NYT New York Times

Harlan Toplitzky VP, IR
Mark Thompson President and CEO
Roland Caputo EVP and CFO
Meredith Kopit Levien EVP and COO
Alexia Quadrani JP Morgan
Vasily Karasyov Cannonball Research
Craig Huber Huber Research Partners
John Belton Evercore
Doug Arthur Huber Research Partners
Kannan Venkateshwar Barclays
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Good morning, and welcome to The New York Times Company's Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded.

I'd now like to turn the conference over to Harlan Toplitzky, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Harlan Toplitzky

Thank you, and welcome to The New York Times Company's Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call.

Executive we Caputo, Thompson, Chief Executive and Kopit today, Executive and Financial call Chief Meredith Roland and Officer; Vice Levien, the have President Mark Chief Officer; Operating On Officer. President Vice President and

remind differ I forward-looking will materially. the of to during our and that this management Before we call, like actual you begin, course would make statements results could

and are the risks uncertainties included our of impact business that Some our XX-K. in XXXX could

and which presentation we most at our include on will to in financial measures, our provided addition, the have In comparable our non-GAAP reconciliations earnings is website measures GAAP press release, available

With over to that, call turn I the Mark Thompson. will

Mark Thompson

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Roland Caputo

you, Mark, good morning, Thank everyone. and

said, pleased As to progress our continue we we with remain execute as Mark strategy. the we against making are

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And questions. happy with to be that, open it to up we'd


Alexia first Quadrani the And JP comes from Morgan. question Instructions] [Operator with

Alexia Quadrani

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Mark Thompson

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Roland Caputo

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expected that subscribers is of prices, of happens, of And mathematical ARPU. is number higher the transitioning to are to on folks and bring so the as number that than higher be the on much pressure that we result

However, as a begin and I that decline more to take in as price sometime to and $X step tenured a to higher a up XXXX rollout mentioned are will as that Mark of before, off we week believe will prices. And also, that, we planning from ARPU. pressure subscribers some mentioned, that increase more moderate folks also

Alexia Quadrani

clarification. just then follow-up, a And a

you full it in Roland, where then investment higher QX, of going levels costs, moderate lower kind of QX, versus or levels subsequent but... elevated it's think, but will quarters that to cost year means said be it's XXXX? I XXXX, in of increase I'm be assuming more -- back is to and versus in get

Roland Caputo

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Mark Thompson

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Alexia Quadrani

Thank very much. you


the you. And from Cannonball Thank Karasyov Research. Vasily comes with next question

Vasily Karasyov

the good focus driving increased paid year, on product the you this on were to Wanted about organically question, with Congratulations quarter. ask talking you morning. early than starts subscriber Good rather in starts.

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Roland Caputo

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Meredith Kopit Levien

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Roland Caputo

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Craig Huber

period that August and subscription in cycle of into second that quarter versus, in significantly the Did commensurate let's higher, early digital say, the half half mentioned pickup the your guess, new first in you you Mark, prepared your remarks growth see a in I September. was was? of the

Mark Thompson

its summer back-to-school middle as a the have news that that's a, of quiet relatively was X that went that and pickup the over idea haven't this disclose analysis to Sure. you a factors. it's, some And and there want there's apparent. model, sharp August, we in of pretty And early really of quarter. intensification at first kind it was say, head of would a in to quarter. of the though, done and talked the you it's perhaps, say, as the past about Craig, access separate were think beginning year. of I with about saying real the there the weeks became also We geared it, We try a up all of kind change say change which kind numbers, kicked that a built particularly we is I pickup. in before the detailed we this had that There to July, seasonality model of but that much want momentum won't those worth but some something effects And also that, second,. the it's, was X through I

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Meredith Kopit Levien

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people to see building we which population time, who period happy that we're So are will long over convert a of is, happening. a of

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assumption gets over it better time. an that there's So

Mark Thompson

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is of for our all stuff this So model. encouraging

Craig Huber

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Meredith Kopit Levien

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Craig Huber

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Meredith Kopit Levien

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Roland Caputo

cost very closely. acquisition tracking subscriber lifetime very, we're value ratios And

Meredith Kopit Levien


Roland Caputo

getting We're value. projecting at better lifetime

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Craig Huber

across the devices, register they articles obviously all because content. free Guys, access moving before is asking you're that X towards to people XX to

devices XX per-device it's to historically? is that X as opposed out of So been across per-browser, to free there articles sort all like

Meredith Kopit Levien

to to after register. just said stories clarify, get X how So talking we're about I you XX, you when many

stay. now, basically articles and your you're you to journey, if training log log in story register particular and register is number understand And one of and that gets what you to to in So and doing on the after right engagement get you you based to then ultimately after more. have model pay to anonymous, what's a we're

Craig Huber

could. this that and question, U.S., final newsroom the maybe my increased the size guys the year where outside just Canada, at? Obviously, a should talking end little versus What of at, Australia of be say, started that the about the but bit. out year or you if And now could I you it you're right flush

Mark Thompson


a many, are ultimately newsroom really Board, deliver to need, you a to journalism main many does at So how decision. to else one let take well. may as this anyone the world Meredith of Board This is me it into a world. want complex we play and I cover things is in look what that. look, and best better question big that there first. the a And go mean, the of factors add the publisher than

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Meredith Kopit Levien

to because would I are investment the think that's over time. of right. say, think period And long gotten where last just of long, journalism the I we very I in we've continued

become when and that itself and people we're investment a subscribers where us the the with experience, getting and engine investment. So an continued ultimately and continued assume about as we in of daily product improving in journalism subscribers, our habit product the and make talk primary focusing investment becoming stay we that's to engine digital

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Craig Huber

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Mark Thompson

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Craig Huber

Okay. Thank you.


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John Belton

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Roland Caputo

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next Arthur comes Huber Doug And the with from Research question Partners.

Doug Arthur

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Meredith Kopit Levien

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Doug Arthur

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Roland Caputo

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the So you those We'll growth can amongst see. and in invest triangulate continue XXXX. numbers and spend in to

Doug Arthur

any any Okay. a you or follow-up benchmarks sort of there? audio. Can, terms subscriber just new Meredith, us numbers Great. can give of in there unique hit are numbers the on you've And,

Meredith Kopit Levien

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Mark Thompson

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Meredith Kopit Levien

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And the next with Barclays. question from is Kannan Venkateshwar

Kannan Venkateshwar

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Meredith Kopit Levien

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Kannan Venkateshwar


is say promotions wanted to off the clarification guys you perspective, a it from trend growing despite the that guess get. are just to I I So fair rolling That's internationally?

Meredith Kopit Levien

Yes. Yes.

Kannan Venkateshwar


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Mark Thompson

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Kannan Venkateshwar

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Meredith Kopit Levien

think the the and one stab I Roland some first take a and second I'll at may add one. take

about you about, on business, the the think I future what which you’re and how is asking the quarters next particularly Just drivers quarter. think of should

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Mark Thompson

Thanks, Meredith.

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Roland Caputo

folks for to a rates, together is again, Yes, bigger off to the ultimately the we digital we where once can of and all the between up this the have guidance back international, parts, the would of percentage revenue we're they moving quarter, I saying their base. we fourth add subscription you number signing all other only the want thing step retention comes believe if up, grow in that mid-teens our go how

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Kannan Venkateshwar

about are Got there is order a base in you thinking it. how process of and guys change just tenured stepping you're sub it of what through. tenured us your is? question, is that about to percentage up? of -- is last think the actually What that? I some If And how on one could subs, thinking which Is that it implement gradual? kind Is mean, help product you

Meredith Kopit Levien

that, about much and time would to I engagements. won't say just We say but Yes.

us a time predictor they've of how a So if they best the long long someone's subscriber, and with retention have with time, long they. how they've been are been us been a engaged is

Kannan Venkateshwar

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Mark Thompson

who very, for experience we've think we know about want subscribers subscribers certain talking of mean, Kannan. a beyond to I point subscriber. XXX people very class want have years of been We that, nearly commonsensical. assumptions a don't our I retain And got, long to time. a are do I pretty say arguably, certain We're well. that with


for like this session. our the Toplitzky would back to conference turn any comments. And to concludes question-and-answer over closing Harlan I

Harlan Toplitzky

you for us this quarter. We Thank next to forward morning. again to look joining talking you


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