CLF Cleveland-Cliffs

Lourenco Goncalves CEO
Keith Koci CFO
Matthew Fields Bank of America Merrill Lynch
Curt Woodworth Credit Suisse
Phil Gibbs KeyBanc Markets
Piyush Sood Morgan Stanley
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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Denise and I am your conference facilitator today. I would like to welcome everyone to the Cleveland-Cliffs’ 2019 First Quarter Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. Harbor that statements made be of that forward-looking the you will today’s made XXXX. reminds Private within predictive the include are Safe company certain Reform on comments call as Securities The Litigation of Act protection intended to

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Lourenco Goncalves

Thank you, morning. Denise, and thanks to everyone this for joining us

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Keith Koci

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Matthew Fields

thanks Lourenco, the and Keith. for Welcome iron congrats market. for One, ore the me. of Two things discussion

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Lourenco Goncalves

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Matthew Fields

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Lourenco Goncalves

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Matthew Fields

I was has talking who about a that… expiration different that's supplier near contract a term

Lourenco Goncalves

whom? With

Matthew Fields

With AK Steel XXXX? in

Lourenco Goncalves

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Matthew Fields

great answer. No, that's a


Curt next [Operator from comes question Instructions] Your Suisse. Woodworth with Credit

Curt Woodworth

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Curt Woodworth

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Curt Woodworth

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Phil Gibbs

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Phil Gibbs

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Phil Gibbs

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Phil Gibbs

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Phil Gibbs

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Lourenco Goncalves

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Piyush Sood

Quick question me. housekeeping for

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Lourenco Goncalves

in You’ve given a lot one question.

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Keith Koci

this year. And that'll quarter be in the third

Lourenco Goncalves

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Piyush Sood

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So should or something expect XQ maybe in we magnitude XQ? similar

Lourenco Goncalves

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