Alcoa (AA)

James Dwyer Vice President of Investor Relations
Roy Harvey President and Chief Executive Officer
William Oplinger Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Curt Woodworth Credit Suisse
Matthew Korn Goldman Sachs
Chris Terry Deutsche Bank
David Gagliano BMO
Lucas Pipes B. Riley FBR
Timna Tanners Bank of America
John Tumazos Independent
Paretosh Misra Berenberg
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Good afternoon, and welcome to the Alcoa Corporation Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2019 Earnings Presentation and Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. of President Vice Dwyer, Investor Relations. James ahead. go Please

James Dwyer

Chief I'm Thank Roy by Officer; William President everyone. and you, and good and and Vice Executive Shawn, joined Oplinger, Officer. Harvey, Executive today Chief day Financial Alcoa President Corporation's

by We and after Bill. Roy will questions take your comments

and are and actual reminder, events statements caveats. from in may the discussion Company's Factors to and SEC to today's subject differ in these are a filings. contain forward-looking that that As relating today's presentation to results materially statements included will future expectations various assumptions our cause

financial In most addition, adjusted EBITDA. we today measures measures the have in GAAP Any comparable today's presentation. included can the discussion some reference to to EBITDA found our in non-GAAP appendix to Reconciliations means financial be this directly presentation. in

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Roy Harvey

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that [ph]we XXX about Comeau agreement Baie a First, employees. at covers secured six-year

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in XXXX and our alumina We markets, bauxite in bauxite for for global a in Finally, see and XXXX and balanced a slight alumina. surpluses for and surpluses deficit aluminum. market ended aluminum ahead in

review more the We will and discuss after topics these Bill markets results. the provides detailed other of on a

over So to with it that, I'll turn Bill.

William Oplinger

by XXX.X shares In quarter, on aluminum net again million $X.XX XXXX Corporation alumina lower $XXX Alcoa for statement, X% the and quarter the partially realized million $XXX attributable prices revenues income sequentially alumina to our charges the the aluminum, Year-over-year, average share volumes. $XXX or were for or Reviewing down loss due fourth prices. to drove revenues million million offset improved compared of and lower declined quarter. restructuring to Roy. Thanks of per on

non-controlling Comfort components million OPEB by offset $XXX of after-tax and this interest. costs million related Special interest and million quarter the Point interim quarter alumina items of our tax the Texas pension favorable non-controlling refinery, in changes, key to charge restart and The fourth the $XX were related million $XXX and closing totaled Bécancour partially $XX to impacts.

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driving look at EBITDA. Let's closer factors adjusted

alumina aluminum This $XX million materials the respectively. for and $XX cost raw adjusted lower million quarter prices down partially lower impact of and offset Lower alumina aluminum EBITDA market prices. drove and

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balance look take at the sheet. a let's Now

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year's in days total quarter. even days was a days capital level fourth quarter fourth than XXXX. $XX million to controlled three We spending capital lower Our down and with $XXX working sequentially million last XX

year $XXX last a balance balance. debt key ending adjusted to Our lower from proportional cash increased sheet net metric due primarily million

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we XXXX cash Also of second $XXX half and those in made prepayments XXXX. $XX we in we refineries that expect contracts total contracts the XX% or year for million half net and and impact second WA XXXX XXXX to cover to and These compared the requirements gas XXXX Australia million the In higher cash Australian the Australia of in cost of for announced in to XXXX. natural contracts the to related payments our to XXXX. refining see of XXXX Western expect begin Western cash cost X.X% the prepayments gas increase we

So to back with it turn you I'll Roy. that,

Roy Harvey

Bill. Thanks

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ready Bill take and are that, to questions. with your And I


with from you. Thank Credit Suisse. go ahead. Woodworth Please Curt question first will come [Operator today Our Instructions]

Curt Woodworth

Yes, thanks. evening. Good

Roy Harvey

Hey, Curt.

William Oplinger

Hey, Curt.

Curt Woodworth


that items from about this bit And talked of of So, any cash corporate the number being as of be cash what's you feel normalized? How costs to restructuring what is is some as Bill, little that question? well the year of $XX in transformation to kind restructuring, then between million year. my you or a try of well for as would Bécancour get Comfort, non-recurring just much for through kind first you first kind one could startup Point of this walk

William Oplinger


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those in numbers also. included that's So

items. those So the big are

closure is you XXXX then transformation, curtailment manage you was our go When XXXX between is the sites XXXX those big in swing Afobaka sites. as that where transformation, of and know, we and to The world that dam had approximately facility. around XX the for the Suriname we revenues producing

have dam government to back Suriname, that. We have of handed we and the that subsequently won't so

million and of Afobaka dam. approximately So, $XX the between difference $X million that is impact the from $XX million

In starting Comfort. to we are that, Point addition on now money spend to

take And so, into will spend as money. Point closure, we Comfort we

And 'XX. biggest to so the in difference dam 'XX that bridges Afobaka and that's addition in driver, that the

out. you enough there help you So to have color we given

Curt Woodworth

helps That the helps. guess then respect to question market. And second with the I lot. that Yes, a just is

And cost forecast pretty you we're that year, you that and it for had came know, China not clear the out looks curve have is growth I maybe aware X%, think X.X% of know, meaningful to capacity X% You of downward in to like. totally all entering revision. the well a plenty and with a they which excess

days dramatic at when you inventory the price XX% situation what couple fourth China a is month year, you semis and until, flat [ph] high. the up semis worsening of XX you were But in and reduction, down was arguably exports pretty a overcapacity at kind actually despite quarter, happened exports the in know, this look ago, had shipping

kind think, maybe a pretty concerned semis demand, you sharp overwhelm global kind the – to you're And forecasting but the how year, transpired you it be in So, is like seems did the supply are certainly looking if not terms have helpful? yet you do in guess, sort thought and piece piece, reacceleration at price the on ex-China still it would what of could this China seems you 'XX could I of you the think Because now walk affect have you very that. pressure in it through of seems would know, of market. would on China like

Roy Harvey

Yes, Curt.

me -- hit let So your question. we answering couple me a try make and let sure of – sure I'm pieces make in and and that can

So, see are when where I of there look essentially, as from the mean, some differences of it that into the, China. essentially that, semis and from is you at from the you that that happened have is world back semis, pulling demand But coming I China, see perspective – of I that grow I these quarter-on-quarter. recognize concerns as one rest the

tends of pull in to both products coming mostly that production and that the scraps is where built these up export then pull demand their that tune more and to of rather from fabricated semi semi to the the business their the primary, fabricated so am policies demand to the I concerned is products. incentivize fact to incentivize comes primary – way the and metal, but basic is they've just selling from industrial that the not it of And rest they world. from And or growth

capture and out first to just value products it's meant basic to those it's products, taxes Just – for essentially those the coming offered added set China. rebates of the of

consumption the of China interacts and inside so, aluminum And down and or whether coming coming from supply comes actual demand how it primary with of and across from that outside or China. then aluminum all to aluminum both that is the of of scrap

I China, connected between In of are outside are it's inside with back the market, there motivated policies. pricing are think the global but China a think economically these end, I and distortions of and and they distortions

which supply own demand is when so, semis, two products fabricated the back with the they semi look two we operate of reconnects have marginal that setting to worst set both the there, cases, happens China's, capacity tend portions and it fundamentals, markets their and China fake but at And it in still those it in markets, brings around is continue what of connects the seen price and but essentially the in to the smaller those world. and we

and we also we producer as certain that in And in extent, serving of see role that marginal see aluminum well. a China alumina to

from years this market in I trade the look balance we couple demand certainly a ratcheted where look thing And back were up little broader as at a bit at mean, policy both most So, risks not the which perspective, of today, see to important we is again. they we ramp ago. and that that as and tensions, trade a obviously down back

change have automotive we construction, question, as You you over where circling think of evolve. know, your beginning I of those housing we highlighted very can growth Curt, and confident to how back year. think metrics I in feel this whether aluminum it's the – on the depending demand or out as and Europe, coming projected But we that China inside in look with construction at of actual data coming fairly out,

are fact to the that risks would I is I this that estimate the to like think there also now. upside, we recognize the but have best right

Curt Woodworth

of I subsidies semis, regarding what rebate substantial semis? export there negotiations, government dialogue deal that are get mean, they amends pretty the make trying in with the clear, massive any terms communication has of any the on sort or for around trade to the been on

Roy Harvey

those a impact we our understand they make to set obviously, subsidies portion time we good how that of a U.S. the the market. sure important sure of very jurisdictions the spend we discussions trying educate where happen to all So to as in in make fact produce

an the can it or that report be. helped we've as third-party, things independent think publishing of that to into best of put independent numbers the which I from is the has had OECD one as

markets into as think has aluminum, subsidization quantify connects primary but downstream just well. to I demonstrate – the then works that into and that into not it over those fabricated the explain, – how into helped semi how that and

I great So U.S. EU we've It delineated Japan, see is step a the actions good have explaining a the again, first need real but done and just that it yet the a what necessarily to this between it, I first pushes now is to correct will agreement we about think action step. doesn't it. yesterday the right with we've, And and think the starts us make the job direction, difference. in but announcement

a beginning, a beginning. it's So, just good but

Curt Woodworth

comments. Great, I appreciate your Thank you.

Roy Harvey

Thanks, Curt.


Please come Carlos question Stanley. go [indiscernible] Morgan with next from will Our ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Thank you very the question. much for taking

USMCA. related to first the is So, one

just or it concern that I'm not the even happen, to on and over the it exports did region new I'm Given aluminum the in but the of as you text, China, to time receive you need required the maybe pour new for melt the aware that not the they in semis expressed aware did the from the steel. of is impulse that agreement benefits

the there will done test is kicks signature going of but to years. of signing which that to it any add in protect they to the final in, Roy? years the field the when not what it it reason it similar seven be And of definitely Seven the producers Was in have something is three why some countries? the been after have maybe included - in the may would possible agreement

last in then U.S. and transport could alluded second us I give to see XXXX you how you if and just transport to some end wonder I better my the North demand nothing different as versus growth in may, construction is And America? the that China, markets the is in outlook you mentioned but Europe comments in you gain year, question, if on,

Roy Harvey


the minds USMCA trying they to figure the clear negotiators conclusions. and exactly the hit to into me let look out first I'll their probably to steer how came of So, of

think improvements. I know, there are You incremental

you – North expectations where when in the it short think you the as growing but produced positive whole been. fall of I that USMCA, could have it think is and about does, mentioned, on it I for of manufactured think America,

explain relative log and is into Why that think beyond ability put the interests that to lobbying is case, I the is action, my clearly. how of

on it I whole, think I is – is think it the positive.

Canada in positive been more particularly. have to the liked given have and U.S. footprint would we course, even our Of

hit you second On about the your and question the growth hit the particularly main you in demand U.S. my – outlook points.

green some particularly seeing transportation. in Europe, we're think in I shoots

will markets. I growth again we've not corner the think to our as that as the seen U.S., China come think in starting we've I back. turned end In see yet far

just is therefore we're seeing pick that point think perspective, I manufacturing improve. fact a actually catalysts that a actual are from there's look see at we markets, across aluminum perhaps of up, that where to we the as we're these starting start into different turn the not to my orders. But not look yet see to there each - as and and across,

out alluded sanctions we that see U.S. well, U.S. market And started have some normal remember premiums with also, all the it, to those as of difficult they have the and the because signed to Because value into though there the were from been think also of season which [indiscernible] I beginning market elevated it's have at year, pay a the coming added Bill there contracts. duty. the and both to as standpoint in about was imports mix. it's talked in even a where we the premiums, last back Midwest additional during product we've

we I well. for change. are in there it turn positive Again, seen seeing we've yet and think still comes U.S. it's when haven't catalysts So, to and that our demand value-added headwinds - the we're – not premiums as

that the for the think advance gives recent Phase us developments more part of particularly seen we've as towards I catalyst with China, quickly. we start improvements think I the and happening to X that deal,

However, is this Carlos. we've right estimate now, best got the

Unidentified Analyst

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Roy Harvey

Thank you.

William Oplinger

Thank Carlos. you,


will come Korn Goldman ahead. question Please Matthew next from go with Sachs. Our

Matthew Korn

everybody. Hey, evening, good

Roy Harvey

Matt. Hey

William Oplinger

Matt. Hey

Matthew Korn

for you, Bill. A question

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William Oplinger

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to rate. no that tax end getting that, how So, you have benefits that's high we up essentially and

Matthew Korn

it. Got

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Roy Harvey

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the is guess me, at be hazard to that going I some to more about as not that would become it discount to a will point, believe that I because is it talk growing in we trend what reason is that number at but importance. premium or So that real, a more think is this point.

Matthew Korn

saw? something much also is in how emphasize you could economics. environment quarter tied Last Sustainability you it. and Got

So, watching develops. Thanks guys, as we'll market good this carefully much very luck. be

Roy Harvey

Thanks Matt.

William Oplinger

Matt. Thanks


Our from Deutsche ahead. Bank. next with go Chris come Please question will Terry

Chris Terry

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from million You the should transaction. $XXX Springs get Gum another

of do most you up you your upper end if then sales of billion million target, $XXX $X And billion, the take that. reach $X asset

step a lot to that not the correctly? how goal? lightest that that in and you cash two allowed I flow. actual there's I just So, reading for goal, four-year Am you that to wanted through saying

William Oplinger


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a $X.X So, would billion that if the say sitting we XXXX, we're at there, at end of net start that debt calculation.

off targeting, So, need that $X.X would come get to of we're billion. we to that to that level

into and of you of all, X.X% level that from to to was and said three We don't and substantially bunch get minimum one where two return U.S., across that, are. assumptions assumptions passed. first is we they tell change in originally I'll to five-year big what target are expected X.X% those world, the but required now year hit assets, target, simply have parts four-year making today, the on our built U.S.; of making rates we a that a other what pension has varies Essentially are by it the for a discount We debt number, because net can our contributions. a of that There's

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layer bottom or we've level of executed that list. nearly half on now So, – of the asset end sale of

want cash it in $XX We model to have $XXX then XX, want that'll Page year, is on million projects model small cash be the that's So, sustaining capital that capital $X we million. the allocation seeking use that to will billion sheet. capital right? We business do on of the balance clear, return want invest to this in redeploy year. we pretty and this allocation So in

down at to the beyond And four returning the projects will be essentially mid-size cash free then large- bottom, for the the have, used shareholders. cash we portfolio, any that items repositioning excess that, growth reduction, and flow debt the the

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Chris Terry

I a side. just of Okay, the had helpful. That's on cost thanks. follow-up couple

down you and XXXX we on move side just and first you the into want some As step the that's future business. about, the thinking of through some across this opportunities, the particularly think the already, your but then could you've cost gone business, through over just if as all of quartile of course towards aluminum about to wanted the in

So, you carbon energy, XX discuss could caustic say over cetera, just Thanks. directionally next, maybe et the XX if to months?

William Oplinger

we then quartile. us help about that will I'll things can some hit other more first and first Sure, the of piece drive that materials raw the towards talk broadly

and that significant but know, cost this materials we we at in history did is XXXX, back in raw large headwinds saw XXXX You see ancient increases. point,

a where we that that materials XXXX. raw saw amount in would back of of of million $XXX what materials. I would production project should we is in XXXX tell raw larger was of some materials in raw that approximately year reduction than in XXXX accelerating we that you XXXX, I is captured XXXX. see the in

carbon the is That's first caustic second lower two from That's prices. in coming areas. and then prices in

we last some seeing costs are years. that of come back over the we seen So, that few higher have

As going far to first to things. portfolio that's as quartile, a two combination the addressing be down the repositioning of of the

the that really million curtailed. will refineries the and side we to business either We've have of that looking then, only to smelting incremental on the also. in And drive not capacity we're this, metric improved start about on the in smelters, said but savings, Roy X.X is have. energize be and more of or speak can to that to First, productivity asset the we cost addition sold review tons that, significantly, our

Roy Harvey

this to our I in we're - just managers market that portfolio. part very Chris, little think trying add what clear and operating with year's all I and of I this binary point, model the about for And of every plant one we and bit belabor we've plants. do we to are being to change I on with But last is make it. sure market, But what looks stability won't of our each of success like won't year's a to towards last regained as Bill's look a across think lot

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looking confidence I problems to up some are actually of our improvements of improvements and we're make at see we've in it's we're that fresh operating sure there. new team So, And and being a last decade. real ends think have our that lot cost people efficiencies. determined in I productivity we in improvements to determined - the for on working that been the end have that

in - it's XXXX that, come beyond. things to most one of we'll certainly important on and more doing the it So, but Chris, is really be

Chris Terry

thanks, so guys. Okay,

million go-forward, is as CapEx that? XXXX The is in that - items XXXX, if million $XXX Thanks. versus Just may. beyond one sustaining we CapEx for of other $XXX of there right, guidance that expect more in should million is $XXX I the well or

Roy Harvey


the XXXX. million, in one Both and in XXXX mine $XXX XXXX. So will XXXX, and down put Brazil, characterization just in in the between We've difference in up around got be Australia are million those full $XXX be the swing we in one XXXX of big just two starting will wrapped some XXXX mills. to spend in

moves of it. next in provided couple segment, haven't an elevated outlook that's We mine think the have on bauxite past for I years at will and XXXX but the spending what's driving so the least we

Chris Terry

me. That's all thanks. from Okay,

Roy Harvey

Chris. Thanks

William Oplinger

Thanks Chris.


Gagliano Our Please ahead. with from go David next BMO. question will come

David Gagliano

just thanks of ones. fairly taking have questions. couple Hi, I for good my a

the that volume how that the decline how in due price much much million, is and bauxite seasonal quarter-over-quarter to of on First, business, of on is $XX decline EBITDA decline? due the to the

William Oplinger

piece so intercompany side, of biggest Out million, is from two-thirds picked third tell I intercompany two-thirds out seasonal lower probably coming the of that the that, both The the price decline clearly a price, of the Dave. you million, $XX is is $XX would has volumes. And and external the is of pricing. up and on refining but

David Gagliano

Okay, and then just a question. related

driven just much for rate this price segment at run decline As forward we that reasonable point, that about I'm assuming piece correct? think that that's is pretty modeling moving moving forward purposes,

William Oplinger

we pricing couple bauxite internal reset typically unless that there's last years. We changes, once really a over seen XXXX. for a Yes, the in move which major year, haven't marketplace of the

assume think I yes, XXXX. So, for that

David Gagliano

question stay assets, volume X%. aluminum. slightly a bigger calling When a to should of we curtailment be to X.X question, prices for identifying the under of fairly global to Obviously, my continue of specific my in shipments other they through backdrop year-over-year soft at primary I great. consider for party surplus really about picture. in premiums much X% XXXX, then is XXXX fade? terms how get look we Okay, to move but there's if million growth cautious for tons restart, X.X without of as that imply And Bécancour and realistically targets I third review

William Oplinger

and of in it's market those dynamics light difficult quickly. fairly to fact are Comfort be you of Yes, the XXXX looking we'll will really, range bottom that to it's really point that announced the our we sales. the there of of decisions - are already fairly those executed can I made to end already in and XX look answer, the clearly, at announced really closure be only closed and least on asset at plants on at Dave. the have When portfolio, high strategy, cost in nearly half some have the we days Point or

at would economics run the we I look tell you, market look So, we'll fairly look make rate we and at plant, at each we current and expeditiously. the decisions environment


ahead. go Lucas Our FBR. with next Pipes will question Riley come B. from Please

Lucas Pipes

structure afternoon Hey, appreciate the question plant Thank contribution quick any agreed Springs generating sort a of – be and under the this EBITDA I everybody. I color was you. you under current good Is Gum to that the sale-leaseback would so, have would that this on akin transaction. on if or a what plant that. follow-up to?

William Oplinger

as And Veolia. our of had, sale Yes. in EBITDA an XXXX, a we a indication and as out in the of had of gives to to is improving to XXXX. the and It a far you sale, million. is contribution sale-leaseback. not contribution planet financials. We breakeven It a good $XX lost be kind the Gum Springs out it's plant use That of pretty

We do have a processing mid-term contract for spotlighting. and

plant have So, deal is good a are also for that number to bright the taking our going by It know the are grow It's good our a a be today for also deal It owned really for a years, to plant. will my it's a this good they going future. that that capabilities gets and the deal. but Alcoans shareholders, our good the gets a deal Veolia SPL plant, it's company but to that's a employees from perspective, Alcoa. of be for we

good So, I think really a it's transaction.

Lucas Pipes

profitability very And a plant? helpful. That's certain it's number you're of guaranteeing not to like the

William Oplinger

sending mean, CL a number I be a level. are but not. guaranteeing there our years, of absolutely profitability No, we we not will for

Lucas Pipes

and That's of very it best helpful. luck. I appreciate

Roy Harvey


William Oplinger

Lucas. Thanks,


Tanners question of go Please will Timna America. Bank next come ahead. with from Our

Timna Tanners

Happy New Hey, Year. Yes.

Roy Harvey

thanks. Timna, Hey,

Timna Tanners

thanks. there, Hey

a on clarify. follow-up a few I to wanted just points So

talks and in lines, forward? along energy far smelter think us closure? that or If yet on startup then the to terms complex of the Portland could still subsidies, come already those are benefit how and the And in being you an about give for how along same the complex of terms going Bécancour we update to Spanish

Roy Harvey

deal out the in was agreed of Essentially to Portland. deal. on to we'll start me a X.X go let that that the And So, middle year we XXXX.

is moment between a And and need time, or to there solution so that eventuality if that now there if particular another we in plant. is repowering for in see

of is priced markets with good is So, a it's government, operates discussions in It highest a good of plant technology. to the – energy it very midst be the It stably. the that most planet. just very on happens one

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those for good is a of around system. the situation some that to reestablish And following us also lockout takes for workers, Bécancour good – a an pleased we're It our having care. lot an best it to of and is this be it. been have employees. environment happen startup We're that having it's important But XX connections we've very important where been months. with we very our far, a Those so with I've

is to positive track. how So so the progressing, really see on that right

William Oplinger

an numbers of we after and some XXXX, said half XXXX. to around in On million million announced Bécancour, we tax spend throw half we would me first $XX $XX million million let of when Yes, $XX to in the Timna, Bécancour $XX second that. additional restart, the

loaded than actually we what has are been – a more We spending backend anticipated. the bit little probably

$XX first So, Bécancour, XXXX. at the about we that million second pushed half to spent of the gets in half

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since assets. have won't in hit clearly, XXXX, we own EBITDA don't we that the So,

known go We quarters. $XX still who some about that's partner, to partner, be people bought million our that are payments done over as who And that have out next the to the has six it, to have partner. our

that million still next have we outflow the cash So, over that's quarters, six and total. XX

Timna Tanners

Okay, super helpful.

William Oplinger

that Hope helps.

Timna Tanners

$X taking know wanted back, step the is, about cash talked I you. a then thinking another question in that's about above And great. past, to you've just at Yes, returns $X to ask Thank I shareholders that into to like in also seems sheet. level, a billion cash obviously, it and on balance above next getting terms billion close you're And lot of cash requirements of the year. but

updated a So, start any or want on to about couple quarters to want a $X to or those hit how about and for think changed billion you you you you it, I just is or thinking – position think returns? that how that priorities Thanks. cash

William Oplinger

billion to between as one level, last cost some are cash, repositioning get quarter. but that those haven't And balance changed. If items. are announced the is some you there cost balance. that the us us we we'll $X portfolio we'll capital said, clearly of things the allocation the cash, we as Yes, The will same going priorities the four to model the

What the that tell the towards environment towards. the to I we contribute fairly we contributions the in and generated generated again, quarter third you made fourth tough know, time pleased I we would These and cash you quarter. is, are, with was market the generated things we all in same fact personally needed cash we at that cash the

mandatory for quarter. fourth So, pension in contributions the our we required instance, made

-- is in would you that year. quarter an end I the from the cash of tell the the bright of perspective, balance So, at the spots one overall was

Timna Tanners

again. Thanks enough. fair Okay,

Roy Harvey

Thanks, Timna.


Independent. Our ahead. Please Tumazos, next question from John go comes

John Tumazos

China? elaborate a you bit more which year. aluminum the on or Could markets Chinese last vehicle for are demand? are one you. China up aluminum little in markets were read the in X.X% biggest markets that Which other two sales Thank We fell the and

Roy Harvey

pretty So broad that's John. question, pretty a that's - a

sort that John, know you were see direction. XXXX. here the into where of gives I going market couch so it don't hopefully you at terms exactly it of So, we me growing but right let how in question, least with the

William Oplinger

it. on put done down And some numbers after you’ve we'll that

Roy Harvey

across from board, Yes, - the the of when look so construction. you inside largest component sits

market to the of of Chinese people one in saw back the is that think year that for last process. I you building last highlights the comes started at starts come see in Unfortunately, the really again. year, end aluminum

we're into building year building what completions. those that turn hoping - starts to So, this is those see building

the XXXX. have We to turn started into corner as that we come see

happens growth inside going of construction China. in of that happily, the And that so drive that's largest consumption to some help market. the aluminum And is

a that an programs that also in as is transportation – that for happening growth stimulus going driving important From be this the China believe what's a well year. coming into standpoint, and is one We that positive to market.

I fact, and see be of strongest think the in growth, particularly strongest, in across come that it growth negative one to But see XXXX. you back the we we'll have that growth, the was China. a come difficult don't X% reference. should markets I difficult, that back, that you

that mention foil. continue some see in also and just would I to decent packaging we growth

saw a grow. the China. That's strong I fact, growth see in material to strong a aluminum to big to little pretty overall think to growth that that compared to packaging consumption But XXXX. continue contributor that In and as the continues be continues a that aluminum will bit in we be down we

William Oplinger

see and a well turning to not see mean, You cover. wanted it is had we contraction I big in all packaging We market the machinery, kind is next the you're a probably are things like construction that of John, I addressed markets The Roy transportation. level transportation that. bigger that and around pretty in that foil, did but same XXXX. referencing, you did,

So those the big markets. are

John Tumazos

you. Thank

Roy Harvey

thanks Yes, John.


Berenberg. go question next Our ahead. Please come will from with Paretosh Misra

Paretosh Misra

Thanks for taking my question.

couple a on other follow-up of to Just questions.

given market downstream of business? on to market have that close that's sources On you the don't out about how end every a now demand? having read you you it's whether intelligence customer more you some going Do market going market, how shipment or your know any or automotive end are that you facility is your to market construction or the have

Roy Harvey

that Yes, actual aluminum when Inc. markets, we consumption Alcoa is who instead end Alcoa we that because it into Paretosh are, say to that get the of I'd of the goes Corp. is

end We market. are a step final that final, removed from that

So, we analysts coming and hear products our added sales other from value into products rolled see and understand from and out added in what's what to what trying or we our aluminum of value aluminum. and put we effort

idea comes more particularly our have I and out when a what it it's it not smelters. We - So, metal do interpretation going, products. what's value our our an think good pretty much to by of is more driven is of where coming - added so

is So, for any different PXXXX kind But or into typically et it's going the it's that go going into - grade particularly billet it of whether it's [ph] can can very commodity whether sheet for use. or extrusions, the into cetera.

Paretosh Misra

business. Got it. year? And just been mostly year last aluminum follow-up a versus there has this premiums, shape guess change I so quick contract that's on a the any

Roy Harvey


reasons. it's a change better, fact that shape know, and two very-very-very that when and down. America seeing there and down, but seen really our skewed decline. in are significant the we're and unfortunately pretty come we've we has remember product seeing declines come it number been is and Number one, for for – Europe, a You fact is, Midwest premiums premium is the that also not we've North two seen towards and What we're

two over I back into has tie That, it Rusov things. to would market. one, that Number [ph] the come

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So having that's on amount the available. an impact of material is that certainly

it think a two, is important premiums, markets. start I imported such and you XXXX because coming a of higher we'll really Midwest to that period see also attracted amount material differentiated of number And into had decent

in. seen You've that come

But both highs. value XXXX I come same markets. could time, it in Rousav seemed think change we're that [ph] from West if more off others seeing the the at and premiums and their added premium imports the from


to like concludes you. I Harvey, session. remarks. now to closing any Roy our Thank turn the This conference question-and-answer for would

Roy Harvey

would you, today. And everybody like Thank your for I Shawn. Good. to thank time attention and

will improve Company We ourselves into make act to the strategic on we've act program this the to position and to we out, to sure that that future. set for success continue and aggressively

and here you So, look three us, to you road. talking to down joining the we for months thank forward


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