CLF Cleveland-Cliffs

Tim Flanagan Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer
Lourenco Goncalves Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Lucas Pipes FBR Capital Markets
Seth Rosenfeld Jefferies
Matthew Fields Bank of America
Novid Rassouli Cowen and Company
Piyush Sood Morgan Stanley
Nic Jarmoszuk Stifel
Brett Levy Seelaus & Company
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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Jody and I am your conference facilitator today. I would like to welcome everyone to Cleveland-Cliffs’ 2017 Third Quarter Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. Harbor that statements made be of that forward-looking the you will today’s made XXXX. reminds Private within predictive the include are Safe company certain Reform on comments call as Securities The Litigation of Act protections intended to

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Tim Flanagan

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Lourenco Goncalves

Thank you, us this morning. to joining for thanks everyone and Tim

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Capital comes [Operator Instructions] question the of Lucas of Your Pipes first Markets. FBR line from

Your line open. is

Lucas Pipes

Hey, good morning everybody.

Lourenco Goncalves

Lucas. morning, Good

Lucas Pipes

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Lourenco Goncalves

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Lucas Pipes

then the I helpful the a outlook Okay. And more business. USIO No, that’s for follow-up just fair. That’s wanted to little near-term on perspective. bit

ship to export are you I report mentioned in apples-to-apples where price put the export revenues, USIO to volumes would change the wondered for more tons market? going basis how about? with You should the you into customer thinking we of market on designation. be an And then, due what netback that sort you

Lourenco Goncalves

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contracts. the have we So

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are two So options there for QX.

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envision a going are we export we not very So pellets good in QX? massively. and be hurt to are QX but going Yes, I to

Lucas Pipes

prepared Okay. one And on were topics it’s then quick very mentioned over got APIO, remarks be the past, maybe your And to switch nonperforming think that you to one to you act EBITDA last breakeven. in assets. in to I

continue that discounts mentioned to you unabated, deteriorate quarter how So continue let’s over say, hypothetically, pull would and fourth the the the IODEX you quickly cord? prices

Lourenco Goncalves

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when think am to act act. I I’m money. I long to I I too don’t here So and make lose here not to money. need really

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the You never Asia-Pacific in a going forward, market. player Cleveland-Cliffs consider, as should guys

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Lucas Pipes

I Okay. and will it now, good but leave for luck. really appreciate it here Lourenco

Lourenco Goncalves

so much, Thank Lucas. you


of line Seth of Jefferies. comes the Your from Rosenfeld question next

is Your open. line

Seth Rosenfeld

taking for of questions. Couple Thanks morning. Good my questions.

Looking USIO at please. the business

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Lourenco Goncalves

are let that second to million, to number add I a reply First, one It’s the to not That’s million. Seth. our need numbers, make to output. expecting it’s me the correction your on we because X.X first, total X.X

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Seth Rosenfeld

considerations to too one know final line But guess what have when with. red you a equity certain ask lines, past, a it’s stake. I discussions offtake perhaps detail on for might you, you can thinking of partner I for ultimately still If question separate development the there which want exchange are in partners what you. follow-up about red Thank I we that in sorts with? discounted on a HBI just up be that would tie interested you us I didn’t think other development. for in example, that you give for Is real agreement just think the development noted early about partner you in the

Lourenco Goncalves

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we are mid-October, we have plenty still So in XXXX, time. of

Seth Rosenfeld

Great. Thank you very much.

Lourenco Goncalves

Thank you.


line comes Matthew America. the of Bank of Your question from Fields of next

Your line is open.

Matthew Fields

to Hey, of questions, for that’s to with you for of on what you stake, but project us on XXXX? who sort CapEx you everyone. is order with some I but it? HBI the think give dependent going of Not this just be in a sort the and do of can associated sort harp partners know of XXXX of CapEx magnitude it’s what to amount – guidance,

Lourenco Goncalves

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what or this less more that’s at So we have point.

Matthew Fields

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Lourenco Goncalves

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Matthew Fields

We got Lourenco. very Thanks much, it.

Lourenco Goncalves

you. Thank


of Your Novid comes from from and Company. next question Cowen Rassouli the line

line Your is open.

Novid Rassouli

Good morning, guys.

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Lourenco Goncalves

Novid. Tim handle let morning, Good one. will Tim, please? I Flanagan this

Tim Flanagan

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Novid Rassouli

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Lourenco Goncalves

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Novid Rassouli

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Novid Rassouli

Thanks for taking questions. my

Lourenco Goncalves

are very You welcome.


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Lourenco Goncalves

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Lourenco Goncalves

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Bye have So now. great will X months. and we in you guys weekend a talk


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