BRSP BrightSpire Capital

David Palamé General Counsel
Mike Mazzei President and Chief Executive Officer
Andy Witt Chief Operating Officer
Frank Saracino Chief Financial Officer
Matthew Howlett B.Riley
Tim Hayes BTIG
Steve Delaney JMP Securities
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Greetings. Welcome to the Colony Credit Real Estate Incorporated First Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. pleasure your my General David now Counsel. is to host, introduce Palamé, It you, Thank David.

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David Palamé

and afternoon, first XXXX full Inc.'s Colony quarter year call. conference Good earnings to and welcome Credit Real Estate,

Estate, Real refer will as Credit the call. to throughout Credit Colony We Estate, or Credit Colony CLNC, Inc. Colony this company Real

Chief are Frank Witt; Andy and Financial Officer, Speaking today President Chief Officer, the on the Executive Operating and Saracino. company's call Officer, Mike Mazzei; Chief

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Mike Mazzei

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Frank additional his CFO, the Saracino, details regarding in internalization will Our provide remarks.

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a we have expanding of from our emerged are improvements seeing suburban competitive, economy, side are of we beyond funds. lending commercial lending seeing to cost markets on the lower reopening lending pandemic, has in we given financing As the And office. liability the Also the multifamily focus sheet begun from estate the U.S. improvements concurrently the of pricing become real while bit are stabilize. and balance the more resulting we and

now Turning financial key some to headlines.

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is Our million. X current liquidity $XXX May as of

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The to the continue closely review on executing team make will our to dividend policy business stated progress as We CLNC continues plan. earnings increase.

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we last allow deployment also look pandemic of to non-earning us put any will for us to to new remaining repatriate work further will remainder assets. or into loans. resolve step the capital the underperforming and XXXX, the For behind This

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Andy Witt

everyone. afternoon focused sheet continuing remains the Thank to The you, company and on build earnings and Mike, balance good managing business. simplifying and the

CLNC and meaningfully today, business. Over the XXXX the course simplified has of through

we to The the now consolidated as are longer first overall the portion non-strategic separate are our no a portfolio legacy insignificant results assets is as quarter This portfolio. relative reporting of segment.

net and and The we've corporate. four, how eliminated estate the segment and mezzanine real now three, from reporting we the business. two, following other One, preferred senior real one CRE such presented to segments. reporting as of manage As our estate; the portfolio leased loans and comprised equity; reflect and the debt is and securities; view business realigned segments

build our of capital assets value preferred segment long-term million mezzanine excluding the comprised in of XX on to strategy portfolio. private this retention an segment. addition the CMBS XX% the We As earnings. for in interest assets in core of value is mission further comprised of other XXXX, book This end, to BP's net anticipate X% million cash approximately $XXX in due appreciation. portfolio and $X infrastructure is at-share value stable The investments cash provisions. the real loans senior segment of on potential positions we to this to our subject one reporting anticipate continue is activity resulting $XX XX company's as transaction or they this of in the of often estate related to at-share for $XX comprised quarter four towards portfolio. investments total the net generated majority balance actual real and capital of million company XX, a little our book securities leased to of aggregate segment flows the approximately sold a an of an to or and associated associated sheet, net of positions remaining net to are and XX flows the investment the bonds estate approximately the exposure value from of to leads portfolio of in aggregate or we segment the equity our $X with equity net company part The Net the lease this reducing provide aggregate and remain allocating risk CRE is of cash gain debt billion billion share Subsequent is which book remaining March of XX% of one credit as tenants. majority portfolio of critical portfolio. with includes the

by originating company investment mortgages credit evidenced Although real recent across estate investment holds primary of strategy as our activity. the first strategies, remains investments number a

the team million; with the loans During majority these acquisition investments XX all aggregate through $XXX first are has which and of commitment the originated mortgages, of first today, quarter senior an predictable and new of loan flows. of million. average our stated size blended cash our with $XX on of is unlevered portfolio current loan The toward X.X% book reorienting consistent financing approximately yield with an strategy the are

with in associated San It portfolio during is of geography which non-accrual California collateral We equity an the office million, carrying loans $XXX amount contributing diversify and investment loan portfolio add placed non-accrual was loan restructuring senior focus assets, and a Importantly, the that preferred associated comprised and repatriating are approximately share Hotels accounts note the which time of terms seven investments multi-family or million important first non-accrual for on to capital with value of anticipate earnings. size, properties. contains is remains certain to on $XXX status, quarter. of this not with five on the Jose,

filed quarter, the and hotel first During the closed Bankruptcy. the XX Chapter borrower

restructuring have into the We with support a agreement entered borrower.

will the to capital the summary of will into asset the investments this company section redeploy contributing details XX-Q these Additional positions included to allow be specific in earnings. Form filing resolving company's

reduced increase dividends permit amendment borrowing sheet the On to amount and on million. of material $XXX and as as restrictions from network restricted the credit such to the internalization reduce part the of backs, remove facility available banks for the base value investments, amended of million aggregate maximum payments $XXX amount borrowing buy ability XXX% new commitments the we stock the lender to to of our covenants, balance increased liability tangible make side our we

with along extending amended In maturity repurchase addition, internalization and permit the company on six-master facilities four-master the the to covenant, the net tangible repurchase reduce facilities. worth

Lastly, from underlying our XXXX, billion continues to managed executed and CLO perform loan in at level. the October $X floors benefit LIBOR

ordinary CLO We continue to managing performance monitor the which the payoffs. course loan of includes

loans some opportunities. the of focus market are continues replace portfolio, issue In conditions. our in term planning CLO on on originated While and will the our the our newly while a prepayments relatively assuming summary, suitable we near second pipeline executing existing of CLO in originations to to building existing company new

first of support With over cash elaborate we growth, to our increasing the drive Frank remainder the assets the shareholders. turn in to the associated on with capital the to Chief redeploying to sheet Financial For repatriating Saracino I balance payments order on results. Officer, deploying call and anticipate to will non-accrual dividend quarter and that, year, earnings

Frank Saracino

everyone. Thank Andy, afternoon, good you, and

we our Before to XX-Q I results, tomorrow. discussing our that to expect want mention first quarter file

In or our asset-by-asset our which on provide available details quarter The first supplemental draw report, let's supplement to total website. and results. to common or to share does $X.XX turn your distributed Form of per loss CLNC million of $X.XX quarter to $XX.X net financial first our $XX.X our addition, like XX-Q. would that reported million company GAAP With is I learning’s XXXX as share. attention shareholders per continues to our attributable

GAAP contract The recording to in losses adjustments total and and one-time million as were and distributable loss gains fair our $XXX.X common cash other adjusted or earnings expense. and payment reflects a $X.XX million per realized transaction $XX charges, net of company $XX.X $XXX.X charges share. as management of attributable of million well shareholders value include million restructuring the Excluding to a restructuring terminate

$XX.XX per from During per the value from an made our change decreased share the is un-depreciated upfront book $XX.XX value quarter, with net decreased external cash to to to This first investment terminate due to GAAP book the $XX.XX manager. $XX.XX contract total share. primarily

million new or than result lower of quarter quarter sell XXXX results, a quarter or As mentioned resolution investment and portfolio, California is ramp Jose industrial in non-strategic per share. on timing came the XXXX that a our distributable the assets, non-accrual the hotel difference originations lease $X.XX our of earnings expected primarily placing San of our first legacy adjustable $XX.X of XQ fourth first net Andy earlier. of The loan

value this company's internalization number call, internalize achievement our management these key and we a from million, significantly realize internalization. ahead, will quarter of provide the full my of year the significant perhaps first benefits originations far external most is of expect the growth the ways. mentioned, the CLNC Mike of transaction We levels cash our as benefits as quarter meaningful recognize enhance of earnings and Looking of deploy operating completion the cost idle shareholder this point; believe with Which and to in next income to for we $XXX so manager loan function. brings from a me top the

to to reduce a company's expenses. and First, structure is general be considerably and to administrative earnings self-managed the expected a transition the accretive

charges Excluding totally to or to termination we share. approximately per generating anticipate million per one-time savings payable of $XX million operating $X.XX approximately the $XX year, $XXX.X to cost million, $X.XX manager

management shareholder said, and believe will the team, CLNC's exclusively the focus as to providing model the this structure newly which team CLNC. we transaction our also dedicated internalized focus creates certainty leadership for continuity All organizational along lead that economics it on of that existing with dedicated to value. greater transparent offers base, a addition will In a from as employee more well

that authorize highlight on is to front. last the Board am important Directors After the has second quarter. increase pleased dividend quarter, reinitiating dividend our substantial I of Another the the

provides increase is the dividend from cost XXth. conditions emerged we And June dividend Given to The XXth declared July our internalization we of share. improved per second dividend from as payable an of as ability $X.XX pandemic per of quarter's quarter shareholders our share earnings distributable and savings in outlook, expanding competence economic represents last from continue generate Board's the to the on of to a and record financial position, XX% operating evidence This improve. XXXX. second performance, business for quarter the further of growth $X.XX of

continue will we our evaluate mentioned, dividend Mike As to quarterly.

our $X.X total to XX, at-share assets Moving as stood sheet; approximately March balance at XXXX. billion our of

compared time fourth is This and XX% of at debt-to-equity end net first to was the was the ratio quarter. ratio debt-to-assets the X.X quarter. Our relatively unchanged

approximately $XXX million In cash availability between addition, bank at hand credit our and liquidity our on stands under facility.

Turning to risk ranking.

the end Our overall compared the of quarter. quarter fourth risk first to ranking slightly at the improved

is Our first quarter quarter. prior compared as the risk to X.X at the ranking of X.X end

for the call and prior up quarter, first our open against was our $X.X compared a And driven concludes slight that, This reserved questions. the approximately at the to million with million by primarily as $XX.X our end prepared difference is the CECL of X.X% Operator? increase This of represents let's quarter. is origination. remarks. Finally, The new provision approximately loans.


Thank you.

conducting session. you. [Operator Instructions] We will question-and-answer a Thank now be

proceed B.Riley. your Howlett question. Our question with comes from with Please first Matthew

Matthew Howlett

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Mike Mazzei

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Matthew Howlett

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Andy Witt

with in And lot We getting next return we've only but it capital close governance, earnings, does – is internalization be it XXXX, these book with of terms our this COVID assets running peer that now market getting within and think rest path group dividend now, nothing. goal defend you earnings, up between sitting at which working on the important in quarters we peer value in look company GAAP any absolutely our the higher When the And including group. Not shareholders. gone to transparent. to a down. through book to between mid-teens the and raising a shooting of our right the assets the a of add a is to seeing We're assets, yes, value. some makes for We're value market We're governance, balance that the of the on sheet on are had. and the our we're more falls difficult ROE closing toward ROE. and that. lot streamlines But cash, the we GAAP improves think

Matthew Howlett

appreciate I up look covering end I'll to really and it. appreciate really story. forward here, but the I

Andy Witt

Thank you. asking Thank question. for you the


Thank you.

your Please next Hayes question. comes Our question Tim with BTIG. from with proceed

Tim Hayes

Hey, Mike, know $X.XX focuses dividend, doing but quarter, to decision better decision, feel good increase in the I evening question how quarters I want guys. and well. of My and a next just a it here. to you're to first the get around for think to about Board Hope couple this it's

but the quarters? going or this trough to $X.XX Board expect be to dividend you a distributable distributable over – the of dividend quarter this that that of is into benchmark dividend number? I said growing coming move earnings that on then the to kind some is of the be earnings, the basis is kind you $X.XX – to there? happen And covering So share, that going is per I adjusted the adjusted second expecting earnings is Is know for know of forward? that reported the there quarterly you best forward, expect move you all, distributable of guys adjusted kind it

Andy Witt

and were that are of look with coming originations and cash earmarked growing cash with that I able Tim. and the again to basis you, when – we also that'll you increase And online, to no out earnings. then this There's as hello, at before, we on Thank continue it a that that into and as closing pay deploy cash. million And then is, call out laid of I expected $XXX over these cash. the capital, extra with quarters, out the not cash deploying to looking and we've as could this already coming get which earnings $X.XX, it next that in really the earlier up XXX, cover but $X.XX we balances $X.XX provide, of that we're only to math

do. that absorbed vetted and in that But we The ROE the will trough quarters. CLO think So got the things a feel we'd like is assets quarter. the basic. up. on the We the have we are enhances fully in that We've coming now. place math Hopefully we're pretty get like pointing internalization to over

We this some accruals to had quarter adjustment. that in upfront for that take have well we as to make compensation

the roadmap up. So out I trough this cash cash, non-earning of think mainly think for I is it and you how kind and may I of is on matter quarter we gave as a just a get we this executing the I It's those is think assets. covered said, of on

Tim Hayes


sense. makes That Okay.

So of yes, you time you I couple in just quarters, you of it will kind saw resetting past as questions. as we kind trend make and seeing gradually I but just expect the with the where shakes that the stabilized correctly. about dividend guys do from just based of increase deployed of that earnings like waiting out versus progress the dividend. is is and that over you saw and sure guess of want this, fair I'm make on to capital dumb thinking some then initiative, more It's hear kind to it We

Andy Witt

look, to that's not to wants clear be nobody our Well, backwards, intention. so go

the our grow So took the is earnings. we to we going backwards. path think, I we're go confident I that as we're This And earnings, not to I've do to job to that we said, grow that And that think earnings. feel dividend. steps as is grow going increase

for that We dollar making penny, will do that, will but want we in to overstep. I can't but be for dollar, plan be will We terms penny think of that be don't sure will same it path. be do on that I cautious don't it the say

we board, want backwards. this a is we the not is we're future. think do that we expectation when in dividend a do going will And certain in assess think make I with to trough again, my earnings. see I that So But the growth

Tim Hayes

certainly that based pipeline. that, couple mentioned as appreciate and kind then on expanding comment that. of And outside loans scope just office Thanks the largely mortgage in it about little a expanding the past question like earlier But the made you of first been bit. you're the multifamily space well. you focusing sounds on and can quarters, you've Yes, another – suburban of And Mike.

you or you in scope? of construction would expanding can a Is So pipeline sense little two mezz on Is talk Are willing helpful? willing some lending level and color to to type? quarter transition? do be kind what it enhanced ago? Are this do about structure? you're stuff? you it of So kind of that you any were the more bit a it Is asset than

Mike Mazzei

to execute, want another mortgages, in we be we even want in first I as CLO the the we after that can summer. loans substantially think do do construction first, I but one said, to also Well,

think substantially assets that look the first. I like will So

will terms we in of Secondly, property other expand types.

been $XXX we'll use, do into We high a and of We've to that. suburban areas portion $XXX the office other be balance hotel, markets the to at we of markets. million office country call do and thought it, where to there we will will yes, sheet expand million even growth capital of transactions. And what to mezz sticking continue

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Tim Hayes

for just a was, more don't what if the the or comment costs your like, you funding more basis and CLO, obviously what And of was CRE, it. was bit, coming I kind you the kind one you're for it Got me, down around know of from that if mentioned Okay. then providers. repo – your mentioned seeing

If you comment repo you seeing if rates that your if around and could any provide on down just bit costs there's little are been more color movement a and well. as advance come

Mike Mazzei


getting been have step coming have the the aggressive. market very banks been So lock with

to that. do have look beyond You

on on If the for XX bank and executing you're you're line a few days years. a on CLO XX for you're CLO, that days,

looking been certain certain pools are the collateral it focused is that and collateral a And do CLO, will market And issuers stable. we definitely is to with So that issuer. on better. through market really has

so, And in probably July. sometime that we're targeting

but much dropping absolutely rate, they’ve cents that rates warehouse advanced have been can few the They've modestly, of change, in but a advance interest advance in been rate. be been market and the they've further. drop rate now slightly will will there rate on rates increasing between upside hopefully, and been share they've coming, facilities much – so, banks banks conditions then the tightening. preferred And increase the been been advance per but Both execution, than increasing the they've

Tim Hayes

going queue. back Thanks color. hop Mike. I'm helpful to in That's the


Thank you. Instructions] [Operator

Please question comes Steve next Delaney JMP with Our Securities. your with question. from proceed

Steve Delaney

you hello the huge that and congrats glad Yes, and to to on internalization. team a step, Mike in That's position. have so the you

a wouldn't existing stuffs had the had or everything I clear So covered. lot it CLOs? whether have Is just you CLOs. – two? question one – two I been of about a On

Mike Mazzei

second. referring fault And we billion. my that's XXXX But we for one, I'm was teeing-up. second we $X my are Yes, outstanding done because to that in a are one remarks, – in have our

Steve Delaney

that are up. teeing You

Mike Mazzei

then We are that the at be July agencies with the could rate the deal. hopefully of now July another right And end end trend up we'll teeing given it deal, of year, call rating and with the that that one on. look and the banks, a at the we're process

Steve Delaney


Mike Mazzei

loaded. teed The is pretty for substantially up one and that's July locked

Steve Delaney

done? the is old replenishment Then CLO, call is any Is it static great. in let's that that or the now one that Great, – there

Mike Mazzei

Yes, Andy, you to do want static. maybe Andy of cover for that not That's – us. can some

Andy Witt


CLOX through October replace to ability the of in have we XXXX. collateral So,

Steve Delaney


Andy Witt

replacing collateral we off. as we [indiscernible]. And pay are loans So are

Steve Delaney


aggregation deals one, seen right? Okay, banks. work on new you've thanks. recently And the I couple is with a mean, got deal, the of the to I've

that pay work got a get of something But the not collateral I've activities? execution that that period are probably that is couple you periods. your size you sort that's for re-starting the to of might to is whether in seen know this of ramp-up I or the You $X billion specified. have you because $XXX lending to want, whatever. for you since

Frank Saracino

I that limited the there ramp that can. we might best go some because we'll looking we get but, think specified want we to more up, a think, to would And in keep really think we're I execution be – pool. I of

So, market have when you're of but taking a execution. rather we'd we smaller risk a ramp are little aggregating bit more, up better and

Steve Delaney

Super. and to I appreciate forward look Thank talking color soon. the you.

Frank Saracino

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Tim Hayes

here. quick just another Hey, up

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Mike Mazzei

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Frank Saracino

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Tim Hayes

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Mike Mazzei

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Tim Hayes

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mentioned? near-term be rather for expect So, resolution any or to more that any of assets just some around there clarity kind the asset. some timelines I of deadlines Or of might kind you do

Mike Mazzei

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we have others The think a short-term timeline. of more

Tim Hayes

Thanks helpful again questions for color. taking That's there. Got it. my

Mike Mazzei

Thank you.


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Mike Mazzei

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