BRSP BrightSpire Capital

David Palame General Counsel and Secretary
Mike Mazzei President & CEO
Andrew Witt COO
Neale Redington CFO
Frank Saracino CAO
Stephen Laws Raymond James & Associates, Inc.l
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Good day and welcome to the Colony Credit Real Estate Inc.

First Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. Please note that today’s conference is being recorded.

And at this time I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. David Palame. sir. ahead go Please

David Palame

welcome earnings Credit conference and first Estate quarter XXXX call. to afternoon Real Colony Inc.’s Good

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the on Accounting and Executive President is Officer, Officer, E.; Frank Officer, the Officer, Financial on Operating Chief and Chief Saracino, the Chief call line Mazzei. Neale Speaking questions. are Andrew Company's to today answer Mike Redington. also Chief

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the economy the market and global real and financial estate market.

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as and the be COVID-XX pandemic. periodic time statements the the could time interpretation cautioning please from recent section affect our see numerous of forward-looking results, the a in adverse XX-K heightened many factors For of SEC the risk and of of reports result risk the of risk most and ongoing company's current the filed of impacts that to discussion should other a with

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President And now, Executive Mazzei, Officer I’d like Estate. over Colony Mike and Credit of turn call to to the Mike? Real Chief

Mike Mazzei

you Thank David.

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and an together environment seek reach owner today look COVID-XX side advantage attractive their when forward We as are a taking take we the to operators growing to this lending of to conservative of we other asset. business posture capitalize model

With to Operating that turn Chief Andy? Officer, to Witt. I now would like over Andy the call our

Andrew Witt

Thank you, Mike.

highlighted current the and liability circumstances and focus organization of on the particular under As the management is liquidity. attention primary previously with on asset

both of may funding select come resources high-priority through sales our and we've from reorganized legacy, sources and obligations future our portfolios. and that non-strategic core financing As around liquidity asset, asset such

coming to on monetize continue towards quarters. balance eye opportunities with examine sheet in investment our enhancing an to We the will liquidity

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We our also issued our of to warehouse as CLNC line reduced billion result in exposure XXXX. CLO a $X late

of in which XXXX reported loans originated approximately we resulted the transaction sale office senior on XX participation As securitization with executed a and in and million of pool that CLO XX% by multifamily a loans previously of $XXX October [indiscernible]. we collateralized

financing on $X held to to in we billion of CLO removed of Most by collateralized positions. home XX securitization. have financing loan on $XXX importantly, the the collateral senior market executing recourse the partial million Currently exposure mark loan repurchase

minimize related with banks taken return have in agreed terms various during the we by established holidays voluntary certain for margin a cases encompass risk which or margin repo to April to our loan of negotiating exposure. four counterparty holiday. largest advancement, In We our on reduction hospitality margin steps

been work modification also expanded counterparty uncertain our has and these navigate with the agreements with banks with to borrowers [indiscernible] permitted The collaboratively our Cadence together. bank managed with times periods counterparty. provides

deteriorated margin calls received portfolio. securities CLNC utilized total Turning financing strategy CMBS first CLNC has margin repurchase down In its these began since security. our security the in across quarter COVID-XX. liquidity finance played million paid with calls to on pay result of a XXXX or $XX QX as

$XXX for its the in XX%. on the agreed approximately we lender buy working borrowings in the underlying consolidated the June. one down advance rate end term million, together are collateral through the with second extending bank of our advance counterparty quarter outstanding Current the repo financing CLNC blended Early our to of rate debt exchange with is

margin triple addition the until term reaches portfolio. on bonds which extending the will XX% such rate. value calls advance The rollover B XX to XX financing B. of B finance the rate the to securities and XX% triple In the double of consist positions on of be not subject By it's

Following bond have mid-April the relatively prices Feds action since been stable.

the potential underlying We the and context reports COVID-XX portfolio continue review the in the analyze impact. to of monitor remittance related collateral,

terms. condition repayment to meet to The loan abilities most Failure compliance to our to with bank borrowers remain their to may payments their facilities. notable trigger borrowers of our impacts master in monthly financial and our and mortgage covenants the relate their repurchase obligations make including of credit loan

As our XX% portfolio of current. borrowers core Mike pay the of noted during previously April, month

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at our ahead. to unknowns continue the approximately and million to stands liquidity $XXX prepare enhance we liquidity will for Our position

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these to term. Given near the COVID-XX properties the sell we medium pandemic, in not may

our collateral transact with portfolio. to from consistent sales of the asset sales core select evaluating We our are on are view intend only or we bids value. Additionally, underlying

not we term. in activity do anticipate ahead new the any meaningful deployment short Looking

uncertainty borrowers, working to organization tenants, collectively favorable focus At reorganized lenders navigate this have existing and a to believe ultimately the to we are we committed to give squarely these the counterparties However, with unprecedented other investments moment way will lending our and on environment. time.

Now I call our Chief the to over Officer Neale turn Redington. Financial will

Neale Redington

Thank you everyone. Mike and good afternoon

items few in underscore will to like would filing XX-Q be Form I results tomorrow. included that quarter first our discussing Before our

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share. earnings quarter, losses of $X.X the $X.X CLNC's million quarter core to and million provisions or realized core share earnings hedges and per the for FX $XX $XX.X for turning gains or per net of per loss of excluding Now loan $XX $X.XX million, on core million portfolio reported first was of or million GAAP $X.XX $X.XX share

loan other or $XX.X In $X.X addition, for the company's legacy GAAP per million non-strategic total loss net After excluding earnings provision of $X.XX generated share realized million million $X.X $XX.X $X.XX portfolio per and losses and [indiscernible] gains. million or share. of of

more During gains of fully The for per February the and $X.XX core paid quarter were monthly covered first quarter we the cash January, dividend losses. months first paid of and dividends in share March. of earnings one-time a the XXX% common excluding than

extraordinary that XX conserve previously have the available is volatility market in of company company's to best As the prudent we concluded noted cash due period to unprecedented XXXX. liquidity the with monthly and the April dividend sustain beginning interest ending and and conditions monthly of

The customary considerations. future based periods on board will evaluate in dividends

company monitor a Importantly, to the status its company ensure distribution meets REIT. continues income the taxable requirements to maintain that minimum its the as to

gross along proceeds. has not so of included any partial far full loan prior five closed In $XX gross three million investment terms of activity repayments with in the for totaling new deployment, company repayments of of $XX proceeds XXXX, million quarter

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in and impact in to detrimental CECL discuss steps of evaluate reserves our implementation of immediate which addition will loan Given COVID-XX a loss specific to taken assets on have additional I significant moment. we

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against asset impairment $XX.X reflecting loan. to resolution area Minneapolis we result recorded revised the a hotel share Further or million million recovery reserves value As per reflect recorded loss of $X.XX loan estimate we a loan. have this this $X.X that against loan of from

Heading the approximately and appreciated at or $XX.XX core share. billion stands to book portfolio our per $X.X value

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type portfolio Furthermore remains geography. of size, and in the diversified collateral terms well loan

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portfolio year, last regarding profile our we order risk enhanced on our more our provide introduced As all disclosures the implemented part in corporate ratings loans within credit of detail business. core of and risk to

was of Our X.X the prior resulting increased reflecting the primarily the compared the in related from the first X.X risk end to overall risk COVID-XX. uncertainty at to quarter quarter rating

operational predominantly estate, composed real and of retail non-strategic at portfolio, stands owned million intensive originated legacy of this legacy our this other certain all value the formation statement approximately per for share. $X.XX book or to net loans prior $XXX CLNC. GAAP is portfolio And Total

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expected January to our standard the company would on CECL the accounting credit comment current which losses XXXX. on adopted like was Xst, I by Lastly,

million of one share. change XXXX combined portfolio $X.XX this reserve XXst of quarter size by recorded on $XX to first and a our during as new on caused book and per CECL economy of composition, the reserve we an COVID-XX. an impact result day is our a the million of approximately standard The additional a $XX value Based significant impact March

will and during portfolio CECL weaken. conditions modulate improve future decline income by risk contracts our expands The or the adjustments as quality attributes overall or or in credit net in strengthen periods market loans or

with That prepared Operator? for let's up and our that concludes open the remarks call questions.


Thank our Stephen. Laws. question comes our Instructions] go first will question from you. Stephen We [Operator ahead, and Please take first

Stephen Laws

to Yes. role. Mike, joining congratulations do XX but good the it's afternoon. off on I an that company. And know been Hi, congratulations days first interesting your on guess, first or I so new

Mike Mazzei

you. Thank

Stephen Laws

outlook question given do Andy, been two maybe you've probably able think to unfair kind I kind kind I the environment. an that's of Typically, road wanted that of of and or once the year you would how a Mike see And to asked I things question this. Mike follow-up. ask and the current have down

and is that do process possibly see and LNS into being assets to senior or that going, review mentioned to the portfolio. of given mess and that going simply get we're it the revolver look you preferred you then equity we're on to shifting re-designating Andy, core the going lease. net at under reevaluate from But rid focus even How

is how go that and and we're investment in group LNS. make place should going reevaluate process other and one it real give see be take new what will to us you do the some timeline and process Or a the how the even it loan going think and the every you clarity Can then? with way move one by take what certainly to it you senior big

Mike Mazzei

Thank Actually Mike. that, answer the I'll Stephen. you this is for question,

thing In we commentary, asset suggesting Andy's make moving wasn't let meant First of I'm are all, LNS. clear. me what sure we he into you one but that were that's not looking at so. terms experience in good do that like portfolio half portfolio date had certainly the of almost that we'll the LNS executing continue on we've on to a of and

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of REIT. are lease we're considering that some net mortgage our the assets assets doing of good larger really So, are which some assets

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are Also in those in marketing our as discussions some preferred well. equity of in we some positions,

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Stephen Laws

prepared was I me. the that at core in my of pull looked notes correcting out here, for thanks remarks the Great, mean, I stated portfolio. it

other seems base mark-to-market So, gives thanks our covenants on but that on I of term options to you amounts like it flexibility and significant touch of couple there. by I putting revolver, and it like a facility for the want think some correction changed the eliminating seems risk.

can allows or bit more a But permitted in prepared the already do what this been mentioned then that to have and preapproved think the you modifications you give now remarks you of kind or preapproved presentation piggybacking detail I permitted. of little from us

those already So, us you examples from give some permitted yet your are what preapproved offerings going through of that or borrowers the counterparty? to you're could you're then but

Neale Redington

I Stephen, a couple of things you different think there, covered right.

I likes. about the and Andy I address and to and with So, it as the margin some move that to the talking might he can and here one revolver you of holidays is said perhaps was start

prepared we today So, I we're that. in remarks terms that fact pleased and on in working of the in very revolver, arrangement. completed yes, that have we're with mentioned my

So, have we things. of couple a moved

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talk to about of arrangements? little Hopefully the with you the some the that bit around retail answers Andy revolver would and a like that question

Andrew Witt

you Sure, thank Neale.

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predetermined period work they a to waving under include of interest; time may And modifications. include a is to forbearing in with use the included may of set may our the keep property that's reserves; operating. which those covenants of include borrowers what they generally, And certain

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Stephen Laws

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the still you going of on or the on or there's Can discussion Or with we at stand color the Colony any progress board? that? where today us any update or level as give with

Mike Mazzei

for I I on capital this. clear it's have pretty put release clear, to more that a press add. Thanks was Colony out pause the now. question, The press nothing regarding they release got pretty really it. is

environment I strategy in that's of sense; common separately, Now think put a this on that these lot things are pause.

to I that press a release there that consistent but think the with effect. it's was market overall So,

Stephen Laws

to make fall where out No, there's been and change. sure Yes. no

you and the there time I guys. comments So, appreciate the thank for

Mike Mazzei

Thank you for your questions.

Andrew Witt

Thanks, Stephen.


our Randy question B. from And Binner from Riley. comes next

Mike Mazzei

Hi, Randy.

Randy Binner

Hey, good evening.

last number lower? the I the is which lower describe Can yes, is caused just So think getting or the little I these bit move update million. to XXX than first believe on that's million, that questions. I'm on I a guess XXX cash what you the

Neale Redington

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from was situation. think main I our that last the movement

sure I'm pieces lot Randy, evolving here. As there's you know a of

of our are main the in to And outlays. various short of number a existing investments. period that fundings that involves happened ones projection have time liquidity our So,

downs That's we have extensions numbers also combination Andy of on the described, deals where then, days commitments the fund three the those we've holding repo which And negotiated revolver pay the have downs there of it. small to is part the on small future. pay been of those margin some that and some quite in So, things. as of

Randy Binner

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Neale Redington


margin pay what described associated with that's combination downs and yes repo either CMBS facility of I had on that's think that's the and the or extension the calls side. Andy

Randy Binner

book? XX the the CMBS All in

Neale Redington

Yes, that's right.

Mike Mazzei


then Okay, -- go thanks Randy, yes please. ahead and

Randy Binner

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debt a have -- and So, CRE that's correct? CMBS, we delay. described you securities I all and just just

Neale Redington

is That correct.

Randy Binner

you Okay. that And then, CMBS? $XX to the the in going say were

Neale Redington


Randy Binner

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Neale Redington

I that's right, Randy. think

As we XX% numerous in described calls a in we're to, you range this with mean of try we that to mathematically. I XX% total discussions and

still be in that This quarter range. expect line that increased because we conceptually of the draw down on same the but over and just to

Randy Binner

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Neale Redington

draw just why out just this drawing one play the play as Randy, well down. on. it's if numbers you down resulted -- Sorry off that's the same the to sorry denominator, to and out more I'm those going numerator at to math by the the math But And period. up had

took have you I concept, sort to of net think more been look If it would debt a consistent.

Randy Binner

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I XX% bigger they're the resolved but contract heard two contract those XX% this? they're maybe for was number under of think a or number under and I numbers

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David Palame

about or now XX% resolved. that's the Yes, it; think XX% to that's been approximately way exactly

Randy Binner

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Neale Redington

that. address actually I'll

Okay fine. great, thanks,

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So, you out in will see some the of that filing. flushed

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Randy Binner

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Neale Redington

That is resolved. absolutely XXX%

Randy Binner

is resolution and said after of end hospitality go the still forward right then, hospitality book? the in this book the XX% that's that that's legacy the overall to plant sizing is share your core or you Okay. And new hospitality, the

Neale Redington

is. it's as generally we is the prepared loan. core thinking And in that my about That XX about as is we XXX said go once That remarks, listen I the forward an margin see million book, get then you'll more liquidity, pass orientation million million. we and XX feel maybe loans the this have like of the toward to moderately COVID-XX speaking, a we sized ample of XX buffer

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Randy Binner

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Neale Redington

Randy. Thanks,

Randy Binner

Thank you.


Chief for today. like that Mazzei, Ladies conclude our to back over to and I would time session Mike Officer. the At turn gentlemen, question-and-answer call this Executive

Mike Mazzei

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