PNC Financial Services (PNC) 12 Oct 182018 Q3 Earnings call transcript

Good morning. My name is Lynn, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the PNC Financial Services Group Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. reminder, is a recorded. As Instructions] this being call [Operator to the of I turn over the will now call Director Mr. Investor Relations, Bryan Gill. go ahead. please Sir,

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now, or share. $X.XX billion, reported As by diluted net income you’ve of we’ve seen $X.X common per

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at cash third both Deposits the year-over-year up quarter, on balances year-over-year. and the down billion billion X% linked-quarter averaged and for the billion Our were basis. $X.X $XX.X $X.X Fed linked-quarter

Equity XXXX, XX, to XXXX, of in other return June X.X% XX, to reflecting As from of income. estimated was X.X%, shareholders September Tier-X our capital decline Common accumulated a as and Basel be continued comprehensive ratio down III

$XXX Importantly, maintained $XXX repurchased paid we $XXX million. We shareholders. to common ratios X.X for we of capital strong even of million and as capital returned million shares dividends million

X.XX%. Our third was for the return assets average quarter on

average on was on and our tangible equity Our common return return XX.XX%. was common equity XX.XX%,

was Our a September X% XX, value year increase to tangible book of an of ago. common share as $XX.XX compared per

up compared Turning million Commercial quarter. Slide compared balances $XXX approximately last billion, approximately the X% quarter to increased the to X. and to lending $X.X or year. million Average $XXX linked-quarter same loans were second

total the throughout payoffs Compared year growth to of exception and were of and same mentioned, a with increased the lending strong which much but real our billion. estate, declined paydowns the $X Bill were $X As commercial ago, was quarter billion substantial. broad-based by quarter, pipelines

to card residential loan seasonal increased linked-quarter decline. period portfolios, a Balances billion, the billion, momentum our Deposits seeing $XXX same mortgage, year-over-year. equity ago. by linked-quarter year by driven On billion consumer credit we’re and continued growth in or Importantly, a home to in deposits $X.X lending installment while increased had growth unsecured $X.X X% deposits. $X increased and approximately commercial education lending. basis, in and million compared auto, We by

deposits consumer quarter, seasonal demand spending. reflecting the consumer During decreased somewhat,

higher rates. increased However, reflecting our time deposits

Within increased cumulative the is the commercial beta in commercial by deposit cumulative third that quarter overall and number, driven XX%, beta stated our shows, level. near slide the to As our consumer. both

cumulative betas, to only which driven overall side stated Increases a the beta expect in continue forward. XX%, is be our our However, will compared by primarily we consumer going level consumer XX%. to of

As growth you quality increased driven quarter to net the linked-quarter, Slide can increased business overall both was credit third strong. quarter, net interest Revenue in for second by dollars, the third income compared as in $XX up and the income. X% expense $X.X was X, X% see on to Noninterest billion. Provision income quarter reflecting activity. losses credit higher slightly in fee remained million

tax timing in third XX.X%, occurred rate was that third Our this result of was year mostly the benefits this quarter certain effective and a quarter. in tax of the the

You’ll was in at XX.X%. somewhat our the rate recall tax second quarter elevated

rate when year-to-date expectation year-to-date XX%, So our combined guidance our and effective was basis, a full-year viewed tax consistent with XXXX. for and on

Now, detail. let’s discuss the in performance drivers key more of this

income costs. income from X. grew compared year-over-year. interest quarter. X% higher or by increased million, The Net Net X% last comparison third to of and were the X.XX%, year, same additional and decreased $XX basis in compared interest increased increase Total revenue linked-quarter Turning linked-quarter X% earning was day quarter. partially and the asset the points an funding higher Noninterest $XXX margin second also yields linked-quarter as X an X% period benefitted year-over-year. and balances X% Slide linked-quarter to million, or X% to offset

which our mortgage due increases increases fees It’s worth benefit million linked-quarter a quarter. fees, BlackRock a the on rights X% to that lower reflecting $XX offset declined to Notably, income increased seasonal in services million, had or fee advisory syndication quarter. deposits higher basis include were: Discretionary Williams markets. billion, M&A asset loan management income commercial equity compared another for X% same residential also charges higher the or fee with a last under fees. linked-quarter record earnings million, main X%, mortgage. the in grew fees, quarter in category and noting record fee was Service equity partially our $XX our in management setting by increase reflecting and spending. year-to-date average $XX Importantly, a XX%, servicing lower $X.X year. The every except investment increased primarily consumer drivers $XX of from Corporate assets Harris billion increased from on

decreased quarter, fair adjustments positive partially quarter negative income million value offset the were private in third by of Finally, million higher resulting and in derivative This $XX second investments. was change $XX a noninterest other linked-quarter. in Visa the million. equity $XXX of

net other securities of Going and we the for excluding activity. forward, continue and to the run noninterest quarterly rate in Visa income be million, $XXX $XXX million expect to range

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quarter. Third quarter business linked-quarter, related day million largely in Personnel million, activities increased expenses, a incentive expenses or expense linked-quarter. of to additional increased the X% compensation as $XX result an by and $XX

staffing increased in expenses minimum wage year. Compared every expense the made beginning our reflecting quarter-over-quarter. declined levels Importantly, employees business year-over-year, expense the a growth, and ago, revenue the million. investments million grew we to to period the increase commitments to the of other at same higher support year Personnel category hourly $XXX $XXX

marketing increased expansion growth, Additionally, including to expense our support efforts. digital business

year-over-year third both in Our the was quarter, XX% on and linked-quarter ratio unchanged basis. efficiency the a

by are achieve know, you will have through reduce cost we confident to our As million a we and goal $XXX our program, target. fully we full-year improvement continuous in XXXX

up and compared increased X quarter. Slide Provision the down was to included net points Our results. nonperforming provision, auto strong. linked-quarter, second $XX consumer or summary, Hurricane credit third to quarter, Florence. million ratio and to XX-day annualized credit the card the X%. XX-day metrics $XX $XX the and charge-off delinquencies growth. In were loan higher impact on of in basis X%, credit the posted or X $XX to third decreased linked-quarter. million, are down PNC to related remain quarter higher a points, of were XX million charge-off loans for delinquencies primarily total Net reflecting second quarter, million losses quality the loan strong by presented basis In Compared $X million, bucket, due Total auto

expect we the steady growth we increase quarter, During in December. expect continued in rates GDP, one in and XX more basis interest point short-term fourth

quarter we fourth up to reported to quarter loans ahead compared XXXX XXXX Looking expect be to results, third modestly.

be interest fee to income net digits. total both expect We single and low up income

noninterest to We income be million million expect range. the $XXX in $XXX to other

your up We we with to be that, expect and low are take and $XXX $XXX to ready expenses million And million. be between digits, and provision expect single I questions. Bill to

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morning, Good guys.

Scott. Hi,

Okay.

question on is guide First guide the growth. fourth the consistent the third with loan The for quarter quarter. just for

could look as seem maybe at growth loan that be to trajectory. for you little be like guys same economy? the be given you would be And the I for a in that we in would if curious something PNC level, the Just to guess, the us Bill, just overall strength industry, better impacting expecting what that a you growth to factors banks towards then, it where give sense for Should why? numerous reaccelerate of and you are normal, it given to the would more cycle, able expect be we take

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for in play we the least, are third we So, in in I impacting would have change that out the at but like it some market, think, structural to think us. would the better, quarter the saw I that, near-term changes that

rising could bit I side, Okay. And the All shift second color. switch growth appreciate total if rate I mix still right, as one to our deposit Rob, that of but would a in fine, environment. then, you a for expect deposit little

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the to expect would interest-bearing I be and between noninterest-bearing.

Yes.

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are we what on Again, deposits, side, are which we’ve seen side, and beginnings in consumer of then the the of commercial you noninterest-bearing a seeing now of in On And a rate expect. environment. we shift from to for the natural which interest is a shift would time higher seeing somewhat sometime, reflective bearing. all savings,

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Pancari the question line John of go ISI. from Our next Evercore ahead. comes with Please

Good morning.

Good morning.

John. Good morning,

expense Any on discussed. as of the - particularly the thought some look through you to on just side you side, pressures given are trends, you the equation at expense looking get - as of importantly that balance CIP of the year just the loan into particularly and on On you the XXXX? rest the more constructive side as goals, more the this sheet

John, is - this So Rob. hey,

expenses million a and was all other Virtually all if personnel the Every incentive part of to this we’re the of back so that is our well. of at sort drop year-to-date, of category on $XXX linked-quarter year that And look in expenses of expenses activity that was you far effort. look that linked-quarter, When business level. in reflects XX% related down million and of our linked-quarter over in essentially we and went that at year-to-date, the broader million, - CIP compensation take in story. up So, higher personnel. our of in XXXX. the the did quarter And XXX or the you XXX tells that increase

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an $XX that attrition will expect rates continue. we would we’re the already raise to the hour, lower On seeing

all deliberate our and - on and is factored that’s discipline our So in, track. all expense program and that

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past think look could You’ve the How are go a that CCAR. your alluded thoughts to do you as And look - to peers too where given payout. give might you been - there? XXX% potential around we forward? you to you here us increase your conservative you Could have Thanks. you this updated combined as do bit

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Got it. Bill. Thanks,

Yes.

Thank you.

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morning. Hey, good

Betsy. morning, Good

Good morning.

just One, more one on expenses. questions. Two

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continue. that’s and to path, So the current expect that I’d

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Our from go of Bank next question Please Najarian America. from ahead. comes the of Erika line

morning. good Hi,

Good morning.

morning, Erika. Good

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with of Mike ahead. comes Mayo question go Please from line Our Wells next the Fargo.

Hi.

Hi, Mike.

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you. Thank

Thank you.

of Gerard Please ahead. with question from RBC. Our Cassidy the next go line comes

Good morning, guys.

Good morning, Gerard.

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