Aemetis (AMTX)

Todd Waltz Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Eric McAfee Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Carter Driscoll B. Riley FBR, Inc.
Edward Woo Ascendiant Capital Markets, LLC
Scott Ozer SANDLAPPER Securities, LLC
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Greetings, and welcome to the Aemetis Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Review Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over your host, Mr. President Financial Vice of Executive Waltz, and Officer Chief Aemetis. Todd you. Thank

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Todd Waltz

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of first double months nine XXXX, nine $X.X first Adjusted in XX%, than from $XXX.X net nine September the of for to XXXX, an of Net months XXXX. compared negative translated for improvement to million gross of $XXX.X for profit XX, ended million, revenue in XXXX. compared review. during third nine $X.X $XX.X months the to profit of million, more financial $X.X first loss our million to period That for completes the was quarter revenues The EBITDA $XX.X million increase in million million months XXXX. of the revenues $XX third to the million first or XXXX, the an compared During same the a of quarter of of XXXX nine million, the months of was the gross XXXX. $X.X were for $X.X increase for loss of

to I’d of the Chief Eric? and Now like business Eric Chairman for introduce Executive Founder, McAfee Officer Aemetis, update. a

Eric McAfee

Thank you, Todd.

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Carter Driscoll

Good morning, gentlemen.

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Eric McAfee

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to And RVO the is EPA would year before roughly step of support summer back a very the to determination month forward. to ago instruct to a the season make EXX publicly a the President’s so rulemaking and significant driving restrict EXX next us

corn commitment direct It’s hard which United that million President a is I positive for farmers, it States. has on in in to the on acres very of significant think it’s backtrack the that. estate XX and impact real

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is So six It late. that should ago. been months have reallocation done

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Carter Driscoll

been find I granted reallocate. timeframe. I and been they even at very that if to have what the even still mean, not politically guess, hardship should a that’s is that I to compelled to a reallocated because debatable just think – I it’s a is waiver point, going be are devil’s that should play if this struggle do thought advocate to liability of even though, process have

for heavy summer I back we China more with compounding – even push as domestic implement the in US. a ban, And this Act export thing to of whole. is Trump that ban. summer season. or the come challenging President then ethanol makes get under cheap seemed Clean But very utilization be escalating think implementation increases the that supply-demand have exported towards the to obviously back right cutting smog why you’ll dynamic potential the stable been that’s the the trade more driving market So the that the that And that is up to with Air and for and the from it that industry off remove come a to I one contention summer industry during wars from

to of if So guess, the my had helped – those you if think you had you to you of I probabilistic, more overcapacity question would rank, which the in which is, do is current think resolve those three industry?

Eric McAfee

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Carter Driscoll


Eric McAfee

to And going to increase so as on active billion as billion gallons actually discussion gallons. much is the XX XX

waivers is a that hardship be X small, issued The of is year refiners easily let’s higher way. discussed could for by the actively unprofitable and were on oil That being hardship. not a gallons waivers billion So say, clearly granting, under table currently the to done cap.

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have only and intent can and to congress whether the enforce decide going to entity administration We pass is congressional – they’re that legislation. has

Air XX last to And have so renewable they’d Act up the do they to Clean Air standards. fuel so and far Clean of It’s haven’t years, in the so. open changed Act part the

to split especially congress. very see a it’s material standard, we’ll a unlikely I the So change with see renewable fuel

Carter Driscoll


Eric McAfee

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have then and worked. what In system July, government, said and leg not checks the looks the they what had EPA in actually executive at complied one court federal law. third XXXX, The with that that balances has federal the we the does, and intend what a of that wrote congress

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work EPA And require we because so you ethanol want are actually parameters, collaboratively the by up soon to to XX% that we’re engines testing set compatible. all tested with to going

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Carter Driscoll

it. get I No,

Just completed gears, Are ignored displacing on timeframe But been that – just laws there’s through us have and for late shifting we’re I domestic federal of just than all now OPEC operational still it in the have remind that XXXX? the a would have would implementation. the loan, hopeful, lot timeframe? you production construction. again are the USDA and it’ll thought would path hurdles you towards you be of rather Could

Eric McAfee

to definitely will I get Yes. that.

ethanol completely might the business You the implemented. inputs made which very, very to the billion Aemetis end, I we order throwaway current cost to correction, our is ethanol plan mandate have reduce at comment at win – a where being that’s that is with, corn a agree environment, our which significant in of in gallon XX not cellulosic

are pricing to enormous characteristics. seeking be in the an demand winner environment with current We current the

the our like enforcing for upside. they and Wow, here the ethanol for all so way, actually intent equation congressional we by drivers get oh, start win And an That’s demand then, additional federal was. we the is, how do law.

So our are corn business announce of highest well as and the which ethanol – sustainable have stock well designing our plant, projects we most make delivery. is designed targeted profit, our models, Riverbank highest quadrupling product as actually ethanol to other value as we’re the the to at that free-feed plant margin, about basically as model cellulosic are

very that company. and overcapacity, So very, current current In would confusion is – talked financial to current as take prices, all the advantage targets about. model profitable be at hitting of emerge our we is still environment, the a our of business market of current the we the

Now regarding Riverbank…

Carter Driscoll

the how one Since how level, that take significant been Keyes, weeks? having contributor? could for that higher above because like may, to by maintenance Riverbank which maybe may say, without run Are outside any the put at I it until to running your have some nameplate that annual if sec. clearly several revenue couple we’ve the plant capacity you long maintenance, up many bridge can one a your and you running, is upcoming, for you So until quarters a Well margin interject in of take facility you you just and is that second, that I they’re running, where just have bridge Eric? up get quarters Kakinada, back facing at Riverbank offline

Eric McAfee

Answering it’s two-part question. your – a

Let me answer the first one.

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of engineering from head actually large Our including that XX came and cows creamery get Christmas. day, twice creameries. dairy and the very spent million-plus milked $XXX building industry dairy a weekends And in industry years

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do point identify revenue India. other made I our we and We The India. million it’s in expands you upgraded, opportunity recently have think we XX to important that in plant gallon a built which is,

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signed supply well of in British course, and, execute to them agreement we Europe. with to well-positioned a Petroleum in have be can we XXXX So primarily

Carter Driscoll

that intermittency just say implementation. an address you that? heard pre-treatment with I was you the But there Could

Eric McAfee

have we multiple Actually units.

So, we into turns it have unit takes feedstock that pretreatment the the usable oil.

unit. We have biodiesel the

shut expand glycerin generation units, our three We to it are electrical the utilities, of and at be onsite run run the time unit boiler but able next to unit, it units. those then run major down three have had the them and order We a and shut to other unit, down. the our same all in rather and ancillary than

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very in are names been you think, are as that customers would production And we up exciting to our capacity, feed scale project. by very we’ve our in some have national We in brand right that XXXX, I scope, know. as test constrained course, the we’ve now carbon lower-cost, low-cost waste for and, to right, as move plant this stocks. it’s a to doing made inputs template determination we’re Riverbank low And go what well, of our with Keyes at

So it’s The is price from And India unassailable did in at it been a help oil of not very perspective. despite I the time us all, crude India. think, now long much policy we’ve a headwinds. serious the achieved coming. of proposition value an But government some setting

Carter Driscoll

Okay. right. All

this timeframe, have it secure, So secure to about Riverbank, then just – but potentially get you well, the finish you’re across trying back to XX% line. part

putting part commissioning operational with you of, about expect latter And there? some remaining. in of just Can finance you timing update You XXXX? the talked syndicates us do then together still

Eric McAfee

a that, through I expect to say the should month. funnel I taken us process; it took USDA year be it And because a to early XXXX. have get

but So excellent, now, letter. there actually get to we final commitment which we the need are is

So be the we looking letter. upon to based that and to final million financing should which then is would USDA commitment close move letter, we announce $XXX commitment

Carter Driscoll

think What do is? the you hold-off

Eric McAfee

hold-up was of and year, from be year, the by office the We have fiscal actually got management would and it letter weeks we which The XXXX last was the the in expected in expected of ends commitment a to approval September of couple end budget. USDA the to September XXXX. seen

that in get don’t so completing a here they’re steps sitting approval and confirmation quarter. What of that do we to the happened. hand, document. we physical the internal We’re in XXXX us to We is get this the final November now commitment letter have do has have expect it and

Carter Driscoll


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Eric McAfee

capitalization. a Absolutely. company’s our part already material played EB-X has in

EB-X approximately X% We funding have $XX rate. million interest of at

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a the things place, biofuels able or announce course, the I pleased of of have months two is the of to we position uniquely a India. have positioned be rapidly to next And uniquely accelerate we broker we’re that. within in all so, and as are that. right but India happening in we a And are, now three that toward And very, to can’t especially very making we we couple an hope the in investors XXX relationships funding with at people pipeline. plant to accelerating that India, in recipient excellent will announce we in source, be have able that I number the are of India, strides company EB-X process,

so that month fundraising next more about even little the through looking rapidly. accelerate we And over some a that are bit or approvals the EB-X for talking be would as two we’ll the program

Carter Driscoll

I’ll all back the queue. in Thanks, take guys. my questions. to appreciate get I

Eric McAfee

Sure. Thank you, Carter.


from is Ed from Ascendiant question next ahead. Capital. Please go Our Woo

Edward Woo

Yes. Thank you for my taking question.

starting the in do construction and Riverbank timeline, you past? think ground start may Going back to the actually you when breaking

Eric McAfee

start would already to engineering When the quarter the out expect The vendors, process quarter of in gotten looking we’re late to – We’ve is we the We’re I would Technically, see in be first in gone thing pricing. and dirt phase. sort moving, be of procurement of are expect now. the phase and all would that the second already groundbreaking, in would construction quarter. you the first XXXX. happening the I actually

Edward Woo

think year still going of to you construction do And about it’s be one time?

Eric McAfee

first the and quarter working on think, and XXXX kinds of I in Yes, of sitting be second commissioning those plans issues. we’ll here

Edward Woo

great gallons get your a can and mentioned to XXX guys to doubling units. million India, Great. goal think that see do And you quickly production, through How you you of to there? back different then going it’s you you getting have

Eric McAfee

did. an revenue million a gallon additional us our opened pretreatment we actually just and with stream XX It’s has up unit unit, for upgrades the

is just So have be be the and going We should British execution scale-up be completion a significantly the and going really we’ve plant year to either capacity. upgrade wouldn’t all of rolling Petroleum million online with customers by or operational primarily capacity process. to going just – constrained foreign opportunity our have utility getting it’s policies per by of with customers. our $XXX at a it’s We of really be this just It’s other to out that point. going our scale-up constrained with and matter

launching and closing call good could very even forward the And maybe it issue It’s and into have We’ll conference customers would up solid, as visibility quarter then well. pricing testing crude first business. a a scale-up. certainly very prices with new we if of nice wouldn’t first as I right that crude we’re we and number looking and rapid could really from very So see in stay get things a – seeing the as a oil quarter, we’re rapid. I better do oil now be to large very India. special And

Edward Woo

of Then going Great. which of prices have in outlook, forward little business? to impact oil view obviously, how leverage of just your and a of in general lot India just prices, what’s might your had bit you But terms pullback. a that oil a your

Eric McAfee

prices. think, oil I opinion an everybody Well, has crude of

it’s give of you and mine just me many. Let one

at per demand I think in last barrels about has five day that million for rising been we fundamental in are the years. curve X.X supply-demand which a

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little a crude oil in Cushing, We’re of down on Oklahoma. sitting amount bit internally-focused the

bit of the international oversell, market drive tend somewhere U.S. whatever, Basin that’s investors price Bakkens when Brent of of out crude than and looks $XX oil. primarily But very so quick a or out at panic the crude to have Europe my – And and the more coming oil gosh, little says, extra the Permian of expensive or crude quickly, we coming down

and I’ll some truing start U.S., difference the more two. up they between think, buy the I

per year does of So make going every additional major price are eventually, pretty to U.S. the U.S. to having the American the fundamentally we up this be oilfield demand. reflect by And for in million much overproduction X.X producing having barrels the in outside decline

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up And a it. met demand with supply, has be currently so, that which that keeping by to is barely is equation

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meeting that noticed that. OPEC have this week to do might You is exactly

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Edward Woo

if all. you not too spot, to $XX goes Great. there, still just But might $XX it you And mentioned then be at at good high sweet being sweet do that it is your around that see because that’s spot? a

Eric McAfee

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the of window. So I’m personally a to fan big $XX oil crude $XX

Edward Woo

you, Great. good Well, and thank luck. you. Thank

Eric McAfee

your Thank appreciate you. questions. I


go investor. Our next Markezi private from question [ph], a is ahead. Please Anthony

Unidentified Analyst

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Eric McAfee


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Unidentified Analyst

Right. Thank you very much.

Eric McAfee

Anthony. you, Thank


Our Ozer question Please Sandlapper is next Securities. from from Scott here go ahead.

Scott Ozer

Hey, good afternoon, Eric.

Eric McAfee

Scott. Hi,

Scott Ozer

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Eric McAfee

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Scott Ozer

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Eric McAfee

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Scott Ozer

Thank All Okay. you. right.


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Eric McAfee

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