GATX (GATX) 19 Apr 182018 Q1 Earnings call transcript

Good day, and welcome to the GATX First Quarter Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Jennifer McManus. Please go ahead.

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining GATX’s 2018 first quarter earnings call. North Brian and and Executive CFO; and of by Executive Bob Vice today President President Vice and Rail joined Kenney, CEO; President Lyons, President I’m America. Tom Ellman, the Please note today consist forward-looking of you’ll during our will information statements. that discussion hear of some results could from differ Actual statements forecasts. or trends materially or

or XX-K or information, assumes events no GATX please risk revise For reflect XXXX. forward-looking circumstances. to more to factors discussed to update for the refer in any statements GATX’s Form obligation subsequent

get Time to our I held I'd Monroe. in Meeting the XXXX or be brief will The It numbers commentary Earlier at diluted on first per provide income to XXXX begins Trust slides XX:XX million meeting at Before The Chicago XX. posted today, of be quarter Northern quarter into at million at diluted and corner remind net This $X.XX PM will Building the of the compares $X.XX will Downtown first is be GATX $XX.X on April net LaSalle quarter, website to Central Annual like Kenney's Monday, that in from of everyone or Shareholders which www.gatx.com. $XX.X Brian presentation share. a reported share. and our per income

address at renewal segment. success was Now XX.X% I'll rate the briefly fleet quarter stable America's our and each at Rail of utilization remains North first the end XX.X%.

lease negative the price During XX.X% was changed XX an GATX’s index term the quarter, of average months. renewal of rate with of renewal

anticipate to leasing as least is a current not environment XX% release, the improvement still is the volatility sequential in the remains which the of As the We change negative result challenging. be annual XXXX earnings indicated in at LPI uncommon. quarterly

agreement. cars replace order our from successfully XXXX our with nearly to supply [XXX] railcars placed continue committed We from

deliveries customers already through have scheduled placed of end XXXX. We the of

which seeing of Within across our representing America market million majority remained expected remarketing car fleet saw $XX affiliates. quarter investment International’s the approximately for performance of in XXXX. the GRE, results but Rail good Lake. utilization management the by European remains during is We quarter with in leasing sailing vessels we anticipate service demand March the North primarily steady are Rolls-Royce $XX.X Company's secondary during activity Rail robust. were start Great Europe was off still started the was of Rail Rail the American to The the market million Steamship first America's XX solid approximately railcars in in North XXXX. volume at for vast in XX.X%. most International, increased tank a and also India. was income investment season we stable. driven Partners Finance the on GATX and Portfolio remarketing late of

mix under remains aircraft nearly shares grow. active continues was share engine our engine the the GATX for spare repurchase fleet of diversified our total and Our remarks. are $XX buying prepared million. authorization back XXX,XXX approximately Those a during strong utilization to quarter,

the So open Q&A. so can I’ll over for up it to hand now, operator, we

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Matt come will from Brooklier question Please with ahead. go Research. next Buckingham The

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So the planned year, but we'll and we anticipate continue some for in could there don't the point sales be while nothing opportunities market significant the this to of activity major at during time. gauge any balance

return We adhere to around maximum and is long-term have our a built generating shareholders. for that we process fleet which the optimization

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question This maybe Bob. for

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than maintenance versus obviously the depreciation bit year a million value larger a North American fleet's little standpoint from actually today bigger a less a XXXX. than And item Yes. QX, $X items, The up line the was ago. XXXX only was QX, it line the netbook rail

depreciation run exactly your number International for America So almost last higher, Rail we're bit. as that's, same total Rail this income up the bit if is year we that's at the they were North look going off a statement a expenses little really, actually little were numbers year. to

line driver that the was anything on expense more correct. of Some else than that

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commercial execution team. very and again strong Tom So his by

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majority vast of is car types, XXXX. still available in delivery the For

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will The Please with next Stifel. go from Baudendistel question Mike come ahead.

segment, investible cars sounds ask where will it market see to and an into fleet? on lease about you maybe you from mean leasing be segment International like wanted is I levels that’s in just you talk I or adding there area the the opportunity from that the rail above there either rates can the rising

because and for for hasn’t you been Sure asked that years well very really very really the I'm market GATX performed good. last had - the glad XX

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this said, €XXX we expectation. XXXX, to point, about of Europe million that to year, as in Brian at volume €XX investment of just Rail GATX north the last add that is million And and on Mike, did

nice the Brian of up made. So there all a and comments reflective

ahead. Justin go The next Gabelli question come from Bergner & will with Company. Please

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was It both, Justin. actually

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from Securities. go come ahead. Global will with Willard Milby Please question Seaport next The

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question follow from Justin next up is The Please Stephens. go Long ahead. with a

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front. of gradual So that despite terms the we challenges will certainly continue the rate improvement see this lease in

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Brian [Operator question go from ahead. will come Instructions] William Please Hogan Blair. next with The

and questions, a Just in India but. one, still your there, I update, efforts us give few know you Russia, early can little

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market. So great in question. are rate that's Obviously, our higher emerging higher a lease dramatically investment and way is for rate factors hurdle

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going there So obviously we're open. our in eyes with

can American Steamship, you to I seeing the Steamship, there? opportunity environment the competitively you into and share. describe longer that American I'm taking term getting guess market what there [indiscernible] are

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