NREF NexPoint Real Estate Finance

Jackie Graham Director, IR & Capital Markets
Brian Mitts EVP, Finance, CFO, Secretary, Treasurer & Director
Matthew Goetz SVP, Investments & Asset Management
Paul Richards VP, Asset Management
Matthew McGraner EVP & CIO
Amanda Sweitzer Robert W. Baird & Co.
Stephen Laws Raymond James & Associates
Jade Rahmani KBW
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Good day, and welcome to the NexPoint Real Estate Finance third quarter conference call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Jackie Graham. Please go ahead.

Jackie Graham

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Brian Mitts

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by available covered CAD. X.XXx is covered for distribution earnings dividend Our and X.XXx by

guidance Let the quarter, fourth it the I'll over turn for update the guidance for and fourth team. give me our then quarter or to here

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Matthew Goetz

Thanks, Brian.

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Paul Richards

Matt. Thanks,

in the company quarter, secondary During market. the was active bond the highly third

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turn all on general, rental, accelerate. of as to fully over retention To remarks, loan Lastly, touch and it Matt to highs. demand to the still performance our SFR pool, persist immense before questions, for are trend expect the at over current briefly in I'd occupancies and single-family We McGraner. are all-time performing tenant and finalize to continued it as to this like loans we turn tailwinds to prepared the continues

Matthew McGraner

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first from with We'll Instructions]. Sweitzer [Operator take Amanda question Baird. our

Amanda Sweitzer

a start the that than in on opportunities to could bit acquisition the obviously, volume year-end? redeploying wider you wanted ranges, close pipeline potential on update give an given and normal, I equity little of and But the the issuance can those proceeds. you near-term guidance the

Matthew McGraner

bit little timing the a wider of payoff Amanda, SFR, Matt. which we potential what that have is. guidance received don't in the The know because Yes, a it's we is smaller

when. was made timing just we I a just don't closed investment, know bit hasn't wider. the it little Couple quarter, yet and we with So that sometime mentioning, this of the pharmaceutical

So that we be number, we to conservative. appropriately could but wanted outperform potentially

Amanda Sweitzer

as the helpful. That's on alone that expect being that repaid, loan up then repayments fourth comment Okay. repayments, SFR that in beyond well loan on you the other near-term And as following bridge quarter? any

Matthew McGraner


Amanda Sweitzer

potential year. a That's helpful. self-storage finally, you on I early Okay. said like book from fulsome updated the to common sounds $X.XX the last next quarter, thoughts update then $X. think you'll per stock? value And But upside it have any more share

Matthew McGraner

that Yes, range. it's still in

of optimistic that higher in end still but I good the think are a for We range, it. range that's


question Raymond next with Stephen Laws We'll take our from James.

Stephen Laws

science, of is your the loan, know loan I just your Just had as here the to that it in follow different building year, you these mezz pipeline mentioned pieces? talk mezz to investment deploying a can to think up kind couple about of more pipeline looks but you pipeline deals at in you you're the the on B like add end think, I close closed well, question, options? any mezz you October. life of a capital investments? another your how and about CMBS bridge opportunities of When across of How looking loan

Brian Mitts


a that will we'll use in But it, million thickness roughly, for deal on. or call some we'll the It's about repo We $XX think $XX deal equity. quarter. we'll close have -- fourth million, K a of which million XX% have $XX we

Stephen Laws

compared And obviously, life sciences, then but... to

Brian Mitts

Go ahead.

Stephen Laws

volume. little Yes. when know opportunities, No, you sorry, secondary? additional sheet how I deployed the the just I available probably to liquidity you're needs? although got to do additional But you've you off And a was given ATM, that follow and look you fully about the come capital, I outlook think just limited the having think liquidity, up your available -- trading think again? about talk these grow with going given capital -- can balance on

Matthew McGraner

Yes. Matt McGraner. Stephen, it's

do the even and the we kind would think notes reopening having the over next more. did financing. the probably this quarter toolkit that the think summer with use bit to of most and tighter. from we sheet we just a it tap with But our bankers, unsecured the not that, and the tool the tools, equitized balance could -- we the deployed we would pricing that that. repo we of those potentially near X fourth indications end term some think is year. that I coupled can gotten offering fully And be most accretive, be We've so notes, little We really by the over

Stephen Laws

there, Matt. color the Appreciate Great.

good run about think expenses, as Is should Can expense operating largely quarterly Lastly, guys have the Or you a talk outlook how through there? really grow this here, shown a basis. the control on year you some you good rate? this expenses flat platform? we about those

Matthew McGraner

and on. think I Yes. that the the I have platform of this of to isn't the lights NexPoint benefits that one mean, is the doesn't sole keep company

that think And carry so that think expenses should a structure much conservative. we've created fee higher. is and don't we too helpful we And

a run or this months so -- think, for agree. a So and lot. the rate focus a pretty pretty good next XX on that is We I

earnings largely think is Yes, stream we're there, is of here about One back. I too, is things, helpful that capital the portfolio the or a that but differentiated repayment small constantly we and our getting get not fixed.

treadmill book we company with networks Couple kind offices, eroding services we office value. have to on company. the and in So here and that owner-operator have commercial that of great commercial repaying estate we're keep and through one -- not production real banks services where

So yes, monitor pretty at we'll pleased, we're and continue think this I level. these to expenses

Stephen Laws

Great. nice another appreciate Well, your on quarter, time morning. this congrats and

Matthew McGraner

Stephen. Thanks,


next go We'll Instructions]. to KBW. with Jade Rahmani [Operator

Jade Rahmani

XQ, below the equity for timing main is reason of earnings XQ that guidance and capital deployment? The offering

Matthew McGraner

that's right, Yes, Jade.

Jade Rahmani


capital preferred mezzanine loans level the your that going in of deploy space? like to competition In with market terms what's into comfort equity, and things

Brian Mitts

of have fast. ourselves for with, making work of And I the mean feel a relationships that we've easy are being XX Yes, there that we're years. pride investments with repeat to we on with, creative, pretty we people -- nimble, comfortable. kind lot clients we

a feed mezz million that So preferred. in equity we to there that a playing size at, needs machine. a everything still currently sponsor to and check, of And big a aren't of to $XX that get deal million closed, ton in don't this terms have people $X we're at

into robust competition the a at have there higher competition. pieces, So preferred for ton run on B levels we pipeline a the That of mezz said, and and smaller we is investments. but don't especially the

Jade Rahmani

yield seeing, quantify magnitude compression you you're by of can And product maybe that the area?

Paul Richards

it's Jade, Paul.

yes, area, on in bought side, we think May to in the side, some BP of CMBS bought buying the we back XXXX we and XX% bonds the that we those from price -- at roughly On yields, the COVID equivalent were mid-Xs. down we've seen bond compressed on

those on compression yield meaningful see bonds. you So of types

think those we that, bonds. probably quite pleased with just for the still there So room we're of out given to demand types and there's run

Brian Mitts

just dollar playing the XX% XX%, on smaller able rates still a paper. since to in mezz preferred all-in XX%, amount, still we're get And that and on side, -- we're


no the additional or speakers questions closing like I'd time, in call for turn back additional remarks. With queue to our this to your over at

Brian Mitts


back over think I everyone's here. time, I we're good be you. in appreciate Thank and we'll touch.


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