EHC Encompass Health

Crissy Carlisle CFO, Home Health & Hospice Business and Chief IR Officer
Mark Tarr CEO, President & Director
Douglas Coltharp EVP & CFO
Barbara Jacobsmeyer CEO, Home Health & Hospice
John Darby EVP, General Counsel & Corporate Secretary
Kevin Fischbeck Bank of America Merrill Lynch
Brian Tanquilut Jefferies
A.J. Rice Crédit Suisse
Matthew Larew William Blair & Company
Frank Morgan RBC Capital Markets
Philip Chickering Deutsche Bank
John Ransom Raymond James & Associates
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Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Encompass Health's Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. I will now turn the call over to Crissy Carlisle, Encompass Health's Chief Investor Relations Officer. Please go ahead.

Crissy Carlisle

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Encompass Quarter joining Earnings for you Health's XXXX Second Call. Thank Jacobsmeyer, are on Coltharp, President Barb Darby, of General the and me Corporate & Mark Home Chief Executive Health Encompass call Officer; Counsel Doug With Patrick Officer; today Tarr, Hospice; Officer Executive and Financial Secretary. and Chief Chief

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Mark Tarr

Crissy, momentum adjusted XXXX. We growth segments in over of in strong revenue second the everyone. quarter Business accelerated thank morning, good you, had QX QX and EBITDA and and both XXXX. XXXX

Our our business second and of quarter reflects the performance sustainability resiliency model.

result XXXX operating a year trends we year-to-date again guidance. strong of our and performance, are our raising As full

and their patient were results on discharges to Our the clinical It's do. our them revenue business, for In experience. the work outstanding remain of our XX.X%. teams I focused business, commitment and adjusted XX.X%, drive EBITDA inpatient increased the increased thank that truly patients XX.X% rehabilitation our up they

have providers for payers. successfully positioned inpatient rehabilitation trusted choice and We hospitals patients, the Encompass as Health

and in leader highly enhanced in and national trusted requiring clinical have hospital. we the rehabilitation treating As to programs be that protocols developed continuously care effective care, an rehabilitative inpatient have in patients proven

maximize prevent to improve care to hospitals. advanced care and and recovery that continue patients for innovative readmissions treatments We costly technology acute our through

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on in focus this to capturing the continue growth will payer. We

growth to intact. development robust also pipeline have We continue benefit from and new store a

new the in During in of the existing the other Georgia. and expect X North to Cumming, That Tampa, openings in rehabilitation open new quarter an beds added our inpatient second year. and X of hospitals, to XXXX, we additional the to hospitals, we in Florida XXXX back half hospitals XX opened brings one and X

Pensacola, Waco, plan third and the South Texas; Greenville, we Louisiana; hospitals to open Shreveport, Specifically, Carolina; quarter. Florida during in

we hospitals first That and that's XXXX. our open addition, XXXX Last announced to years. of open XXXX from XXXX. already XXXX, to add through In beds to we to hospitals we week, scheduled new those in open beds XX XXX X X,XXX over in to hospital new in represents hospitals in existing each before XXX expect and we slated have

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guidance our based to remainder of As year, the strong year operating and trends. we to ahead full results date XXXX on we've look increased the

of consolidated share $X.XX and following: the includes to now guidance $X.XX $X.XX billion revenues XXXX billion; to $X.X of billion; $X.XX. net year EBITDA billion per $X.XX earnings of full Our consolidated operating adjusted to adjusted

Before to and touch I review turn the home Doug, segment. it I want health over strategic hospice on our of alternative to

the including statement to The and be As limited separation or regulatory value have a transaction and continue enhance private we carve-out to: key pursue determined registration draft the not of business. Directors of the either preparatory certain health partial as statements of will with required on the S-X final filings. for success of our hospice to long-term to earnings a is based required audited separation the confidential alternatives full the home still home date, mentioned a on Form health meetings. a business, analysis and submission our for public financial and separation Many by completed, or of Board form in hospice actions been believes we but of release, the business SEC

expect half transaction assurance of second can we While XXXX. the a no to in announce provided, be

we transaction, that, turn we continue cannot pursue to it at to further With over I'll Doug. As time. comment a this

Douglas Coltharp

morning, good everyone. and Mark, Thanks,

our As strong with very business Mark we're performance both segments. of stated, pleased in the

EBITDA XXXX, to EPS compared grew net increased adjusted consolidated operating XX.X%. As increased XX.X%, revenues And adjusted consolidated XXX.X%. second quarter

over of XXXX, adjusted and XX.X%. growth We significant also generated and with XX.X%, EBITDA EBITDA health IRF-adjusted consolidated of of hospice X.X% QX home EBITDA adjusted

flow same-store XXXX, the Total adjusted free increased quarter revenue by year-over-year XX.X% we of our The and to levels our in to QX, revenue exited leverage with months was EBITDA both QX for adjusted continued inpatient including increased generate and XX.X%. increasing X.X%. high We the increased net rehabilitation XX.X% X.Xx. X growth 'XX, Compared of pricing. increased free of increase segment, first down In volume flow, volumes same-store XX.X% XX.X%. and discharges driven second to cash with ratio cash

in treated treated average XXXX. we QX That's treated Our quarter orthopedic census approximately of approximately than in in patients We We daily procedures Elective second volumes for second of from discharge and in the replacement continue elective X.X% as patients sequentially sequestration, the patients, and steadily complex the X,XXX the returning. offset than report joint XXX XXXX, of fewer approximately second lower believe the quarter timing elderly conditions with we revenue back half more medical of an period recover. extremity XXXX. of the are improved from year. X,XXX of continued adjustments, primarily surgeries to cost discharges resulted discharge between per our prior will in of improve to and in suspension quarters. increase in destination reimbursement rates, by improvements partially Growth quarter the

help and patient we COVID remained acuity QX in testing X.XX procedures accelerate. QX of length patient's rollout of X.XX average mix our lower 'XX, average of at pre-COVID elective as expect capabilities While moderate us 'XX half the to continue stay. levels, acuity as on-site to vaccine X.XX the QX compared the 'XX in back above with to index The continue case year in and in to our

was compared the Growth decreased revenue quarter. in in days Employees productivity. labor of average the bed Our to in quarter in X.XX length days primarily the in first XX.X XXXX as per the QX from stay 'XX quarter. in improved XX.X quarter occupied second to year adjusted of resulted prior EBITDA and from X.XX

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the remain around We staffing half back the growth are challenges, certain focused on Despite in opportunities we these markets, in experiencing of challenges primarily year. nursing. the

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our second quarter, of we development funded including million the the $XX Frontier. During activities, acquisition

IRF primarily one of XXXX, credit the on I We make notes pacing before also minimally redeemed drawing de comment our revolving I conclude. of on Based senior million on our want $XXX And we'll to guidance X.XXX% just revenue open novo facility. our due costs QX. improvement questions. and from we in impact lines expect be rule, the with the to the on XXXX start-up greater in the EBITDA year-over-year than pricing for and that, in QX


Instructions]. [Operator

Bank question comes of line Fischbeck from the Kevin with first Your America. of

Kevin Fischbeck

don't little seems guess guidance Should and you some we headwind wage bit why even assumes about I about I aren't being as but it higher, it that a higher like I a little be and about And on to you mentioned some first guess, It to expect seen loaded. it's have you you bit back-end expect issues growth. these you're question like both questions, there. geographically, other to XXXX? have labor think concerned guess, So labor seeing pressure that? costs. a your number like I potentially it companies that talk looks costs, benefit higher We've growth. be seems we impacting

Mark Tarr

and Kevin, a as pitch I'll make in perhaps couple of to comments then Doug and Barb want well.

second seems priority early her to health, been just than going of trends With the some have be pressure on as certainly nursing. to dietary. to home housekeeping I COVID. of will there. seen We've nursing quarter in her nursing nursing support to some certainly make and hospitals. in in been continues go to the had And to think a It's of an I'm market-by-market-driven for the think degree staff details with levels number number there's on saw certainly years, from exacerbated others. hospitals to than our XXXX in more saw a market have lot the had markets I segments have where, that on for role. quarter say be we and but developing nursing, home new to of limited It a we in you back pressure a came The out we some health it in and what with had higher of market a Jacobsmeyer if first comment and issue, a and it was it a that in of of pressure. their certainly, - developing continuation regards about adjustments Barb ask both the primarily

Barbara Jacobsmeyer


market first So by of part I certainly on staffing, the think the market. it is

think is I achieved nursing though, good hires XXXX. quarter back we that highest in since in news, had total two the our we

it challenges relates dashboards do we're headed on staffed. staffing where where about have sufficiently are hires. we RN good versus us LPN feel where we're that we show and that, do we as So Based to having

and the so we we that of and members increase tackling we're team the coming sales sales that the have current with talent do we that the about force focused of staff can amount then those sure sources number continue really knowing and challenges focus in that our to And walking And making the referral need, have markets. so right we staffing on we and referrals sources. the from those it's then acquisition are and where where have markets

the the see we're good we're on things. to but on in So continue acquisition, that to as it's that staffing both think already focus talent growth We have the place. we going markets focused

Douglas Coltharp

Kevin, We segment, kind any of feel for we do nor growth of it quarter IRF anticipate it do the to limitation the not like will growth it's second on the serve in balance Doug. year. as in serves limit the

growth As any limitation has those year-to-date do believe appropriate we're difficulty a of we're a example, de bring don't taking online. anticipate forward. certain and we great that, locations having staffing as to a health specific be novos on We in our home our on been to we moving that degree steps basis. It a limitation not it address of

Kevin Fischbeck

comment, year? kind year should next de with year? opening the I the the timing us, of And just next about year into expected year-over-year and I headwind helpful. start-up de how Can you guess the you year, that of maybe drag novos half novo guess novos made total back are for seasonality And That's and losses I be that this of what the to guess, remind the more think creates. de we

Douglas Coltharp


and ramp-up with impact novos range be somewhere we this start-up an would of million That that that million associated the on the costs and de between $XX EBITDA. year anticipated $XX stated we've So think - quarters that heaviest going them We know appropriate. are that of the all. and impacted and quarters is QX, QX that that most be are the significantly total the remains we to are QX

announced - we proxy, we out into put we year As think guidance kind in a de that that and we've obviously, I use open as that around number That's recognize by a costs start we're there of seeing aggregate as locations and now will you thinking haven't any proxy. go up of the the XXXX, XXXX. about it, can same novos this divided XX

going really for the move opening year is breakeven Some quarter by into a in of at opportunity there's But the an of more they that we more least of as provide the earlier specific EBITDA next location year. on depend on right? the be it new to The end first year. open, dates, the the to back color generating we'll


Your next question...

Douglas Coltharp

partially to from positive back as be half the ramp-up a start next we'll to move I were see XXXX. the the X costs was going that up say, of that offsetting this contribution opened year year into we will


question Your comes line next from with Tanquilut of Jefferies. Brian the

Brian Tanquilut

just right? guess first go the maybe both Barb. I I'll of this to and you is And back for questions, labor

about further that drilling And seeing? we RN into down that then think maybe as an mix, like you're LPN So opportunity the staffing metrics. and is kind of

markets is the just drive going clinicians it turnover fuel adding there to a growth more issue? is challenges, it Or So terms in in that saying and of the are forward? where you're of new

Barbara Jacobsmeyer

the that in say full-time But We're going of added part-time the to is recruitment. also why I our of some we've retention. flexibility continue the Yes. hires, it had focus finding on a would PRN, the focus. We've positions. That's both it's focus to addition always and around combination those. on

a questions still lot what look with future school. for the think I some today more is are nurses in things looking there's on as like flexibility what

our why we I we're are So because some increased seeing also and success is in - flexibility. think recruitment offering that's

Mark Tarr

issue for new And novos. started a hospitals, this second in that I Brian, on that added goes segments, acquisition, for recruitment, we're and de particularly resources the say those to health. return sole added with both have we first of see will job that that has XXXX investment around and then whose half is talent the addressed - we've Barb people home starting heavily

Brian Tanquilut

have No, kind that's for year-to-date, openings I guess, the And obviously, XXXX like announced already I you, then through you've Mark, halfway awesome. we're X of and since year.

just what past opportunities pop seeing So all novo Because openings? just would more than in ranges when long-term probably announcements expected accelerated de like wondering, the you weeks. are have it guidance seems you with the it your up for few gave more has you

Mark Tarr

very was have. talked certainly we're we there. we We've that area That positive about long-term a pipeline Florida markets. Brian, about state an had hospitals a was legacy that the of the - that

We to in as ever knew we along to have were XX hospitals. state in CON want as what what hospitals. that all move beds be want the exactly we to if knew We markets well markets abolished, we that to that existing add

big didn't So we as facilities, density demographic and drive such tailwind very the opportunity has states us. have of where into then state a certain for services. have And of that positive pleasantly And very either states and our moved need and we've outlook we're long-term Florida a been for we the or the on surprised. yes, been new continues so to markets

Douglas Coltharp

years just X And Brian, novos numbers that on that, we top based a of above X-year XXXX, range cited, those that targets running segment, for ability we're per board add at add just period. and and the the good with the the so minimum. over obviously, on year, de identified to And had next coming X year next anticipated about IRF in XX for to at already XX feel we you do long-term X to between X our that for end or would to


Your A.J. Credit line Rice next the Suisse. of from with question comes

A.J. Rice

headwind XXXX - admissions senior depressed business two and you just occupancy. quick you'd of health face because deck versus on things Maybe the the SNF home your One, in got you've that slide think in here. housing an

still a think you to then baseline? out referral you payer these all as the your Medicare was point it And the IRF to you that way? to do in was two have shift, those or XXX, between deck, account Or about had sources? where swing You've just headwind XXX picked is business in there Advantage down. getting patients like, another be pretty sources. wondered, also, have mix additional the significantly, there payer you're incremental slide you Do but Medicare in think that for current pandemic up admission just anything those is is - in looks up mix a basis I fee-for-service drilled X,XXX

Mark Tarr

Yes, A.J., I'm address going the health. involving to first Barb question let home

Barbara Jacobsmeyer


So health, referral sources right, about quarters the the sources X,XXX last we've on home you're referral increased quarter. over to per new several

I a a little that's think helping it's growth. from bit of a blend on us new and what recovery

when saw that our are physicians. So that for pre-COVID some about electives of up back of sources are the direct example, is levels, you referral increasing number orthopedic actually that

to And centers, that directly But so them, new are types able other of some those helped market been particularly increase they're that doing surgery referral referrals. mixes. of ambulatory has with these some we've of we're surgeries, so also diagnoses in the seeing as to that sources helping

of SNF referral combination, a of certainly that helping senior sources us living. the that it's think headwind increasing is I and So with number but

Mark Tarr

And that just the have slower post than A.J., other senior longer living think term, volumes come SNF and been referral back. pandemic, that It's they sources. to we respond, will do

Douglas Coltharp

about tells Yes, XX% below our they're running, still occupancy levels. on pre-pandemic their anecdotal evidence average,

A.J. Rice

Right, right.

Douglas Coltharp

Doug. A.J., this is

were mix. if pandemic July numbers, kind of last year at of QX the by around fluctuations were was patient they're 'XX were of the caused of context the pre-authorization QX. a basis, year-to-date sense on our our than discharges that importantly, the IRF year-to-date QX Advantage In it is was we In QX in MA segment height that to also, and regard QX it down XX.X%. XX.X% there's was impact X.X% mix compare as But year, of perhaps On With as we to in fluctuations And then up the the waived, of payer can for look give of XX.X%. 'XX, basis. what no then you see that the side, you XX.X%. recall our some year, virtually in sustainability last in where the has those some 'XX, say because in XX%. MA on pronounced still we're are of year, this we payer portion and but more were reimplemented in Medicare the MA any the pandemic And last those at QX other were quarter. quarter same-store in up you And plans year. a up last requirements if A, it a just same the that going, and to doubt all mix,

to If you the QX all way of XX%. it 'XX, was go back

it's it's XX.X%. that a on X quarters still over last level. In the So elevated basis, about blended

see I So we do modestly continue expect And back that MA the that what of in of expect would the see growth we'll now the second to it we've we to quarter, fee-for-service. kind moved year. half past in be probably higher than

of about inching continue we're close mix, would hover current XX% to area, that probably payer going bit. from just So to in up that the a to level that suggest maybe pretty that but


of with question Matt Larew William the next from comes line Your Blair.

Matthew Larew

on just commented more elective Just curious, you've returning obviously broadly, bonds returning. procedures and

Delta care than Patient are obviously this variant algorithms point, your were during vaccines in up place. moving any at more how vaccinated, recent they in QX. in terms curious the the with seen more curious a staff's have presume bit I you out, picked But of looked July, established, PPE obviously, Just around what you things you've that momentum in surges. changes in just have

Mark Tarr

that place had up. we'll last certainly, hospitals. this quarantine PPE, increase protocols handful the agencies we're as we've since in prepared our an have of seeing due patient at patients being in in that we great well an year a of work there's of staff then. workplace. is acute the amount Matt, the from number that We've seeing that be than evidence they in or outside the with a or either exposure marketplaces, less our that we COVID confidence in teams. uptick during in have But the in treated. in picked working increase momentum care hospitals a any point own They're not changes population we're have been COVID own may of seen noted, our seen But to the an What you in have and the put

our hospitals equipment individuals of minutes. us All have within rapid the XX test Abbott allows in-house testing to that

any lies So not on we've But we're at impact prepared what our direct this seen point, business. for ahead.

Douglas Coltharp

is that would programs patients - And making the you what we to Ultimately, of average And patient Recall when that to look surgeries I we're term. be the elective the with elective the done. deferred we're elective combine treating the that. are of in recede. progress we're going the prioritizing on that the IRF focus fact we're procedures the for add types age are need in setting, they only Matt, see population, procedures that at that in expect the short senior treating and that vaccination the don't to of that that

Matthew Larew

context Doug. great that's there, Yes,

the to year-over-year, terms On side, Obviously, admit you also it can understand But ADC staffing? ground? negative help that Is the was maybe you're there an hospice the on what that growth seeing Maybe get to us industry-wide. work the geographies? to update helpful earlier would there. isolated be near in some of were certain issues related

Barbara Jacobsmeyer


mostly there had that And due to occupancies were we're the was again, we key were markets staffing lower also So mainly, in the and but the, nursing. those challenges. facilities, SNF senior it living seeing some where again, some

nursing get as agencies far those staff. as seeing are up hired We their

patients, mix. piece it come other say the but of pre-COVID in normal pre-COVID as stay a impacted been We of more length seeing would that COVID length of return diagnosis saw a we're and kind of that decrease normal has the the of back length stay. I stay kind So to - with


from line comes of with RBC. the Frank Your next question Morgan

Frank Morgan

I'll the commentary, back last to going guess that last stay question hospice. on I and

length said hospice that I you in reaching of think sort of pre-pandemic stay was levels.

the care kind of in second terms months the business quarter the home the of exited how in across was movement trends the about admission of - in curious health not business. what terms any just but you the admissions, Just of the in could specific of the to across months the momentum terms quarter, numbers, you and you've may hospice and also really of give describe in want quarter

Barbara Jacobsmeyer

have month. was Only don't I specific month actually. by the as this, trends it

Mark Tarr

second permanent issues. be Generally quarter we careful see or the more any that, the about being You've the within as and of limitations because of hospice don't particularly season. got home summer well holidays health as the in to speaking,

Frank Morgan

about Got the And think regions, explanations talked particular and think any when that market-specific? could in I you you. mentioned specific out? was be might Any labor, call some I you business. that you And that regions hospice

Barbara Jacobsmeyer

call out in say is I some the already I that, we've hires quarter, would changing. it's our I really so second would that nice No, today had what think actually potentially increase over changes,

major don't I anything that concerns there's that in particular have over. So know we

Douglas Coltharp

geography. that Frank, But is same market-by-market no the really It's a would see the for really also of bode in It terms to trends hospitals. phenomenon.


question with of Chickering next Pito Deutsche the Your comes Bank. line from

Philip Chickering

as filing? as now made of the order you through fast take announcement don't to and guys the in And you the if you the the spin the S-X, questions I want the filed Crissy do know to answer. rough how Crissy's that me able you Is Barb you on process why talk finally, S-X do I strategic let XX a to about review, submitted? can confidential can the decided if and announcements us see meet are S-X public can you that walk of some June to CEO that proxy we but you Can ask so? S-X? was CFO when And

John Darby

that at Yes. we're Peter, not position Pito, this to that's in - that's provide detail point.

Philip Chickering

the you answer of the to transacted? if Couldn't route fast that that you be - could simple how decided you a provide S-X was go, just filed

Mark Tarr

our within completely That's control.


comes John Ransom of the James. Raymond from line question with next Your

John Ransom

question Yes, to - answer. to to actually going going you're ask the try I'm answer

neutral a bit business, there developing a if won't care, means just on we that it If But kind so, So that value-based bps? Or Are does at momentum? a you what kicker? contracting a pick-up? - like? a And And good do arrangement? think this we inch example, any than things. along? ago. a up you look Are is lot fee-for-service reason value-based you might little this to of of it lot X downstream? what might impression think of or a is is have is pick slower is be percentage IRF all X-sided the your look at with for years in cases then point that Is this taking continue my of are kind now And just approximately guy we a might thought that guy/bad where to of

Mark Tarr

So the it's business. in virtually, the within of everything contracts that and book we're doing health with regard is to segment value-based MA home care

portion a is business. it relatively a our of it's growing but that small correct You're

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think I ago. as just the versus expectations or had we X X definitely recently around it's years that

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Douglas Coltharp

both a voluntary John, our our pace we at at just work that point. to CMMI either we it the trade gone do with We our snail's and have. do work wants this and, forward, very in moving But of to our a favor with as part think we to has Clearly, our upon provide pace, of proposition associations, yes, programs, value we of see as you use based have will as value what relative of quality think new slow it segments. this to or lot up a has noted, we'll the moved mandated. in administration

Mark Tarr

and things common on historically you lowest struggled M&A with the rate to differentiated just between providers business, they when We from that that therefore, through. is got do denominator one home the our before we've the perspective. based not believe MA have of at shines quality look get the of book into plans a health Specifically, the quality. And

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John Ransom

you mean, And care seeking of one look And to just competitors intensive about care just at X with bought talked this X you have as you've the business go of for sort think a with do and I of X the sure at that need your admissions look XXX that's to business. some kind a you or or bypass about for quick DRGs, model SNF-at-home. if a the of tech-enabled What's But kind and begin both hospital post-acute home out years, hospital I'm got models altogether that - follow-up. going follow-up. your we're and in - a home a start obviate they capabilities? like SNF X-day

Mark Tarr

in we number Well, are what done those have there backgrounds a to for. we're from of diagnostic of that think, of different historically nursing a could physical what the demand setting, advancements of been given types preparing the setting. - facilities certainly be we number have the a health, SNF-at-home That's that meet that's home home gone,

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Douglas Coltharp

lose try you into you benefits of of acuity the home, the to of push scale. If that all kind

to essentially ratios able hospitals. for as at one-on-one kind run we the that You in to have in being staffing of to EPOB, go opposed of and instance, the kind home to do our


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Capital line from question comes of Markets. the BMO next Your Matthew Borsch with

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Ben Matt. have actually in for filling You

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Mark Tarr

amount on bed the we the obviously, deploying de remain very and evidenced growth bullish side. capital about the we're both the of novos there, expansions capacity So the towards

the future. quite that's we the that for said, definitely expected foreseeable we cohort a population address growth, overall the years, demographics U.S. hospitals The and through few rehabilitation the a fastest-growing population our to at age of continue As multiple is cohort inpatient in of are the our favor. for

technological kept increasing the with we don't population. In And that, the the as well. the of high of of kind beds as obsolescence up in addition the the risk IRF not supply licensed to demand simply of in see any U.S. has aging

IRF starting that broader standpoint address be SNF. a to when had point that had your market to we the a believe to for want years, address box provided very died an about have would kind flex also direction, towards to kind it our said, site-neutral here, some dialogue And around remain begin single ever addressable ultimately, expanded to being optimistic you an moving And that with to So we of It the several and physical is versus move exponentially. is over an from you inpatient post-acute has that to have continue an inpatient IRF or LTAC of to the currently down is a a going fact, that from space. And IRF we to setting staffing the if, IRF do to really post-acute you're standpoint services it an LTAC will model, even a if We've of space what the been last the even investing you able in SNF. though services. that of in acuity, better to need have for may because spectrum in gets bet. if a total kind head

Douglas Coltharp

to high we the with that years a to Health could future had, think Matt, higher-acuity impact will a year acuity. that ability we've through Others post-acute have of we on we to reputation sector, themselves, such an them very functioning handle fashion. some last And that that into show higher-acuity the for carry think level can handle that over Encompass quality COVID of think the strong and And that level. not and a developed back reputational we've the areas last in patient came get year to certain proved of for certainly patients was us high as and we opportunity our IRF patient. exposed provide

So continued services. on the we're very bullish for demand IRF


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