Few on income items SG&A

the million in lower benefits increased $X higher netted foreign revaluation $XXX currency quarter that May. expenses. the offering to side, unfavorable to the closed million due third bond On other in Interest expense

mix quarter in the was of rates changed $XX increased to by XX.X%, the up as half year. Our prices catch million operational the rising first of our we rate tax recognized our and non-taxable taxable provision losses, the in earnings and alumina lower

mix the adjusted at of the Lower in aluminum change look third the in a take higher alumina prices metal decrease. EBITDA. price segment $XXX of and our drivers the million. provided million Positive in in The stronger our $XX benefits segment. sequential was drove primarily dollar costs of alumina quarter Let's currency

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While that's entire paid production the Section tariffs mostly not on Canadian XXX we Tariff story.

regional was Our Midwest U.S. benefitted the the premiums impact smelters Alcoa the of net million. $XX a quarter pushing tariffs tariffs in so to having of up tariffs from to not benefit compared

operational unfavorable $X the favorable bauxite, and lower currency segments to let's improved price EBITDA on and price the lower our adjusted index Alumina alumina offset metal $XX overshadowed by adjusted and from the Aluminum prices improved shift mix, improvement predict. and EBITDA primarily made segments. hydroelectric material the favorable mines. higher partially owned to down it improved costs. $XXX equity earnings segments, The of sequential currency million Now prices, accounting at the million mix In focus sequentially, corporate million, lower and raw difficult alumina prices higher spots the Bright volatile segment rolled energy but costs. flat inventory have were on and alumina products. strong Outside facilities Brazil impacts

from the outlook end, the $XXX alumina substantially prices at so two $XXX from For example, the September, to we’ve at last results weeks month dropped of actual in changed mid-month. provided

to cash. Turning

points balance use billion third balance of improve the to Our continue $X slightly business, strengthen to two cash and end to make sheet here. the the the at we over is quarter, cash available

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net pension on down capital continued X.XX XX% annualized year-to-date to EBITDA on OPEB our quarter, sheet, strengthen and $X.X we down is This at the liability billion times. and is balance an basis. to and to net Return strengthening to continues debt is

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discuss pension let's in OPEB. and the Now improvements

the at pension decrease XXXX second said, liabilities, and $X.X is $X.X down billion $X.X continue end of billion and the OPEB I liability end of to As down our from net we billion of from the net and at quarter.

actions net many our life and and for U.S. sensitivity of in liabilities interim pension million our liability demographic taken from All points our liability this Canada effective other factoring XXXX investment Taken be changes, the applicable this the pension a will throughout million. re-measured changes $XXX and pension our $XXX usually the change we end the plants almost net after re-measured every in discretionary quarter, $XXX the plants we annuitized is actions discount rate plan. of U.S., in year, insurance ceased we based rate our in liability salaried the as rates, these We taken plants funding to of retiree year-end, year. in in the U.S. our basis net approximately we for million in million actions performance, to million in factors, gross discount These and April and million, discount reduction XX that in reduced Canadian July, program. actions approximately XX% drove current related with the down at in re-measured $XXX do XX% OPEB $XXX $XXX actions, the the of plants re-measurements from changes and that's and we've on in change by contributed

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review let's XXXX. Now full-year the outlook for

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shipments Some million we've is ranges shipment year adjusted tons the Alumina, slight down tons alumina, Bauxite Bauxite XXX,XXX aluminum full unchanged. and changes shipments in & the in for X to outlook outlook outlook downward, in

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end to to be $XX $XXX projected, are year tax use to OPEB funding we some rate lower be slightly approximately approximately to range Australia Roy. the benefits. than back low And environmental $XX million also, expect million, the slower cash full what $XXX and turn port to down and is return-seeking spending expect full-year previous ARO spending $XXX to will expansion XX%, be previously expenditures million. pension it our capital of We is had million, the of lastly, required operational approximately I'll on currency down at million over minimum due Western we

Roy Harvey

look I'll our at begin a Thanks, Bill. markets. with

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Thank questioner you. today be with session. now Morgan Please the we the And Stanley. And go will will Instructions] first Sood Piyush question-and-answer [Operator begin from ahead.

Piyush Sood

Bill, a congratulations X% thinking a your a buyback not to buyback a a say, remaining of large strong what and buyback. a quarter. about regular small and and with dividend million starting was Roy plan, see the on Good $XXX through only mix

Just to thinking the want understand decision? behind the

Roy Harvey

Thanks provides of question, then in a since -- the talking the over over felt and desire, the Piyush. flexibility and us year, allocation dividend, it to a we've opportunity investors also, return reason for to lot shareholder on the we the being course it advantage to buyback of Sure. the we during a execute it. We capital upon announced provides that if is been the they framework last when of the favored And investors for take general, the that capital year.

ended with we the going So up buyback.

Piyush Sood

Fair from enough. back And get one me, the queue. more in I'll and

quaters. a Section we see in Tariffs and MCA signed, has could that possibility So is there converted the XXX into been calendar U.S.

your if So to floor think a point? it's more this premium come point the happens, that pound bill will that you this high expect cents does we what duty U.S. premiums? to assuming teens in do that import at paid Should like Midwest per down, at but

Roy Harvey

where honest, regional typically Piyush, other. question. Yes, To will I speculate don't one the direction the quite we or on premiums go be appreciate

be to highlight. focused continue to things We I'd very two on like

our of sure trying level market-based ensure of reel we're for with order very to in the so partners can China make Section it that that on kind ensuring States, XXX try exports and overcapacity, all trying in focused administration into global Canada that we're that, of to on we of that comes we a the we're elsewhere, to the the free applying Canada, economies we in around to we playing and sure right the -- in is make pressure important align and as Chinese First discuss also world United to focused and to on When field being possible. Tariffs, have production. States, tariff how deal have of increasing and the all most United with talk we're the and remains able can we're

think understand the I was somewhat the And also will unpredictable Canada. are this where it's the a United process Section so, where XXX whether issues MCA between as part up I but it's it's your separate States part or as whether resolved process, going, and of end to U.S. of question where

Piyush Sood

one comment. you to clarify Bill, more the million XQ mix we any this XQ, it's versus Alumina were a benefit and sorry question, XQ item a sequential other And thinking we is segment? And more in just bridge when making there is should $XX price bridge about exclude think non-repeatable?

William Oplinger

the I the $XX in was non-recurrence it's the pretty we've going And positive side think alumina of negative that of during the up difficult the will into million a mix prices quarter and end the second With said, having course volatility seen, had impact on benefit occurred million, predict. quarter, prices was in the out the third of that of $XX that shipments in million to the a quarter. $XX being price the depending fourth vary the what quarter. API with of

So in recur occurred you're the the say anything back out, I fourth. will not $XX the in to quarter if million that would going third

Piyush Sood

right. Thanks, on All And congratulations the guys. once again quarter.

Roy Harvey

Piyush. Thanks,


And Markets. our ahead. next questioner today Capital David will go Gagliano Please be BMO with

David Gagliano

relatively just a the three, wanted taking in for terms thanks questions, two the list numbers my I have cross here. of off or a but have Hi, to few a -- of I minor questions. just I

versus improvement EBITDA new quarter, second flat-rolled flat-rolled quarter-over-quarter contribution business that from EBITDA million $XX contribution is the all, of in level for reasonable of the First moving forward?

William Oplinger

quarter, there was -- really Yes, two and in the we but good it. saw flat-rolled things in third improvement driving

think of the is in that inventory that is year. we some into better from one-time flat-rolled targeting suggest that first which the I really Dave segment we're you did -- catch-ups to were flat-rolled, The quarters second volumes that in first would around have was positive impacts And sustainable. I the There's going two adjustments run were the half., basis. of the a around in little a the on vary may is result during as not seasonality and as in rate in flat-rolled year. level strong our That the flat-rolled business. the course half that second performance that we'd first typically million business be targeting business, quarterly of that $XX the bit XXXX of but

David Gagliano

Okay, alumina through give that's that then the us third Thanks. the flowed alumina -- -- quarter? could the cost you costs average aluminum segment And in just helpful. just

William Oplinger

have don't to have that you'll the after call. Jim with one, up I Dave, so follow

David Gagliano

could And profitability small two relative from realize give bit I us EBITDA the one, a perspective, want relatively frame I the benefits, most closures, but a basis was the shutdown? to contribution and of an the on I you Spain, those in on then will. however, were Okay, last perhaps you it from likely they framework around a smaller once quarter just recent smelters if to expected wondering even are

Roy Harvey

Dave process be starting just you're to it appreciate workers' doing. how discussions process honest, I Yes, Roy. this the of we're consultation It's is and formal quite for a the because -- question, very Spain, representatives. with

be to think would I now, changes right on too comment early quarter-over-quarter. it simply

discussion one we'll end the So, of that process. for a leave once reach we I future think that

David Gagliano

much. very Thanks Understood. Okay.

William Oplinger


Roy Harvey

Thanks, Dave.


Bank. with the Chris question. Please ahead questioner your Terry go be will next And with Deutsche

Roy Harvey

Hi, Chris.

Chris Terry

the smelting cetera. A Bill. and talk the detail XQ. the up et you electricity in following conversion Hi from through me, Can from there. around Hi on just I'm the costs just few carbon just Roy

I think the versus came expectations. that's of break where a analysts' lot

numbers gauge just of to XQ? into heading So a the trying get

Roy Harvey

we pitch million, the costs analysts' came to say in probably that's go we million is from side, we're expectations, We about maybe refining. prices areas look bit it, looking flattened less, at in from a where we hard we're products costs a far on on business bit Year-over-year, continue always expected. where it. about right? did little couple I -- talked business of be just the quarter. think them. the then lower that did we were a had not XXX flat-rolled came cost very people out the business of anticipated, as where And as year-over-year it's Yes, the and smelting in in line, around there have versus The material a as little refining where where we we are what bit, the smelting raw a Brazil a anticipating improvement So at But in than costs overall judge would very, smelting up. well essentially coke better bit little is was, bit clear, but third more seeing But, have against to prices little little to expected. seemed in $XXX business, is the taking down that that that hydros

Chris Terry

next actual for million just What's overall, buyback do dividend the realistic the Thanks And complete actually then about that buyback do expect buyback the Is there. and pension will to details the to you how actually that? Okay. that when year? debate. thinking in you decide timing $XXX the versus you it versus

Roy Harvey

we kick year that remind buyback was capital that will you part -- quarter. it program allocation in the fourth over we'll start an a I'd integral Well, off ago. it we the the announced of

timeline on excess talked quarter. the how given projecting the do including we'll we about return shareholders, point, million that above to million, we commitment to and we'll $X that was in we're of quickly be kicked return $XXX the at on the done holding we it get will done, after cash of cash sustaining it billion, various $XXX a $X do billion. had investors haven't would our of this a balance off but to liabilities, million optimizing And $XXX sheet So that committed having capital, things the fourth all

Chris Terry

I one-off one payments the Australian through last expect the the in -- result? fees coming quarter from me should fourth operations, guess the And any or just Western great. on there Okay, bonus are we

Roy Harvey

I'd have road in Western of ahead that still a we us Australia. say

payments, to. to agreement I think and bonus ratified have still to an we that we our need kind could get workers because on So agreed of speculate don't any

So still work some ahead on one. that

Chris Terry

I'll Thanks Okay. guys. leave it there.

Roy Harvey

Chris. Thanks,


And ahead with your from the Woodworth next go with question Credit question. Suisse. Curt Please

Curt Woodworth

Hi, good evening.

Roy Harvey

Curt. Hey,

Curt Woodworth

of my $XX went pie calculate given if quarter just ton, $XXX flat versus alumina do XX% drilling sort your structure for pie $XXX. that would to from chart just quarter you provide your a at smelters, And down it’s delta So, seems be the price the $XXX. looking breakout. chart at about the implied that little cost odd numbers delta per from alumina into alike And you it the cost a a

talk that you maybe part that’s a in to the that? have I can modeling, So of the delta feeling here

William Oplinger

yes, Yes, it’s but -- go model to you the walk call, difficult ahead. really on through essentially your

Curt Woodworth

be a cost the would sequentially. when quarters, XX% both you alumina massive had in Why inflation

William Oplinger

XX you look right. Well, API, if just lag at the of -- day the

impact in the So, alumina jump saw the yes, in we of that did the the smelters. quarter. alumina bit a lag on fourth see the third point, reflected is day of the quarter into had timing as quarter have this in an little bit a of We'll really And more third It in we dependent increase in the we our alumina results. a shipments are cost that into cost at little some in associated get fourth we quarter with up API. in of XX

Curt Woodworth

like of And It lag a -- Because a alumina. just API pretty of about guess $XXX, outside $XXX say then so the that's I on number, the going Okay. seems just is XX cadence the smelters it cost like big question delta. fine. call cost is forward in second thinking okay,

inflation think So assume quarter, XQ peak you think where flat was cost are? about up, stay get higher the kind I further or that coal-fired you If power this XQ do that flat, lags given into do we was we flat coke talked the pit of in you you are? Spanish going where

Roy Harvey

few and that well. additional maybe details you Bill jump hit as me a Let can in

the important the of going rest one on components, of North at in what's lot on factors look depend depends or is you when world. the America that energy around different markets on So will a and Europe power

a from pitch of two to year will off flattening conditions. and have on one a the our point Coke been environment reached that both rising last carbon over market are depend they where in have seem bit So half. materials and

so on growth water. both that the you those And sits structure you materials opposite. other what's we and aluminum environment relative for should inside And industry. China, or that would expansions additional you half If general with of to at these to it's those of going China to look today, cash a What operate of is over The that demand plants where of incentive negative start the aluminum. depends would in invest. caveat many for happening under stability means of when growth alumina, that pricing in components see also no might of with to full start to it little incentive outside and happening that those of the I to tied in where the point see certainly all are smelters cost some that I say very is And then make what's you're simply and continue but costs aluminum lot forward. means think we there price some is that about now at a see

I cash prices aluminum think supply the raw operate see continue a how without when you think, go to losses. in can't increase types reduction. to continue of there for with materials that look connect isn't of Because -- plants what's at So happening unless lot to up to to starting significant room these raw at a I really pricing environment the materials today

Curt Woodworth

Totally agree.

William Oplinger

prices should they've our we Pitch the the high. our put through little think in around around coke the should peaked business. of results And to pitch at stay some largely view flat, Roy should And off alumina finer start quarter, come has some the decline coke in prices been a in persistently bit it. for look instance, quarter. seeing we fourth we said has flowing as third out in When caustic point

Curt Woodworth

all right. really Thanks it. Got your time. Well, I for it, appreciate

Roy Harvey

Thanks, Curt.


questioner And Lynch. the ahead today go be Bank will Tanners Merrill of Please Timna of question. with your next America

Timna Tanners

Good guys. hey Yes, afternoon.

Roy Harvey

Timna. Hey,

Timna Tanners

was uncertain talk or because of RUSAL’s RUSAL of status a affecting to is perhaps Curious if negotiating operating of if bit could season that's about status the little the off factor. operating wondering I us First how you you. uncertainty a -- or

You you that are alumina their affected how being largest you elaborate the see world's extent then I'm you affecting uncertain. status that the you how on just can curious how that that and supplier to and near-term?

Roy Harvey

there the market. the so think will an I happen that Timna, around impact uncertainty with general Yes, whether is on impacts sanctions what RUSAL on

or stand And I are you us people how the enter into enter contracts. and on like have think into you can continue where of time we period we pricing impacts going are to where everybody so entering much else that a think contract. not how When trends about

that physical inability create if to you supply those assurance supply. them to product Western of an Because sanctions don't sell for However into of continue, any have going that's companies.

The just at our early what get contract. into with types subject because be supplier when call start very that us of arguments beginning of discussions to mating customers of to we're still the that we those and process. is from the So we XXXX they some supports our won't in see reliable that the elsewhere, season, and But aluminum perspective, fact pretty certainly these sanctions. a we're our as our

everybody's these so, to in some waiting seen still in premiums From also next standpoint, in increases say And I premium in critical I'd a is happens we've but North think Europe. both that America, weeks. see what

we're season into starting to go this next we the see As some well. as opportunities premiums in

beginning at come. period, so just critical the we're again, to of that more still Although

Timna Tanners

assuming not supplier second -- is reluctant mean, if a get can say those can more as that there in say smelters understanding of this getting that given in just kicked. your supply going if that uncertain RUSAL. you're that is aluminum you’re else alumina not supplier mean, depend likely -- you, to there's to benefit that to just something continues and is on? I'm I you're used on a it I because Or to you alternative Okay. an not as appetite some supplier or Is to negotiations not

Roy Harvey

shortness China market of specifically, important. so of think, for outside important I very but the alumina RUSAL the is Yes, also is also

longer there's particularly is interest do period basis six, that the these because on when but now over typical aluminum, quality twelve sell try us basis, places amount next important a it of contracting have we around instabilities because of there on a high of absolutely, that we term and interest. same we when three, uncertainty keep for But And certain contracts. cargoes that's supply have cargoes, around be think but type typically I of uncertainty an of So is the significant in we and and additional RUSAL, pretty other very we have year lot or API next also of cargoes available months. spot a uncertainty can forward to a where And look of either alumina. not the we number tends it's any

Timna Tanners

Okay, question, And I’m high aluminum. just alumina thanks. to level, relative my just price performance second continued this then out fascinated with

for alumina Chinese about this it mentioned And I seen You’ve while did economists also in but some the there’s producers just for And been U.S., are aluminum the talking a really China this here just your forecast wondering restarting we’ve despite high your are capacity know these while. in a results profitable. in prices. you’ve out? even And playing project not how I’m not

capacity, I'm So divergence of see discussed you do some point between the it we new just think a period are the stifles some wondering, at or as prices? restarts of that you could being a do think Thanks. commodity protracted

Roy Harvey

or mix alumina between The aluminum specifically alumina. aluminum So in and prices.

Timna Tanners

in these producers the right? Chinese divergence alumina that long can be pretty is producers vast that see not said in that and loss making, we can past talk hard hit long that about how restarting prices high economic? play to in how aluminum divergence, some cases, As you how these wondering I’m continues don’t despite The making make lost the out, just them producers U.S. can long

Roy Harvey

of So there’s market. a world difference and that the remember all first rest between the Chinese significant pretty of

in to that aluminum it’s not So are $XXX ton there’s that finding alumina. I cost a of we’re -- again, the Because the necessarily underwater that one slide world going and China. today, presented actually aluminum difference producers rest per back the it’s of the

rest then such because starting this And world connection to alumina is pull, starts It’s outside of for of China. that create creating price the supply export there this to market. high so it’s a

RUSAL. in that’s also happening all to certain like were on you upon just extent what’s Brazil Now asking predicated a

that open also inefficient cost very they laborious Alunorte when and refinery a process conditions. can a then it of from put It on question it’s go carrier. big really exports to out. can long a And get is the cut it’s restart to a how and again much So under big onto China to bulk dependent bags what can last, how bags

system. in So that it creating up frictions whole inefficiencies ends and

on? So to you hard it’s smelter think, in haven’t have inflation divergence be alumina of real very in alumina it reaction shown market how I And particularly when matter to where to operate, a that back there outside the supply a means this is long that a find aluminum it to no prices really really China. comes around opportunity an when it’s -- it’s that sell, but certainty stay of to those it that, cargos, spot makes will meantime, prices, like

Timna Tanners

Got you.

you. thank Okay,

Roy Harvey

Timna. Thanks,


questioner Matthew be ahead. next with the And will from go Korn Please Goldman Sachs.

Matthew Korn

of I want my some making thanks your over change years. you. had the primary, North for appreciate the in to of more a these in In end, where lift for question. has two-three Does taking in bit to of any that market markets. on of this view non-ferrous been scrap next aluminum the substantial as aggressive think markets the you particular, scrap are other metals at matter see go you’re there’s primary, for policy investing guys, Hey, users that calculus Do in use potential America looking secondary. into? metals selling question the of cost ex-Chinese does you for a China signals costs they their they import or the

Roy Harvey

Yes, and question. Matthew thank the you for

impact. an is the think have answer I does yes, it

the take that an specifically, -- U.S. that means scrap it is less the flows there example, the scrap the U.S. the China scrap you’re So available from more that plentiful as United inside less flows State to and

starting to metal. what see increase of is the you’re PXXXX an prime or so downwards discount change regular And to

so start and a to attractive bring where actually a starts that more because time their metal into avoid it to cost becoming process. them to actually that in way even as in, starting the increasing, happens, of bringing imports metal seeing And the to you’re scrap it’s use importing for the act and

of which down in it is the the than world. rest offset now is that the general the So, it metal does in price the U.S. do, it U.S., has been helps fact of the to by what bring for expensive production in more

an offset the of this order of I U.S. fill bit right metal the a -- to a because been impacts country. a have U.S. but in being that those right the aluminum more happening the think takes market, of or the because situation of It so there used consumption less elsewhere. such now, hasn’t so in imports some impact end significant that in of tariff are short up now. is more the that will of the China scrap are don’t many because And to

to the and of starts more more future. it into an impact have going So

Matthew Korn

it. Got

see the lot any Let going question China There pollution mix out up messages that applied are coming indeed there that the to been arguably of me another then. has on be on controls government follow a that this of with way the substantially play the over year risk for that restrains coming Do around out last being versus the production how and you if this winter season. case? might aluminum versus diluted alumina

Roy Harvey

including and we then all most into importantly, what balances and estimate incorporated XXXX we’ll Yes, our so balances, best and the curtailment. of the our have winter first particularly XXXX also incorporate our into impacts

important more but winter that argue less in being the that, operational your last winter important of and enforcement much changes I’ll the the also the first to think we curtailment than time, is the curtailments expect important second curtailments they program same year. were be lesser winter was China, in well I At two the permit. the taken of point was

that there the what is to permits shutter new unpermitted before capacity inside any are is that China. the serious bring existing down older still or So, ever I capacity requirement transfer is start impact operating to or those can order has biggest in think fact it expansions of

yes, in a lot been start winter of of bauxite was enforcement bauxite controls be does so bauxite the constraining that’s China. that bring already action about. seeing down as long think export part there’ll But China more and talking a seeing lot less alumina to is what they it’s to of up field. also that permit, we’ve are a the operating cost already level bauxite of path less inside of of point is environmental already active, I mines more it those again, that tend And we’re permits think incorporated balances, have this I continues so practices, the aluminum ensuring pretty into that work but our inside we’re So playing well as place. now curtailments, operational And of refiners for following in it create

Matthew Korn

appreciate it. luck. Best Got it. of I

Roy Harvey

Matthew. Thanks,


today Please [Operator with Riley B. ahead Instructions] our And Pipes questioner next FBR. go with be will your Lucas question

Lucas Pipes

strategy. Thanks, for and taking progress bit lot on And optimizing my quarter. and great questions on I a job this liability. capital of your your Roy you've a to little Bill allocation follow-up made wanted

you obviously But we excess between continue about and returns and into XX-XX pretty look in as XXXX, capital $X liabilities is market a cash has to it split if should conditions of optimizing billion? think So volatile. been of

William Oplinger

allocation through and potentially and for Lucas, early we'll come us for longer program XXXX. a in XXXX XXXX Yes, with than let get XXXX out capital even

on achieved the still capital we the to addition execute goals delevering. of be the returning the have talked about the fact -- to we XXXX, in they buyback through go $XXX we'll shareholders once to we share that once program of cash further all We've As allocation million.

have So still that do. we to

at like. XXXX through allocation early we'll the look let you get and us know what XXXX let what see So balances the the end looks and program XXXX of like

Lucas Pipes

the I more think quarter. fourth and year on cash the correctly, the at XXXX. end If half quickly more of I And recall even in really the second balance you maybe of in generate the

cash do So have sense rough shake at the guidance, repurchases where midpoint a out XXst. would your you of excluding any balances share December

William Oplinger

We've excess that guidance what the $XXX would above further about provide repurchases But program. on and talked tell we We splitting announced an don't you share $X billion is between million exact that. I cash delevering.

a it cash end any So before indication pretty share give good you should anticipate of repurchases. we where to

Lucas Pipes

okay. Got it,

William Oplinger

lot of cash [indiscernible] we typically in fourth fourth you're as generated quarter you cash back quarter. our And even part right. at in the of a lot a if look quarter generate of fourth We the

Lucas Pipes

detail. the appreciate Well, you. right. All I Thank Okay.

Roy Harvey

Lucas. Thanks,


Company. will your question. go with be questioner with And Please Gabelli Justin next ahead & our today Bergner

Justin Bergner

that's Thanks $XX being the fitting is I the in how history. million to due which in. recent is me XXXX. much step about quarter of of in anything and factors? higher in guys alluded much, you just much run-rate of flat-rolled, to guess Warrick Because related run-rate that than up for a much that to restart How per obviously other The profitability

William Oplinger

I of Yes, of that smelter. to less the have the of related breakdown restart But say I than the would don't exact the half percentages. is

in pounds mill our from to XXX are and to the forward. higher million it going We of the we the mill. pounds been of year see have that million through from grown process shipments see We've of mill. results and got volume that stability this a out returns we'd over of when it growing lot XXX would put out of And to stability of and to like able like

XXXX. So I'd future bright can rate projecting that mill than that do and going at run-rate. personally has better believe a And about into that

So today. we're at that's where

Justin Bergner

to benefit question, bump this what mentioned a net you you you one heard that? the from million And to or correctly. additional assume get that, I great. tariff if $XX then regime did Okay, think calculate did Midwest How you quarter, I

William Oplinger

I the bump. front probably of costs have what don't calculations make on guessing a of I'm basis. gross benefit. million around is improvement me, can from $X.XX the $XX I had the in $XX pretty $XX simple. the but would a around What that's the revenue you But the you basis in year-over-year premiums. Midwest improved higher a that's million see tell don't which math we benefit have premiums, I a of $X.XX roughly million roughly And and on

Justin Bergner

questions. taking for Okay, you thank my

Roy Harvey

Justin. Thanks,


next the question. be your Citi. go today Alex ahead with Please And questioner will Hacking with

Alex Hacking

Roy Hi, and Bill.

Our answered. were main questions

from later. So and a follow-up I'll refrain asking Thanks. Jim with question

Roy Harvey

Thanks, Alex.


from with be Misra go your ahead Berenberg. Paretosh next the will And Okay. Please questioner question. with

Paretosh Misra

guys. Hi,

Roy Harvey

Hey, Paretosh.

Paretosh Misra


a couple just quick ones. So of

caustic that So you baked know the the assumptions all the for you in guidance are on one can call. quarter? and dollar provide But already if don't fourth your I the said that

William Oplinger

believe me the and Aussie in per Don't the front dollar caustic of number I have se $X.XX. is

Paretosh Misra

available bauxite Got then opportunities bottlenecks? what the what on side, and of are is permitting or the still bauxite business, growth Is in what it or second Australia it. infrastructure the in that? And the you kind have

Roy Harvey

a for the that very going so what a bauxite, make prices is any us want to are need we first important moment customer we at believe quality is caustic other is where growth we to and sure project high at that high. most to particularly Yes, end the pay reliable we fair that value have for

customers there quite been couple partnerships. part out of and what them and over to the are simply, years So work there ways those and with we've build is last doing to finding

Western our that's positive in particularly, an production. very million. operating Australia order the ability permit Australia, So have thing. have Right up to now In to increase we $X.X to export we

to mine get from then to very customers. lower coming make need But X.X renew it in economic that that million up we the the a can able do our logistics about and of have some bottlenecks, year. also to do way, essentially port it will tons we’re a cost to close at -- the an to out. logistical economic We over But the get to we sure

growth that process we permitting still And fact, planning makes there. attractive it once on investments that we that see the that we’re So some finish some making in can financially. in more

also We that depends we business freight and the prices Paretosh. that happening to with forward and It helps think attractive -- consistent and you. a on Guinea in make bauxite. qualities the have of very that a rates opportunities Thank I delivery in bauxite again, Brazil. bit going have of what’s But

William Oplinger

it Paretosh, And $X.XX. I check is did

Paretosh Misra

you. thank I see,


be Intelligence. questioner question. your go last ahead And Please with Cosgrove today our with Bloomberg will Andrew

Andrew Cosgrove

question. Thanks my guys. taking Hi, for

kind prices your costs your back costs Asian they’ve Asia caustic, recently those to Is how Northeast or come the aluminum into on seen? costs collapsed play the considering looking as to the in we -- Just implied might of it just compared XXXX. alumina assume throughout more fair that drop Southeast back mid-XXXX XXXX, and we and move saw quickly how at that we’ve

Roy Harvey


seen of peaked Asia $XXX caustic the does prices kind out this metric the from and in of from we’ve quarter of sharply year in at last That’s fourth beginning the year. and have and up a downward hard it’s very ton at say, not caustic we have trended seen there. bifurcate quarter But what and of aggregate third this to between world. So rest

have we costs. lag about on caustic that six-month So a our

to earlier they that will, continue continue prices the will see to those come we’ve prices continue we seen higher So year. they’ll in the But assuming downward, to trend down.

Andrew Cosgrove


to double -- just Just check wanted that.

you. any thank Appreciate Won’t keep Okay, guys longer. it. you

Roy Harvey

Andrew. Thanks, Good.


would our session. Okay. to And over now Harvey I question-and-answer will remarks. for conference turn the Roy to any back conclude this like closing

Roy Harvey

I’d like again, Good. for thank us today. Once to joining everyone

our to priorities strategic drive anniversary and As we we complexity, focused month, approach on returns, two sheet. balance strengthen our reduce next year remain the

Our foundation today. and clear company William, and even we to our strategy future. solid will is an our continue much that brighter build working stronger to you, back Thank you. over for upon is It’s


Thank now all you, Thank your today’s concluded. you and for the may lines. you this disconnect has conference now time attending at presentation. And