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Participants
Kristina Munoz Director of Investor Relations
Mike Leskinen Vice President Corporate Development and Investor Relations
Scott Kirby Chief Executive Officer
Brett Hart President
Andrew Nocella Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer
Gerry Laderman Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Savanthi Syth Raymond James
Andrew Didora Bank of America
Jamie Baker JPMorgan
Catherine O'Brien Goldman Sachs
Sheila Kahyaoglu Jefferies
Hunter Keay Wolfe Research
Helane Becker Cowen and Company
Duane Pfennigwerth Evercore
Myles Walton UBS
David Vernon Bernstein
Joseph DeNardi Stifel
Justin Bachman Bloomberg
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Operator

Good morning, and welcome to United Airlines Holdings Earnings Conference Call for the Second Quarter 2021. My name is Brandon, and I'll be your conference facilitator today.

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Kristina Munoz

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Scott Kirby

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Brett Hart

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Andrew Nocella

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Gerry Laderman

morning, everyone. Good Andrew. Thanks,

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fully path We that, plan. I'll power earnings achievements have And with and us be over hand the now and to it maximize on shifted United the that Kristina customers the prepared Airlines our crisis fly. throughout focus airline plan to execute to believe to choose long-term the for our the We towards our start Next fully to both United Q&A.

Kristina Munoz

Thank you, Gerry.

will ask analyst yourself limit question describe one questions, question. if Brandon, a now to follow the We take to question. procedure please and one please needed up

Operator

[Operator And from Thanks, Kristina. Instructions] Raymond James, we have Syth. Savanthi

Savanthi Syth

guide both factors revenue driving strong to is XQ XQ peers. for in your and wondering, Your very was of and are assumptions one relative that what business compared that to and demand I recovery? are you what building strength

Andrew Nocella

example, more tailwind a a to of us those hubs, of during leisure great crisis, for which which We particular, the were that, it our during about say this, over in to flip in coastal the say forward, again, goes last our little really QX And, said year. goes for think the an Newark pandemic, of traffic And really I communities are those in community -- now, is to the see a those lot I this than that so demand I’d hubs and United have hubs in down. I out particular opportunity provide few What calls hubs lot color, significant for country. and conference suffered see. guide domestic going business really including is when and kind around acceleration are small mid-cons think, that mid-con more of headwinds, and going small to

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come. So there's more a to lot

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Savanthi Syth

seasonality a it you maybe But just similarly towards airlines. leisure follow to, better normalize lot tilting as other network? at or EFR lately, seems just if mix capacity of change markets those a kind Andrew new not understand job of what here an did wondering, things like trying opportunity some up also of the and on the remain really just just there's to to of

Andrew Nocella

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I think others. forecast will than revenue better be our

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Operator

we Andrew And from Bank Didora. of have America,

Andrew Didora

that Andrew follow maybe curve you now into the can today in have Just you Maybe about terms how of back of to in revenues revenue normal XQ any periods? April? maybe color already how percentage your changed booking of XQ revenues. compares question And can is more of booked outlook talk of really give a right as compared Savi's now are in to I over sort anticipated us a and has course of there on XQ, kind what XQ would on lot your to terms assume the visibility

Andrew Nocella

which see. great to is to Sure, to return everything is normal, starting

really have I'd about we now, and into, books. XX% about but And less September our the in revenue business we feel really is And on very have bullish traffic right of August. we So good. July August say as QX visibility visibility looks I good in that for quite obviously, think still particular, returned.

So view. returning the from exactly point is particularly are quickly yet, overall, isn't booking things curve there but to domestic getting normal. of normal it The

is XX% positive domestic care So for hopefully the and your months we in takes the quarter. expect But about booked add that entity that three all for again, of I'll PRASM do also question.

Andrew Didora

helpful. XQ And X the the in Got it. out in here [over stage That's engaged impact differentials point] then, you CASM called Gerry, from [ph].

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Gerry Laderman

all stats. gauge, and Stage Yes. those obviously impact

to So TRASM. on some impact there going as well is be

Andrew Nocella

aircrafts is to Movers. of the those will point Hawaii we capacity large view add. we hub. XXX grounded And There hub used faced -- are is for capacity domestic are and dilemma a from I the that

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So hopefully as think that TRASM. as gives as impacts it to color we you well how CASM

Operator

And JPMorgan, we Baker. have Jamie from

Jamie Baker

a so. the every things York I to seem a in the you couple XX follow a weeks to at Scott, So kind up happen industry of to asked question bad noticed event I of that or New years ago,

– the relates So probably as the guide, follow here it to it like we're clear. in looks Anyhow, the XXXX up

Scott Kirby

glad full have Definitely to perspective.

Jamie Baker

targets. you these So financial have

of hit You in bump. targets? the sacrifice delivery protect the some the just sort CapEx the you priority the do Or history, Basically, can speed and you Or do understand book order it if a there? adjust targets order Do you have sacred? trying your to a largest the we financial better pull to aircraft lever is schedule? is

Scott Kirby

Well, Gerry I actually let will start.

Gerry Laderman

we based enough adjust at that certainly said, event, the able to book would be we dictate. flexibility to what as Jamie, order Yes, on macro the XXXX, in starting have environment in

later we the as make can years we it. decision a that's approach of So

Scott Kirby

-- we I is true we created target. that think committed are also add that a certainly to record we've want just track I to and And it

requires sure we'll make achieving targets target XXXX to those And the in another, and we're to or We're achieve make that that way going committed targets achieve we and have targets. XXXX out We plan to there. if adjustments one targets. those adjustments our

Gerry Laderman

about not know, those And that one of replacing as us with things nice out, yes, aircraft with as and gauge the aging, aircraft, Jamie, helps helps well doing are those anything which you as us this simply fleet that order some has targets. our

Jamie Baker

of There $X.XX question. bit you then, gallon that's Okay, efficiency, fuel the huge a second to looking modeling a the change a at just wasn't just Thank helpful. first per in both. And in But from little international with of fourth guidance, give quarter. you have well I more happen an mean, consumption some us improvement. on quarter turning as can current you a to bit the quarter, it. if quarter

Gerry Laderman

definition you regional back as of with revert number keep -- I now, just flying the a to normal the will and the a -- efficiency. help mix by in proportion come right give a can higher fuel but back that become Jamie, precise widebodies mind given

Operator

O'Brien. we Sachs, Catherine have Goldman From

Catherine O'Brien

are tailwinds ramp today that into as Thanks. So that should the next called of XXXX. move XXXX we cost, any of to unit and what the about we outside there some maybe up fourth cost levels from be just I down quarter impact? the we move more gauge of on out color should XXX that, headwinds about? know, think thinking we capacity, on are in size X-point one And as other grounding. or the impact abating But the you outside from being year,

Gerry Laderman

actually the of structural ramp length the cost back saving. tailwind is up think reverting aside stage the most I gauge and kind from significant of

that as want those you now, we'll first XX% model to savings more right you for the mid-year. up some And year. in our this color XXXX give right then finalize if ramping you something early numbers quarter, XXX% But could to year, half rest of by of we model that about let's say So in the 'XX. are starting in now,

the So the most as I think we normalize significant business. that's of, probably can tailwind

Catherine O'Brien

you Okay, that, time announcement, noted then when it and Andrew, back you on we hit. I the Chase then, believe and for extension the some And great, a XXXX, maybe of more cash In one drive you that's really annual million in the February details to about at were get entered COVID helpful. got into, XXX throwing increase XXXX. to

flow one guessing or to-date hit to color you P&L really pandemic that Thanks. don't some on for timeframe -- and up. year of expect I'm that. portion we So getting how didn't trend maybe the next uplift, the a But over your what the ramp I give through remember two? you you've hit that pause and us seen can you

Andrew Nocella

we recently, greater Yes. seen XXXX. pandemic, our by are Definitely or to have although, has been equal numbers everything are interrupted now where the than

was everything here So do and about and we're on with coming I just with think products, relationship our in working we're all real creative our But new agreement card is up the spend and and With value our of it's pretty cards financials now. in And that. the putting real, historic there impacted good Chase our we already. incredibly effective right the new the that's excited ideas, the then this Chase we're growth is fueling out cards. with new number in

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Operator

From Jefferies, look Sheila to we have Kahyaoglu.

Sheila Kahyaoglu

additions color a capacity international more capacity bit like below and you are faster around little coming I your around Can seems of mix maybe What CASM the rate. hub. back assumptions and XXXX? it are at and XXXX x domestic? coastal provide maybe, maybe So a appreciate And

Gerry Laderman

give will But you, higher we So it course. XXXX. given more do just precise give it's we'll size I the we stands early to fleet, as you still you tell XXXX guidance, little the today, capacity but the be normal than capacity of the a to course normal expect in can that numbers in the

Andrew Nocella

me with along shock jets think growth summer. growth what international see for year, have our about transatlantic than available, wouldn't the faster incremental next with that domestic that like is to I widebody market look we the we it next going expectation

Sheila Kahyaoglu

remarks, guess you picture, that your of the on you're I that in kept big carriers have Yes. somewhat on widebodies the to that note, prepared one your going. international related side, mentioned

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Andrew Nocella

talked we go details I'll Well, the just our about United to I thoughtfully back all where next plan, think there.

in profitability we unique many in capacity relative importantly, are of absolutely domestic our few are working of those to competitors that our gauge. most to connectivity, industry, factors really where for along, depth, our we And our make next course, we our the schedule, drive really build years elevated years. ways the next sure everybody We think over going customer few with expect our to growth and focus over

make a and United few targets from ago, laid a customer good way York a perspective here. really perspective feel out we this, a that out meet it at together we've minutes laid can in cost here in just we he to Scott that a that the and we've weeks So a to ago sure revenue identified and articulated manage New few

Operator

Keay. Research, From have we Hunter Wolfe

Hunter Keay

for just that this ratchet down think pricing our power should industry? you Do investors, permanent for Scott, expectations

Scott Kirby

No.

Hunter Keay

the did why Why the not on market to now down I'm track lower I price hard sense, when XX% just price. be that that to going record is works makes the pretty forever, a to performance, can multiples such with puts decision see mean, pricing to when and but it pushing for and be deflate It's they're And CASM. it's yield to the you're outrun it able that that is not? it so this industries suggesting industry push clear clear was look right sure satisfying what price. he with

Scott Kirby

the with I look XXXX, And we in I a had XXXX. respect a that. recognize First, record disagree question. But you've premise track pretty perspective got good the of

improvement. degree to a is in it of large was the report grew working think is the by pointed I with This we your continuation XX%. research a out strategies EPS well,

that on travel I focused getting air we're and think really choice. customer decommoditizing

confident our XXXX what travel targets confident growth. this So of the we're XXXX, it's is and going you market disinflating, for particularly shareholders. with more best do that take plan about in working. like I ability that percentage think of you be our It than to is are combined we I'm But and that, without mix the the do the when conservative arguably It domestically report. seems decommoditize revenues, going research look like XXXX evidence the your think XXXX, even was good far for was that term to I the can that's I'm going our ultimately to our international to that used.

Hunter Keay

that XXXX, appreciate disrespectful to conversation. you A question below Gerry. Okay. you, the to with ‘XX are in Yes, if modeling Scott. assume be Should to and quick the us going ‘XX want the we help above too, thanks that? for I out you, don't have for or here. be I SWB time, I'd is CASM willing

Kristina Munoz

I'll follow Hunter. up with you offline

Gerry Laderman

get numbers. we'll those No, to Sorry.

Operator

Helane and Cowen Becker. Company, From we have

Helane Becker

question. a of kind So different

have open to you're the just you an recovery And entering are you talk know with contract to contract you so the I XXXX about XXXX. have that again? pilots. You don't about negotiations as agree to know think agreement differentials, able But should Can ramp about it's And your letter the whether those I we when how occurs. or thinking again? that up

Brett Hart

hand pilots of we points them. agreement, company. for or really the the pandemic, of in I'm a can, as work one specifics we've throughout with the for discussing end I of the And to premise reaching don't get question. obviously, an the be -- But in overall appreciate I appreciate at will into hand or or that your good pilots, and the calls. had negotiations you But agreements discussions our the public also our on earnings sure work underlying that are think we confident out part with the get we, question our the working day, do relationship of that of timeframe for we

Helane Becker

you. Thank helpful. that's well, Okay,

other think improvements talking question about able efficiency, you're we deficiencies? through we should How working mark as think there next or minus about in know, some X.X we'll XXXX how us it, to to? the the years? about and like is, Are Andrew think that give don't about, Or Gerry? beyond I the you every Just guidance be just that going those quarter to for is we number X% should

Gerry Laderman

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our through continuing CASM years. guidance out few next come it'll So, over the

Operator

Evercore From ISI, Pfennigwerth. have we Duane

Duane Pfennigwerth

haul flights maybe think no sort do function you Just no maybe your if back. more we this And a passenger capacity And, but couple from in you back. a said coming just capacity just I more think cargo total, me total? I on of freighters, is that. dedicated expand freighters. about in demand more But assume think you How Andrew, your on cargo. about longer could cargo of coming

Andrew Nocella

correct. Sure,

cargo going be stand. able flights, by not reason we're yields that is in aircraft currently more to disappointed only deployed that, given The the for do be obviously markets. are can where to We passenger better

are we'd The markets both. markets, passenger are exactly they would continue optimal do missions are we grounded would XX aircraft but If those otherwise also flexibility to on had. not less of cargo, clearly because ability front that we the do than have just cargo cargo many means XXXs program have they're However, not our this optimal have flying, those we markets.

the off already That being amount quarter gotten and cargo we good this significant our we different look got these back all think we're when another going it's we've passenger air, be as planes to available going then it's in really in the and forecasts start. we fly properly great think QX still of a So really said, accounted is to in have to we capacity cargo for put and flights. at in to

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Duane Pfennigwerth

to I super is United Scope? upgauge with frequency, is That's maybe you're update period commentary beyond from my less on are be thinking that the longer lack to would or about where of still Scope. maybe you many something that about the maybe think helpful. Scope makes the it seaters. around talked have big investor a a forecast recent have in offered, just implies up of term XX follow that a obviously Main frequency there lot sense. about XX something optimal. And high kind XX should seaters just you talked think, But for Line, markets in going be that think past, I to And XX seater a How we interpreting fully

Andrew Nocella

a out. or There's that all MAX cascade the induct seat the not we when the clear, a down. AXXX starts replacing at [ph] be To it's XX, it goes way XX NEO, CRJ [route] an top

vision. So to Next new go often the XX seater XX, routes today to United will route XX, in

we sure, XXX% just still the economics described, a of different but than maybe are So not that do that. will you little I'm bit so

depth, said, also the gauge, which going communities, going increase to we're to or to laid and this next It intention in smaller we to detail. plan. great and out As service grow either scheduled right we think to our communities that at size hubs not fleet really is we've and it's not our And being scheduled by smaller in reduce is the That counts way it. do depth. a look United our

our is a bit hubs again, but most most mid-continent where of the is gauged. Given there's the of stand, hubs, frequency, growth of growth gauged, little where particularly our

answer hopefully So helps question. that the

Operator

Walton. Myles From have we UBS,

Myles Walton

of return curious a to high you've risk or a efficiency It's follow of question a using up put around govern But the the assets long-term bit alongside your under go of as your metrics, your income, question metric financial if thought being way to again. sort about to perhaps guys, which a pre-tax schemes margin, I'm pre-tax utilization? capital answer on incentive invested efficiency

Gerry Laderman

return of of of our those want we actually make We rule kind is making at look thumb investments. the justify investments to on always mid-teens kind and to

that's things. always to ultimately, So I look part the at But think, of day, pre-tax, is equation. way of end best the the at the do

we're it of just go that on components look do returns but into we investments other all at The making.

Myles Walton

[indiscernible] in is pre-tax just But income scheme, Okay. the governing metric? form the not

Gerry Laderman

do. that one expect the reflects just it's we how think I to

Mike Leskinen

even XXX a older Hey, think return replacing new some would aircraft. capital. that you Myles, mid-teen just MAX invested Mike if Leskinen. is getting you about of look technology, I that with this into add on scenario, you're aircraft in Even the

cost so invested and ROICs the on margin, are capital, pre-tax ahead well are it gating average And the of but weighted item, hurdle. of return we driving capital our a is

Operator

David From Bernstein, we have Vernon.

David Vernon

a this talk So kind bit to have kind for talk talk much Next if to the if in strategy. also, can might the higher having the how you earned relative strategy. a Scott, couple basis, exposed will. should is how you about we limiting that earn out can of whether that, this how you you whether a that buzzword, of see maybe you of way just about this implement about United about upside I'm without a of actually premium think and this is about just how departure. I you get might on wanted competition about years about changing a be decommoditizing could investors on there's much is a that level put next is you to that inventory revenue the low-cost day-to-day market little seats the in a over also And if so, wondering And revenue think priced you if here if just pushback at that travel, a high to the little since

Scott Kirby

and can want. Well, on Andrew I'll start add you if

product. customers air the quality care and point do hard do to on a decommoditizing it about today. quantification about about care put But I On travel. think It's precise

talk and get or just people and customers If to you watch airplanes on flying. airplanes

strategy. the that room two conclusion. U.S. airline There's certainly at a us in States. the to of think country, And, frankly, in inescapable biggest two the for be There's think and one the on hubs to that seven our is of this successful. are. least markets was the an decade in I United it market embarked premium travel in ago where pursue hubs the because largest our for opportunity I quite It's us United that most has, happen

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Andrew Nocella

to for is had able United under that the no thing seaters were monetize And premium way, competitors just correct which And long. as underrepresented those category really and big to demand. class was we do change just it of is on We number prior aircraft XX it wrong competitors progress we And the the only XXX, indexed products with and simply dual our being aircraft, that class day a premium add flying introduction all, and would I board single function correct wrong We it. already into premium with great all by The going to quickly. product step cities down. no approximately lot our And seats. of at see have CRJ take flying hubs it against XX that, in premium to that with is to a we're our pandemic on the up saw seats. the really we're premium this XXX seat, we going

Operator

Joseph have we Stifel, DeNardi. From

Joseph DeNardi

see the yourselves side? on CapEx? billion you think? you Scott X in you in CapEx year need below And widebody or delivery that, does do an that talk When When Gerry, getting about what address to can based then start the on you with order? needs do do

Gerry Laderman

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the you focus can the come of And can depends Andrew his right so I on is team Andrew and recovery speed on really provide narrowbody. has the that some the really the world. tell now And but it that And throughout color, then both with. opportunities

Andrew Nocella

reiterated large some I just number Yes, took those of but I've Gerry, to pandemic, widebody over I'll right or coming are delivery ordered because saw aircraft what I of that XX the months. a said, online prior add just we we aircraft, the think next

to we'll up XXXX. So to schedule XX summer available the incremental widebody have of for jets

years, So does and that of growth really lot conditions. a possibly provide market depending on a number of for

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us have allow to that optionality. to So

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Gerry Laderman

back growth, straightforward the financial we it to they just that just justify which that need goes about, add, those, the I'll those we that returns, fairly they demonstrate And do. talked to hit can that analysis targets to

Andrew Nocella

has otherwise And so sending one more a their of this because retention I'll structural think XXX-XXX aircraft The that feel airline done be years, add few next that machines. talking and really are comfort over passenger don't about I they I that gives new I and competitive to the as about we're of flown These costs, trip passionate size the CASM new And think amazing routes earlier, and advantage. that many Croatia could route profitably. point. enabled said the between I this

Joseph DeNardi

Okay.

XXXX able range still the billion the think, I this or call to then it down to $X come elevated. about So $X back Scott, talked, you billion CapEx, or last before is And call aspirational that doubling an of we should significantly? are do to What kind discount behind EBITDA heard loyalty. haven't you. that. the that? Thank goal that Is on much being like drivers

Scott Kirby

have it's can our that, too, until one one those goal, it's for have to if choose I though, wouldn't going it, not we're this something because this another have announce, meeting we team to announce until it. the something earlier an we're they're me think update. of that announce, those later get morning Well, today to of it, And and you saw something to discount I looking you is going I on we to want. to But do

announcement. on So to activity to not to we're But we are doing, there's of probably a we're until big say it. publicly a lot ready make going anything have

Gerry Laderman

CapEx, to give projections on really it's pay beyond CapEx And too early XXXX.

Operator

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Scott Kirby

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Operator

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Justin Bachman

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Andrew Nocella

still is the we penetration the pretty our from by of from the point seven on a historic premier and what to aircraft see We We that population MileagePlus tell MileagePlus carefully, particularly MileagePlus can below about norms strength or this those view borders premier and or gaining is back of track points. number particularly customers haul. closed are back that and because fly to you while only are they members aren't each generally that And and and global to are particular ones get credit are difficult are and month using again And the cards. more into. more our coming long our flying eight

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Operator

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Scott Kirby

what it like. Well, I look don't know would

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Gerry Laderman

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Andrew Nocella

summer around again, about in in month down return we're And even in newspaper down up did occurs overall, in right normal business we're may start. on We've in now. or XX% based then, advanced I read only therefore, to this of to we number September, where season bookings And anticipating XX%. the the our a also the travel. think back end in seen already get we come January, in once some anticipating I new September return new to to business as that September. are then when step and normalcy. you're example, and finish Obviously, the budget for XX% October November, where expect for better are And to that the continue now but that

Operator

Thank you.

turn now back Kristina will closing We remarks. to it Munoz for

Kristina Munoz

next. call you if the today. Relations forward questions to look Relations talking for you in Media contact Please Thanks the further we and Investor have joining or to any

Operator

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