GEF Greif

Matt Eichmann VP, IR & Corporate Communications
Pete Watson President & CEO
Larry Hilsheimer CFO
Ghansham Panjabi Robert W. Baird
Chris Manuel Wells Fargo
Adam Josephson KeyBanc
George Staphos Bank of America
Justin Bergner Gabelli & Company
Ketan Mamtora BMO Capital Markets
Dan Jacome Sidoti & Company
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Good morning. My name is Kelly and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Greif's Fourth Quarter and Fiscal 2017 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Matt Eichmann, you may begin your conference.

Matt Eichmann

Thank you, Kelly, good morning everyone. quarter XXXX fourth conference Greif's to and earnings fiscal Call. Welcome

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Pete Watson

and Matt, morning, you, good to everyone, and call. our Thank welcome

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Larry Hilsheimer

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Pete Watson

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ahead. from Please question comes first Panjabi go Ghansham R.W. Baird. Our Instructions] [Operator from

Ghansham Panjabi

hurricane operating cost segment did impact than RIPS, you the for the also inventory for it mix it worse Or in thought So first charge profit where the initially you for perhaps if price off, quarter? come in and you adjust or was that would thought?

Larry Hilsheimer

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than anticipated, So lower we I'd slightly Ghansham. say

Ghansham Panjabi

then us volumes so your guidance? can packaging for embedded a basis of also for XXXX. for you of help And much. between for my year-over-year second EBITDA a on as give improvement in a years? bridge And sort question, company the us the What's can outlook the two just you sense better industrial whole as Thanks

Pete Watson

Yes, let question. in Larry we some and address of let the XXXX see second me for Ghansham, the assumptions the and I’ll that rationale talk volume about

as [end in look you toward Rigid big our weighted our steel. at factor chemical all positive their producer. The chemical of advantaged got if in X% environment So because in globally, a America low-cost assumptions the better use] planned Industrial [ph] growth more and in position expansions segments Packaging North of industry business we’ve is

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our that’s we assumptions have year XXXX I'll on on ask budget. to XXXX. this in to from the our Larry bridge And So volume comment

Larry Hilsheimer

of further November, products a for In of in PPS, discrete XXX gross are our just December. budget whole is no X%. anticipating in relative in PPS Ghansham, our is to actually assumption shy specialty roughly as things business basically price of a our what's across our except profit maybe index Rigid we’re OCC improvement some increases

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next Our question comes from ahead. Wells Chris Manuel go Fargo. Please from

Chris Manuel

Good business questions. morning years past better here of shape. a couple on lot the progress of and gentlemen Couple over of a getting in much congratulations the

I today that having sit in start. when the for sets kind at you of business look when up better First, we where shape,

than X.X leverage is times. less Your

X where being target to us with Help from here. we talk go X.X. You about

there? wanted you to then focus how XX, know of really return capital look? the pipeline I thought in does got shareholders. about you talk to kind process the I point think What’s that on a shows, acquisition four So And here where Slide slide I

like So that the absent next well about such think repurchase acquisition it dividends either XX over more or months? sounds as how or you

Larry Hilsheimer

turn on that about side. just over let numbers we me Yes maybe Chris, talk Pete then I’ll M&A some comment where on to are first,

first to business. As cyclicality level our in our go there’s little you of know as - bit quarter will relative generally debt up

So, where things see we’re one. in go watching,

both transactions first a as at depending are are any. we if And if then desirable. mentioned we We’re going do And projects M&A we confident we potential identify actions what in believe we’re to on quarter. good that we’ll re-examining also CapEx other be have highly I where take

to comes about first time So I to something up say in in us M&A something more plans. from would the in call quarter the likely not probably side, more unless timeframe but hear second quarter

Pete Watson

and to we it we’ve our just relates got paths in growing strategic Chris, and production have increases so businesses. we’re as to capital been in of in IBCs as increases plans paper In said who got core in plastic packaging two communicated our allocation, integration, the capital and operations well, reiterate, And to as process those market, we capabilities and expansion have executing.

this I year. mid by think

seeing start some will that. We evidence of

follow that’s acquisitive we’ll core. expansions talked of forward, reliant businesses core and to and process Going Rigid in be packaging we also the to going a blend opportunities strategic within both the capital about paper our

Greif and write we’re excited opportunities for the So of Greif the we’re about how how following the we’re and to chapter three next going or process, we’re very active in the of future years. we’re for pursuing next process that five the

Chris Manuel

that, in I release maybe follow you in used in sounded I some million you little on you seeing that - growth we’re little material think to some the of given it but say I and pretty color heard of how I little again have know raw that? a use maybe question, do about a there or stuffs, up Larry year, think sounded conservative bit the bit you a working numbers you of sounded bit the something million big and $XX think say side, this year next those $XX I My heard capital about were like

Larry Hilsheimer

hold relative to to would on our will we our reducing focus Chris. ourselves we cost increase continue went Clearly year. we receivables of little material That’s up year, because I maybe cycle sale, probably gun to want days in and a to if didn’t this because our higher how see fair, shy material over any price mean rapid raw the to raw expectations sales. percentage

somewhat pretty there yes a has sort there, on raw increased But But and could on conservatism I So mean clearly would is year working some be of fair. maybe with I Pete pressure comment we your flat think this capital. saying sales up dramatically. in be burden then little going and I got


question [Operator Instructions] from from Please Adam KeyBanc. next comes Our Josephson ahead. go

Adam Josephson

the whatever for we Analyst in right, go Larry tax so think tax implementing rate I were planning rate questions was June, to you I similarly despite planning of three called guided related you third that thought there, a you’re called and months aware you Day planning these gave to dramatically what that incurred XX%, you expecting, about of to? just implementing guess couple lower ago just you’re so rate, be guidance the what were you was strategies tax so back the a last and that you I what know tax these just strategies when also tax XX% tax than costs you, understand was additional of if would me tax how talking obviously quarter, it you’re help about these out,

Larry Hilsheimer

didn’t at to and So we to don’t we annual so effective fourth guidance, like but likely. getting clear, give not in just is was and give tax part at everything say prospects - given guidance it other knew quarterly that QX where we that be so would rate be the the that quarter even the of at appear this very point all did executed I time the time of that call,

because able things be being got some us if proud arrangements before these hard told to that team together that internally is things these to of end of amount had I our by legal that us the troops the we and that tax extremely on and group year really the get amount me inter-company our accomplish of all Subsequent get enormous. executed year information could the restructuring internal had things restructuring, and gather really elimination, they a to diligent help time, and not get I’m that got way entity all external and anticipate the boards, that came we of done stuff extremely and the So potentially to did came execute done end. thought to rallied work done to to massive lot done.

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if I And bit, SG&A drive it a value the I’m line. up our shareholders we and more up to more bottom did all than drive we the little on the obviously to can so happy SG&A our pleased time I’m drove did,

that’s the situation. So

Adam Josephson

And the year? taxes us cash your booked followed were be fiscal compared $XX perhaps tell extent then your haven’t free thought cash was taxes I to you were you with what tax what but cash flow in you can your rate and million, fiscal your K ’XX and 'XX what would they know for in that your in boosted what

Larry Hilsheimer

rate, make, about that what our obviously we because tax so taxes cash is I decided think we cash don’t I down roughly that we not pay the to million. Adam can improved went payments $XX tell didn’t have you

Adam Josephson

From fiscal you 'XX mean?

Larry Hilsheimer

it’s the be we and I had QX we where to guidance the From roughly it improvement. anticipated ’XX same think year-over-year for when

Adam Josephson

the part lower had, taxes? was So than that higher of and why free CapEx cash what was you lower the so

Larry Hilsheimer

cash and the to pleased with range been anyway have you would flow all but things bottom the close very it we mean free I I’m still very look combined so our even without of end it. obviously generation our Yes, at that


go next from comes George Staphos ahead. of Our Please Bank America. question from

George Staphos

yesterday? expect missing call wanted of what factors a Ghansham's of about it XX on on XXX with basically ultimately you EBIT range, be those you're maybe anything talked in said range that if question, terms note guidance, we're today guidance we the know the and take had your somewhere in that I guidance - to XXX some slide we XXX what getting and to our guess I I different EBITDA here to so and approach I don’t in obviously to calculus EPS take should

Larry Hilsheimer

said to XXX on… You XXX

George Staphos

grown but around a there $X EBITDA D&A million EBIT giving has well. that XXX I’m around Yes, XXX you considering range as up roughly with around in roughly

Larry Hilsheimer

on a range that low EBITDA. maybe in Probably little

George Staphos

a little so I low, that? Meaning presented the number higher would be was than

Larry Hilsheimer

slightly Yes, up.

George Staphos

of in that mentioning guys. and guide and that here, did was the you��re actually million Brazil, knit quarter? largely good question, which Couple over of earlier of the that quarter year closed million was that type other what million, you, Thank segment your the somewhat earlier OCC I in XX tax impairment in the one the or turn And sort fourth benefit things in and will come was $XX back. that $X was the

Larry Hilsheimer

the came of thing it goodwill is vast fourth was of America in and Most that then the minor the in everything. amount benefit the OCC majority some in SG&A one-time was Latin benefit So that third quarter. quarter the Brazil was vast, primarily in of

Pete Watson

bucks. X About million

Larry Hilsheimer

$X million.


comes from & Company. next ahead. Justin Our question Please Gabelli from Bergner go

Justin Bergner

to I make sure, just two wanted I quick one-offs. understood

completed year that mostly America tax this quarter, repeat aided Latin fourth seeing in benefit the that you’re won’t quarter’s in next was the so just that So that results?

Pete Watson

there in that’s Yes, element but about and to talking SG&A it through tax. be in tax flow because clear that primarily is was was not the tax type are tax the an a Justin we line of bad line

Justin Bergner

And that again to Hurricane referring you’re Rigid clarify related. then was in that how just not was Could large? what you and charge that the

Pete Watson

that supply warehousing the looked that manage efficiently centralizing inventories we we’re end than times to cost use do the - off, gains. often to okay look move So $X.X up businesses got worth more it go to our inventory majority these long-term we’ve transport even and and need at no you’re million places. doing on if it by of and some the and had as we identified write conclude Is it. by you I’ve when centralize our going got manage to able not be inventory were efficiency chain of more But our supply in it I write-down it in related the different all I’ve to benefiting

Justin Bergner

that But results? was from adjusted the Okay. removed

Pete Watson


Justin Bergner

than over picture to strategy And without away aggregate results? seems walking volume range, big from it in business guide Okay. to which that the the the to XXXX, of that of how X% sort away given the walking view to high economies, view would then given sort the help sort adjusted that global to I sort you it maybe gels top-down some was volume goal still presumably sort volume wondering top-down just one world? sort for if X% That Rigid, was X% question, of of your even of could me if of X%, you’re seems of value your would just pursue of higher be understand I I like guess a volume for very at suggest look

Pete Watson

quick see you overview we a economy to the so how volume first and Yes, a assumptions. then related of I’ll global give

low global growth, very So and is there credit macroeconomic very is access favorable. is obviously positive there to pretty volatility

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please any So that’s your other delve issues you let into that question if answers you know? me further Justin, to hope have wanted

Justin Bergner

little in was X% of sort environment of in bridge? by Yes the you IP seems step-up the to impacted because hurricane in global I sort just a fourth difficult much follow-up volume Rigid's quick do mean, know how X% strong to the quarter still the X.X%

Pete Watson

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Mamtora Capital Markets. question Please next from comes Ketan go ahead. BMO Our from

Ketan Mamtora

more this So at size interesting and are point? you this first do question larger agnostic type find are on you on acquisitions perhaps bolt-on or point most at acquisitions What of M&A. businesses more focused or you areas

Pete Watson

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Ketan Mamtora

let’s get have, say other And special absent on regular to do options versus the returning both leverage dividend perhaps shareholders quarter repurchases Larry you M&A and you might think shareholders. second any a you X.X have if dividends then just follow-up say about about this, times A, the cash my on let's on if about to think but that to do might cash more you you you versus have you question, in said you returning share it basis think to might sorry and say

us give high a about how you think it. Just at level

Larry Hilsheimer

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ahead. from [Operator Instructions] Dan Company. Jacome next question from Sidoti comes Our Please & go

Dan Jacome

can the board this us my at questions, differently was the do more of XQ little wall progress second triple you're question learn versus Kentucky. What did quick and you you IDC. give expansion quarter two then with on a or Just just making flavor

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Pete Watson

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Dan Jacome

or - I you a new capacity that Is how do is saying. Greenfield that was machines - it, is opportunities know you’re mean what it

Pete Watson

new existing it It's it because build-outs technology needs acquisitive our growth all us see be in capital customers Greenfield requirements. capacities more and our and will to and our probably for either as you facilities product expanding in won't IBCs facilities relates or of


Adam from Our Please next go question Josephson from ahead. KeyBanc. comes

Adam Josephson

and and the business. Pete follow-ups, one taking one Larry just two on reconditioning OCC for Thanks on

you may January – think OCC OCC OCC on costs. this huge happen. have quite and earlier you're If particularly and what year many very you've Just do well you prices that assume for is may expect prices well obviously the between on containerboard do - which year, raise lower in a what OCC not that on higher may companies or were the happen impact if indeed guided OCC to than what any high much here your prices that obviously not relationship still containerboard given so assuming spike you and stays based what inventories

Larry Hilsheimer

of our we or did the stated. of in layered Adam, OCC guidance when in in Larry inflation so what timing budget was things, so in we prices the couple the have of

in to won't you $XXX probably trying it the we feel XX of forecast upside February and are and any potential in in price it we don't have an increases, comment how different comfortable obviously maybe months we future low if see XXXX, comfortable to rate fairly stays relates agree, us here it's the of as to commodity advance. price our our one can for upsides price a maybe guidance ton that to timing that just all but step the be markets. activity in of we as think blended regardless one the potential - relates packaging, of to So How OCC the we on offers in I paper increase

Adam Josephson

is? you costs what of terms the between in in that do it business, and think But prices relationship

Pete Watson

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Adam Josephson

three EPA And has of several issued facilities, update what's so Thank liability had us just on with if just and on the obviously a situation going what the reconditioning business your with violation facilities, you notice of Milwaukee reconditioning to result? business Journal potential written related of expecting articles as on can you. reconditioning the some the on your you're any those a

Pete Watson

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question Staphos of go last from Bank Please George from America. comes Our ahead.

George Staphos

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Pete Watson

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George Staphos

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Pete Watson

disclose by any allegations knowledge. the or public released said stand to what and can’t whistleblower. the X-K and any not comments we on we We make that we of that's by - So we’re going

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further are will Eichmann closing at the call turn time. questions this no remarks. for I now to There back Matt

Matt Eichmann

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