Aemetis (AMTX)

Eric McAfee Founder, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Todd Waltz Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Carter Driscoll FBR Capital Markets
Edward Woo Ascendiant Capital Markets, LLC
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Greetings and welcome to the Aemetis Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Review Conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I’ll now turn the conference your host, Todd Waltz, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. begin. may you you, Thank

Todd Waltz

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Eric McAfee

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Carter Driscoll

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Eric McAfee

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Carter Driscoll

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Eric McAfee

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Carter Driscoll

the Is correct? that months. of And roughly timing nine construction and still

Eric McAfee

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Carter Driscoll


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Eric McAfee

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Carter Driscoll

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Eric McAfee

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Carter Driscoll

is a right on now monthly And nameplate basis? XX/X

Eric McAfee

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Carter Driscoll


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Eric McAfee

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Carter Driscoll

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Eric McAfee

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Carter Driscoll

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Eric McAfee

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Carter Driscoll

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Eric McAfee

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Carter Driscoll

my I appreciate for taking questions. all

Eric McAfee

Thank you, Carter.


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Edward Woo

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Eric McAfee

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Edward Woo

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Eric McAfee

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Edward Woo

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Eric McAfee

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Edward Woo

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Edward Woo

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Eric McAfee

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