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JPM JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Participants
Jamie Dimon Chairman and CEO
Jeremy Barnum CFO
Glenn Schorr Evercore ISI
John McDonald Autonomous Research
Ken Usdin Jefferies
Jim Mitchell Seaport Global Securities
Mike Mayo Wells Fargo Securities
Ebrahim Poonawala Bank of America Merrill Lynch
Steven Chubak Wolfe Research
Matt O'Connor Deutsche Bank
Gerard Cassidy RBC Capital Markets
Betsy Graseck Morgan Stanley
Charles Peabody Portales Partners
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Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to JPMorgan Chase’s Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. This call is being recorded.

Your lines will be muted for the duration of the call.

We will now go live to the presentation. by. stand Please I to time, and to the turn Financial At Chase's would Chairman over JPMorgan Jeremy Dimon; and call Officer, this Barnum. like CEO, Chief Jamie Mr. ahead. go Barnum, please

Jeremy Barnum

Thanks, operator. everyone. Good morning,

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page outlook. on the XX, that, with So

of unusually charge-off even mentioning less XXX $XX.X points, to outlook offset as the CCB, makes Our last we card mentioned which, outlook term billion provides net as a the updated But, forecasting the basis you'll headwind. around in note, also in XXXX to And challenging. near I in it's the NII NII the meaningful that for than lowered worth with environment NII month. we've current guidance line remains provided our rate

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is underway, the against are the continued recovery economic progress So, the in to encouraged States. especially wrap by up, virus the we that and United

Although will world we're that the that follow we challenges and a to recovery the hopeful is the closely facing behind. want global of of acknowledge much rest

again once by as headwinds exceptionally generation of power quarter AWM this charge-offs from delevering model and the consumer business are offset CIB, performance in Our our the showcases diversified and across low fee net NII across strong board.

While crisis, the and ever. we're Company of others our fintechs banks, competition business from in intense through of every as performance the of the proud the as people is and

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Operator

coming first from Evercore question our And line ISI. Instructions] is [Operator from the Schorr Glenn

Jeremy Barnum

Glenn. Hi

Glenn Schorr

the Welcome Jeremy. Hi Welcome. there. to party. Hi

Jeremy Barnum

Thank you much. very

Glenn Schorr

your slow any putting economy inflationary differently, little you're sure now, rates you are fell. an I'm a Question some so growth And guide, it. on level? it on elevated then I playing might, data not why, is at could. this because we're lower most multifaceted. you even want the still work, had opine But and you let's NII playing, if money payment appreciate at though but talk inclined apologize sheet deposit growth thoughts strong. to you're kept about you work? getting staying putting rates assuming, as rates if NII Curious meaning to consumer elevated managing the been possibly I'm this if balance it's I even I deposit staying are Thanks. level, importantly, slow money to on

Jeremy Barnum

Glenn. right. Thanks, Yes. All

let's sort take So, in that parts. of

we're of full year. So, so in $XX.X billion reiterating our terms so NII for yes, guidance, the

that are The curve to we bit guidance. assumptions flattened deployment that first, take our through So, provided just of when conservative obviously, the But bit a rest a your rates reasonably were deployment little rates long little we bit point has we are lower. end provided the a lower, guidance, in since year.

it's sort the talking of that, we’re So, not really precision factor, level as a meaningful that here. a result of of at about

card In you to really is driver. really the as side, terms consumer of it's obviously, going the big say, be

So, you see card heard you and the growth about talking payment in loans. us sequential rates,

remain through the do a spend this rates as the that is elevated a at of to, acceleration in are going we to the sort that loan But, in say, pickup going resumption believe in I card. pay we growth So, year. of think translate of to quite do minimum end

interest-bearing a So, balances result, we this don't see increasing meaningfully year. revolving as really

as which overall so, for that remains a And in result, headwind a outlook. incorporated is the NII for year, the this

Glenn Schorr

terms terms of Okay. balance sheet in you differently money And any still conservative front? on that then, putting managing of in work, to

Jeremy Barnum

our that's -- along team, inflation. I things the an higher us together right? it's the between associated Fed, Look, rates, for think robust economic et all I those with is targets central the before, an Fed's own perspective, mean, consensus cetera. case, higher is higher a And about inflation, that's associated much equal. heard a And for with recovery. talk lines else All Yes. that view you've So, of pretty this research outlook our very from us, view

are remain kind in our so, all look our And guys until here. written EIR won't recently, of at you disclosure, here overall with you of about industry. to patient of that, which Q, do sensitivities get some line you if the this And but light have the happy in obviously we stay you see

patient the balance that of sense. type complexity here and tail about, feel factors, other always kind the do consider still you various when So we makes Jamie of that sheet things talks the being

Glenn Schorr

just picture, in. And it. take maybe it curious is feel specifically why terms the on within from Jamie a to of now time? there's away want if free move just maybe a international shying on that short in past and very net one I mix in things it. or expansion And better change and five bit appreciate been you big on quickie acquisitions making the period both investments. to of expand little A, Thanks. coincidence And could I'm Okay. recent you and the

Jeremy Barnum

Sure, Glenn.

that's So, consumer international let point the expansion because me start side interesting. the on with

why of over when Jamie branch-based that the expansion years talk through sense think you about consumer international strategy. heard wouldn't really in lens to do make You've about it the

now hasn't imagine, perspective, the The and right the other competing a difference an to with and countries you operating leverage outside the from and if that going is do So, in felt likely from really incumbents, just branches strategy a U.S. opening never ability we've was of branding that perspective, us, that to digital. be that, for changed. successful

bit. in both investment now ability little of the to recent disruptor. you a Brazil, to banking really what's our a international Brazil, in in is the So, UK experiment of probably know, it's But consumer Obviously, the and as the in CX exciting third expansion fun be strategically it's compelling biggest kind narrative, the kind world. with like about opportunity. the is particularly market

bit And our outsider are place it things, in compelling to banking so, these for ourselves think United a inside. to being where learn the through good in position really channels, given in being to the digital I challenge States, we other disrupting the of kind little actually as opportunity from addition in financially, among we see a us, and a consumer

stuff. we're very about excited So, that

Operator

from question line Research. Autonomous from next is of the John McDonald Our coming

John McDonald

I Good morning, ask about wanted Jeremy. to you capital.

more. for levels to How kind wrapping SLR get but all down the obviously, you're but what rules as constraint. came rising into of levels target. talk I that binding has You've XX% SCB, the you to that maybe target? guess, decide at? And shrinking, G-SIB capital are run guys little talked about variables a cushion now together multiple a that's the balancing is a you leverage could revised. hoping mentioned about what You that in capital score, Jen And maybe previously an CETX you're got bit, you

Jeremy Barnum

John, Yes. are It's a yes, good lot a of question, and variables. there

of what that, So, say doesn't the me is that meaning about saying in necessarily be not target, let XX%, higher. start I'll necessarily XX% not by off a -- terms table need it's to it's

of So think But, by we for bound the quite off element table. it's the bit this. when what, i.e. are you not about now, time, a matters as

So, point. the pieces, of go noted the some GSIB just through you've to

X% in we're play comes operating currently bucket the end of in year. of the into So, That as in We're XXXX. last X.X. now

As you number. that's quite know, a seasonal

bound we of end But, bucket this the still in would to X.X So, the by were XXXX. be possible extent SLR, meantime, bucket we're probability, views has in which driven SLR. by X.X requirements things, in especially landing we've have as the the these quite the really year. say, And which, year. public capital this of it's But, case which noted, under I for you elevated an to backstops, as to about sensitive been in get our increasingly, acknowledge binding size-based our designed, the would of about X.X And measures, about acknowledged. are non-risk Fed

priority So, an end We that fix could III we're our of Basel -- a potentially these come said know the about G-SIB talked for SLR, and implementation right NPR waiting potential the holistic things. the also, they've addressing but Fed some on has of of as part game.

going some a bound out the leverage of all binding. in likelihood. above that things there's now, minimums light of of to becoming we're lot now realistically, operating be XX% going between to And right So, those anyway in and play are

just near to variety going information props, to a we're out about few of term, it short try over term, managing nimble cetera. next quarters. be as And factors, more So, et different comes the we're common,

Jamie Dimon

$XXX trillion trillion of riskiest marketable $X $XXX tons of a long-term have, of the $X.X loans, we further could billion only is billion securities. of I which If of $XX preferred, have and CETX, billion asset cash make we and capital, of point, debt,

tons capital going So, you’re the And the in at say, I there's to underlying just to is look side. one thing and so the system. much, think of liquid if day, why

John McDonald

on then, follow-up, Yes. expenses. And quick a Jeremy,

inflation Could broader role revenues outlook and business a give Are inflation little volumes a in this? the upward few about you play economy. are hear You now. your And and revised also, a on lot the expenses driving more a 'XX outlook? across times detail that we seeing Company's year we fiscal the

Jeremy Barnum

Yes.

So, a couple of there. things

biggest tough. if you note, to there XX. volume driver as is And is -- expense, it where revised Well, it's... yes, So from we and you XX the single have revenue-related up

Jamie Dimon

The in what comp, competitive no to be we're comp going takes. matter it

the back your at that of keep mind. Let's

Jeremy Barnum

It's pockets. marketing It's It also transaction-related certain a of comp. also expense bit is little volumes. in

from the it's point So, our were all category bit volume in and an revenue-related. on is little But of markets, and revenue and CIB the that across CCB, general prior built stuff the all outperforming we're obviously, AWM, even that perspective, the And wealth guidance. focused NII the now. in pockets, management [ph] we're expense into NIR right think headwinds a fits IB, expectations I actually

So of dynamic kind that's the there.

inflation, economy little inflationary of did if degree XX not mine In I guess would the the a of we're And a year. little assume actuals. is that that's our that of going is say to obviously, a include we be in the in terms terms But in or your as as to higher lesser that inflation would slightly to in as a it this seeing expectation a of reasonable good challenge a for but environment. greater future, bit be whole probably bit

Operator

from question is Usdin Ken line next the of coming Our Jefferies. from

Ken Usdin

limitations? have fitting talked do as middle the that Thanks. there, on if we the magnitude versus from you about buyback. $XX sheet thinking vis-à-vis dividend, should you just we about of Again, the -- on balance how of the you your And and here far you points clarity as Jeremy, capital. ongoing just the for I billion in follow could the balance on open us do we just just there's about authorization the just kind be how what buyback gave growth the up know

Jeremy Barnum

Yes.

we balance it is the lot. about it we to mean I a talk answer So how

balance which, when mixture with SLR trying of And talked a can to as it lot We prefs minimums between you our know, the the smart all I people kind we're at pref, address and managing. we to think have it, the of constraints so about constraint, the looking especially that and before, risk-based of comes balance Jen different common.

So, that. we're looking at

disposal bit is deposit previously, said on think going there growth stay bit we're the to try between prefs buybacks and low SLR. the and strike with But, the pref high of management the five-year a right flexibility I lockout. little little I helps us cost to nimble recognizing potentially which overissuing balance to side, of our because issuance, RRP as tools a at with locks that the use prefs helping into

So, there's a lot out of balancing there, as and we're evolution potentially the rules. information of just the staying trickles nimble on

Ken Usdin

then, And the broad we'll as in find as opposed Okay. as about past. Is just a giving the you as around of to will how more buyback more so fair? just quarterly expectations it buybacks you guys then basis that communicate, your far outlook happened out a on

Jeremy Barnum

Yes.

rather $XX the I than operating from the but that a approved through just it’s Board new that plan think CCAR, sort overall it's environment especially that's an of buyback in right, billion in we're now not perspective, authorization.

publicly other And a At and to look end at always first factors. here. the acquisitions pay end the terms we'll terms to we in day, in what do, stay nimble at ourselves of by to we're And of you invest that, wouldn't box we're I all about time context the Given know, speaking obviously, talked buybacks at of so. the going just and in the the sustainable constraints, dividend. of what multiple of in of capital want our normal look ahead to need going across interesting

Jamie Dimon

all a this III, the in give probably about going certainty is now you how definitive forward. going then after updates, years you'll and to which can Basel more We more they the have operate SLR thing Yes. is and making XX finish and

Operator

Seaport the Our is Mitchell line from Global next Securities. from coming of Jim question

Jim Mitchell

just follow-up the on Maybe business. a card

outlook? You had think about still was how or the do quarter-over-quarter and sure cautious not still cautious. relationship just good between I being a you're the spend that in Is conservative, balances, balance growth, that think growth but of and about little quarter sort X% we your guidance

Jeremy Barnum

Yes.

tried conservative. hard word So, you very I outlook wouldn't We've central our use in case give the to numbers.

going to wrong hopefully, we're it be be So, will wrong, but symmetrically.

to want you don't So, try or optimism we really conservatism unnecessary give baseless case that have them. central numbers to in hard

sort disconnect pay you in NII card muted increase point the the relatively highlight, is and the of apparent loans really the just So, about outlook that between rates. sequential

we So, continue rates we've the balance standards historical result some sheet. really terms see of highly out a consumer that strength pay themes in by of to called of of as very the elevated unusual the

long think bit as which and headwind that's we spend a conversion low revolving into re-lever, true, a consumer balances, effect year. little happen. to just NII sort So, going as seeing until that's starts to likely an be we're the unusually We meaningful be it's of will of don't of to do think this

Jim Mitchell

benefit. fair. the a big charge-offs, That's been that's And on then, obviously

saw a big we I there they think quarter stage we delinquencies, the Is pretty look the quarter. anything if drop? Should declines year progresses, NCOs unusual given this we at early both where in expect trends? and as later stage, further kept falling delinquency throughout

Jeremy Barnum

Yes.

same I and again, buffers X.X. just that I gave, right? in updated we card Like strong guidance the in saying people on sort think charge-offs, are would just performance in themes, the cash NCO to elevated below it's to there's going consumers paying. resulting lower, of be So, But stick upside is surprises which terms exceptionally of

So, sides returning And see continue now, come right balances, of presumably as normal, both slightly should trends. those same we lower to NCOS. XXXX, we coin historical then, back to of there's two better of revolving the sort in

Operator

Fargo from the Securities. from is Mike Wells Mayo line coming of Our question next

Mike Mayo

follow-up, asked question, want the welcome. to answer think My Jamie Hey. Glenn Jeremy, I for I to this question.

strategy, like and the that said, X to acquisitions or, with Bank, some count disrupt than X eight is plus goal since MaxX, Analytics, done, -- X I'm Is Jamie, what more you [ph] plan banking scale across it's it's are December. these to you've plus much CX XXip. strategy? companies, these Nutmeg these Are What's going to some I you Kraft to question cases, each try new introduce of again. of the is the digital as And to kind other century in of here? like create to is, a guess, acquisitions, So avoid I maybe X equal acquisitions reach? question, is it's to that the Is of looking OpenInvest, grand the a of people costs, markets these to too XXst tens this customers real or connect somehow these to maybe as the these millions storefront, the Jeremy

Jamie Dimon

too On pearls, a smart but was asset managing things [ph] there's a management great of it assets. much Obviously, be XXip the linked management. Campbell lumber management is Jeremy business, very deposits, asset and a cetera, doing sense. said bit it eventually who in both and is be et huge in market. we're tax-efficient already little another string A assets Nutmeg, consumers said it's lending global and of product, Timber together, for a I that a investments, has to going category. in reach, small will analyst digital to just investing, offering CX put what there. one. makes UK is

could anything a It data, to little and it A be more fill in, lot of be bit at could discount looking for we're these management. has us. going So, adjacencies. are are which some

going different United digital retail, at see we to lot very And the time have something look can overseas, spend if patience of time. and we we we're to how a build we've So, in than States. got

travel if large at already are of business. you And so, bit the we travel everything. The in little it's look company, that, the cxLoyalty, a so again,

traveled, So, capabilities United card already seventh travel this products include our travel as doesn't going the largest the got and enhanced debit our States. effectively that's travel we to credit card which that the with but cetera, clients, et and are the packages, in remember, the think -- travel agent. in we travel company of And across work to and all services

that. a bit it. not the it's so, work things we're some all But doing of little end with that these a We're okay. We're will lot there, but wasted And to of all be assets. of up going thrilled looking may I'm not time.

Jeremy Barnum

that a of things Mike, through the me done I thing only themes there's is would of come some to the add we've recently. couple that

One ESG. of them is

we experience, whether it's all deliver just And fintech key cxLoyalty, is the through to to is us. You see improving the priority deals customer a various for And AWM the necessary or especially that deals. tools customer want other have that. experience the in

Jamie Dimon

And we're and of a important, services rolled years, going have building. every like we money to putting you're have, the across products next out the Company. new two quarter being equally into lot for new And

just I and more more exciting think more they're and and more integrated, very and et to simple customer good, use, cetera. friendly, more more and

little -- And And we but that. a of go of ahead. so, want we're -- all yes, bit doing

Jeremy Barnum

Go ahead, Mike.

Mike Mayo

comes question over a be five next disintermediated up that's the seems that it's going on know the gotten probably follow-up, the you since everyone call. up to retail years, UK. to it just whether my letter, and about you I disrupting, everybody thought tech more in was and big that as wrote ramping you talked they're the And competitive just Jamie, But much it's disrupting interesting, mean, only fintech CEO big you else. all I this your more. And Are like from and companies, -- that but

maybe executive business? banking from have order White current an data. to the threat outside your to House, of of your share have What’s from You mark-to-market the you

Jamie Dimon

see don't different when thing letter. I I any the Yes. wrote

obviously, always in and we and Walmart. fintech tech brands banking, huge and share think competition big and I capability have profitability. there's and we've huge market and products but landscape, we services have a -- and also and a And got changing banking shadow

these some competitors are think going to I do quite of well.

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Jeremy Barnum

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Operator

of question is America from coming Bank from next Our line Poonawala of Ebrahim Merrill Lynch. the

Ebrahim Poonawala

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Jamie Dimon

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Jeremy Barnum

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Jamie Dimon

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Ebrahim Poonawala

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Jamie Dimon

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Jeremy Barnum

different environment, Yes. from any crisis. are the but one financial always think we in risks are ones I coming this of had There risks in the out the quite global that

Operator

from Our of next question Steven Wolfe Research. is line Chubak coming from the

Steven Chubak

start strike spend could did Jeremy, the optimistic rate, potential as normalization the And just payment of on you the on follow-up payment question revenue from NII. for metric, higher just off that normalize. help just are in So, I baseline trends NII a to card tone an the tailwind future the rate. to and versus rates us with I inputs a wanted start hoping NII looking there given isolate was card in at you another current potential benefit

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Jeremy Barnum

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Steven Chubak

hone I potentially under in steady-state Okay. changes still for G-SIB waiting on the are to front, the surcharge the you I just run target. could a how to specifically understand just better said cushion like made, for G-SIB SEB? seen do trying on you'll have capital it a recalibration to was surcharge. And you one where manage to wanted my on haven't manage or think least at looking you feels with recalibrated, not you to just capital if go, follow-up, ask XX% we Jeremy, any to comment much where the And because basis to you is

Jeremy Barnum

Yes.

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Jamie Dimon

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to don't what's You guess there and sit to have going happen.

Jeremy Barnum

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Jamie Dimon

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Operator

Matt Deutsche Our next O'Connor coming is from Bank. the line from from question

Matt O’Connor

fees. back Obviously, the I is circle stronger-than-expected want by of this year, driven on it costs. some to

is inflationary the you it of mentioned. Some pressures

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Jeremy Barnum

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Jamie Dimon

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Matt O’Connor

stocks as crisis, seems after to thought separately, were soft the then capital allocation a increase of they obviously, of banks couldn't But repurchase like at maintained. COVID I obviously. It cap dividends that doubled. gone, alluded saw dividend think as about the term, pretax longer you sharply, there earnings beginning is dropped to has meaningfully until And very we roughly more XX% you kind mean, were payout? your strong. is buybacks And the suspended, that power Understood.

multiyear in it's your thoughts, going like a get the maybe higher of all So, if payout? pushing just to but maybe is do one to CCAR a recovery, not happen cycle, economic we XX% closer dividend thoughts

Jamie Dimon

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Jeremy Barnum

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Jamie Dimon

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Operator

of The from next line from Capital RBC the coming Gerard question is Markets. Cassidy

Gerard Cassidy

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Jeremy Barnum

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Gerard Cassidy

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Jeremy Barnum

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Gerard Cassidy

you. Thank it. appreciate I

Jeremy Barnum

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Jamie Dimon

Indeed.

Operator

Graseck Our the from next question is Stanley. Betsy Morgan of from coming line

Betsy Graseck

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Jeremy Barnum

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Jamie Dimon

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Jeremy Barnum

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Jamie Dimon

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Betsy Graseck

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Jamie Dimon

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Betsy Graseck

totally get that. I No, Yes.

Jamie Dimon

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Betsy Graseck

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Jeremy Barnum

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Betsy Graseck

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Jeremy Barnum

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Operator

Portales line from question of Peabody from Charles next Our coming is the Partners.

Charles Peabody

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Jeremy Barnum

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Jamie Dimon

Yes.

Jeremy Barnum

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Charles Peabody

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Jeremy Barnum

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Charles Peabody

it did And your the in rate the market-driven rise NII, RRP have -- have any about comments did impact market-driven any on NII?

Jeremy Barnum

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Jamie Dimon

basis X points. About

Jeremy Barnum

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Operator

Markets. from line question Cassidy follow-up A Gerard RBC from is the coming from Capital

Gerard Cassidy

drove If or on Thank you. sale did outlook that you I residential mortgage that? the just color quarter? Can loss the a outlook to say? on business? I wanted give the you also, you But area? servicing How was what us sustained should gain margins follow-up. guys so, some Jeremy, any in a small volumes, this Any on about or lending loss also say margins

Jeremy Barnum

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becomes bigger compression, so. obviously... much corresponding And you as have part of mix-based originations, margin the So, a

Jamie Dimon

all-time And It's not getting all-time it's even just -- at highs. normal. now, highs. … was

Jeremy Barnum

exactly. Yes,

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Gerard Cassidy

Yes. very Thank much. you

Jeremy Barnum

Yes.

Operator

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Jeremy Barnum

you, Thank Jamie.

Jamie Dimon

you. Thank Also all talk to soon. you

Jeremy Barnum

it. I survived Well,

Operator

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