NYT New York Times

Harlan Toplitzky Vice President of Investor Relations
Mark Thompson President & Chief Executive Officer
Roland Caputo Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer
Meredith Kopit Levien Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer
John Belton Evercore
Alexia Quadrani JPMorgan
Vasily Karasyov Cannonball Research
Kannan Venkateshwar Barclays
Doug Arthur Huber Research Partners
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Good morning, and welcome to The New York Times Company's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2019 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Harlan Toplitzky, Vice President of Investor Relations. ahead. go Please

Harlan Toplitzky

welcome Quarter and New Times York Thank Full to Year Fourth and Call. XXXX Company's you, The Earnings Conference

call and Operating Meredith Officer. Mark have Levien, Executive Officer; Vice today, and and Kopit and the Chief President President Officer; Executive Executive Roland Thompson, Financial Chief Vice Chief Caputo, On President we

materially. and Before I'd remind to forward-looking like we results our make of actual the during course you statements could differ begin, this that call management will

could impact Some business risks of uncertainties that XX-K. the in included XXXX our our and are

In measures which addition, measures reconciliations most non-GAAP our our in presentation will available GAAP is and to include financial at comparable release, provided we website have press on our earnings the

With over that, I will the turn call Thompson. to Mark

Mark Thompson

morning, performance I'll with the dive and everyone. morning QX in our whole a then good in as it digital this our says what about into results. our progress begin Harlan, Thanks, and XXXX journey and

ago, shared Back the few in A world. at XXXX. goal milestones set at our XXXX, wider by colleagues of of with we year million revenue end ourselves the we Times the least to digital here of a weeks The and doubling some $XXX key

of managed early $XXX last significantly, year, we that fact, million full pay subscriptions digital to largest in one revenues the net XXXX. we model million add Even the hit since able year In of were with goal in XXXX. to launch the of digital more more number than

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Roland Caputo

Mark and good everyone. you, Thank morning

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the promotional we remain who Mark passed we're yearlong retention have seeing promotional from As $X a the period. said happy subscriptions week very with the

price. bifurcate the half continue approximately We moved to promotion others to test while to subscriptions a are full deliberately at step-up price, intermediate that run with moving expiration an

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price. most longer expect move that term, the eventually we will subscriptions Over to full

approximately Quarterly digital declined subscription to quarter. compared to prior compared XX% approximately news prior year the and the ARPU X%

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open we'd And to happy with be questions. for that, it up

Session Question-and-Answer


from Evercore. Please We ahead. Belton session. comes will now John Instructions] [Operator begin the our question question-and-answer go of And first

John Belton

Hi, increase. talk about price everyone. little I wanted more to the a bit

year domestic sounds it XXX,XXX said subs. by impact about of like end the you So the would

price of But of So we price XX% your pricing. new Thank do the a of to other the by digital-only think are promo the how about think XX% product those I did more forward base? you. do How moving lot domestic on? you you broadly? my full going math exactly take cohorts that's choose, the around we know of are on about subs. which How

Mark Thompson

Hi, good morning, John.

that to approach with me and with that model. entirely I'll and hand years appropriate launch me get and price the I it's And reasons mean first the let we is rise specifics. Let just the the the begin Roland. the said. think to I'll we've – introduced had I for since of over We've about Roland prices. broad many talk of rising deal This

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Roland Caputo

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So if et of benefit will it's forward, basically subscribers the get that be of this gate this than you think that pass-through those increase going the that time first year on you'll smaller incremental with $X next implemented. forward about numbers folks XX-year going while will year, cetera significantly the

John Belton

probably like can Is engagement term? most biggest about So the you're using as think you criteria usage-based the it Are – a sounds using. model we important of sort it tenure well? longer or is

Roland Caputo

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think have say criteria this don't Beyond lot the at that a point. about to I we

Mark Thompson

the with digital tactics digital about we many our very years the I'd developed side, our applying rise. test John to subscribers with in thing many that also we thinking over price we when print we're is the rise years addition price in price other and loyal have print lessons only and on to of also add The the XXXX, the did experience many,

John Belton

you Got it. Thank very much.


ahead. go Quadrani comes Our of from Please next JPMorgan. question Alexia

Alexia Quadrani

a full in to the of made the of opening them And give have I can between. kind first what general us Do you impacted? coming I $X know remarks. couple us percentage guess can on folks to follow-ups. $X whether you have how price and back give wanted a terms of half to to revert promotion. you Any a step-up churn you of in you in keep then comments engaged? in color a of to couple your go off have you just color or the to I half mentioned I it's week sort you. in Thank keep terms a on go any of week follow-up

Mark Thompson

why Meredith don't you...

Meredith Kopit Levien

to. Good Sure. Alexia. morning, Happy

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Roland Caputo

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Meredith Kopit Levien


Roland Caputo

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that that happy feel that. that establishes expect going And forward. quite really is we we're we what So -- can with

Meredith Kopit Levien

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Alexia Quadrani

sort necessarily also like churn and for don't basically question price it similar not saying sounds to did in we retention but rate and the we you testing year past you're probably rate of, raise -- company, is any what see from earlier should rate about So necessarily being say I there's we fair? that a your the in commentary the research the the pickup tenured -- on anticipate the as how churn on about that not progresses shouldn't or subscribers pickup probably will in wide general much

Mark Thompson

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an like area optimization. still is room doing everything for this in else there's where we're So digital we think

I generally low holding retention levels go feel forward. as And about we to so say would yes confident we that very

Alexia Quadrani

read. ability their help subscriber? improved reader it been readers your a then to e-mail doing requiring the much to curious convert them I'm has to the think which much I is commentary And advertising paid continue to the jumping you've may And on also -- how your about register couple now that to how quarters to just casual of front?

Meredith Kopit Levien

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Alexia Quadrani

in last Apple framework opportunity News. using the an renegotiate as And one at to and licensing on that partners other post-Facebook there Is the change I Apple then of a with framework? leadership think even sort just -- or Facebook kind deal of

Mark Thompson

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this. should you so expect And

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Alexia Quadrani

Thank you very much.


of comes next Vasily Cannonball Our question Research. go Please ahead. from Karasyov

Vasily Karasyov

Good morning.

to we'll clarify X% the be understand I it half digital on of Did the where revenue advertising the growth. the will year, wanted that or full Just comments sub year to correctly is in see growth growth… the come for the second going

Meredith Kopit Levien

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Vasily Karasyov

A Okay. of couple quick ones.

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Mark Thompson

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Roland Caputo

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Mark Thompson

can I perhaps start. And

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Meredith Kopit Levien


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Vasily Karasyov

Thank you.


Our Kannan of next comes Please Barclays. question Venkateshwar ahead. from go

Kannan Venkateshwar

Thank you.

if I coming the I if in first have the year you have Roland, about talk of you first do could. because, then of the And could you of and increases price roll-offs. quarter that rolls price course, this through year. the the three is, mean cadence rest promotional up So the

conversion behind of at? this us period then you And from So, the flat it conversion process you the of mean when price what look can to great. users, the time at at a what it Meredith, Is look rest if year, to at you perspective, that it economics or unregistered we the is the folks at the conversion sense started there before convert, year? get the paid promotional price compared registered or like versus I as off? some on looks by a would you give point price, could growth registration is requirement? exit just you is could that And which when the XX% be the to dollar if touch you $X

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Mark Thompson

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Roland Caputo

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Kannan Venkateshwar


promotional have subs of course cadence promotion. because have new then of coming well in and you price increases roll-offs on increases as So as you price --

Roland Caputo


Kannan Venkateshwar

mean, of cadence growth I we this over price a least we at declines point we The flat instead year do are... to get as to of get where

Roland Caputo

you are you talking ARPU? about Are So, about... talking

Kannan Venkateshwar


Roland Caputo

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our So, to we're ARPU over next quarters. the see few improvement going in results

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Mark Thompson

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Roland Caputo

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Kannan Venkateshwar

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Doug Arthur

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Doug Arthur

Great. Thank you.


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Harlan Toplitzky

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