PFSI PennyMac Financial Services

Isaac Garden VP, IR
David Spector Chairman and CEO
Andy Chang Senior Managing Director and COO
Vandy Fartaj Senior Managing Director and Chief Investment Officer
Dan Perotti Senior Managing Director and CFO
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Isaac Garden

Good afternoon and welcome to the Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Discussion for PennyMac Mortgage Investment Trust. The slides that accompany this discussion are available on PennyMac Mortgage Investment Trust's website at

Before we begin, let me remind you that our discussion contains forward-looking statements that are subject to risks identified on Slide 2 that could cause our actual results to differ materially. Thank you.

Now I'd like to introduce David Spector, PMT's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, who will discuss the company's third quarter 2021 results.

David Spector

Isaac. you, Thank

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Vandy Fartaj

Andy. Thank you,

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Dan Perotti

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David Spector

you, Thank Dan.

Looking forward a existing remain long-term the We the and alignment are over PMT presents competitive while purchase business a its production market driving rising to that is and aggregators for organically deliver tirelessly any proven our questions interest look and on investments. positioned investments, of challenges, improved environment near out team ability term rates investors generate by current attractive Investor returns environment portfolio email corresponding ability Thank well capitalizing to or you. with valuable driving as we optimistic focused and phone. and to We on PMT’s evolving ahead. the reach new to are encourage Relations with execution investment about to

Isaac Garden

third Mortgage concludes Investment discussion. earnings This PennyMac Trust quarter

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