Albany International (AIN)

John Hobbs Director, Investor Relations
Bill Higgins President & Chief Executive Officer
Stephen Nolan Chief Financial Officer
Caitlin Dullanty Bank of America
Dan Flick Cowen
John Franzreb Sidoti & Company
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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you everybody for holding and welcome to the Albany International Conference Call -- Second Quarter Conference. And at this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.

We will have a question-and-answer session at later time which instructions will be provided. At this time, let me go ahead and transfer your conference call to Mr. John Hobbs, Director, Investor Relations. Mr. ahead Go Hobbs.

John Hobbs

and Ernie, everyone. Thank good you, morning,

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Bill Higgins

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right. ensure contraction and globally, we risk the pandemic those Some with Clothing customers XXXX segment. the a placed orders mitigation to Machine witnessed orders line a second sharp half during top XXXX incremental who've And and for economic activity have headwinds days in chain early combined the pushed we've the to of expect into the continuity their supply of as

markets. to and on higher-margin from pressure our expect away see we lower of driven volumes margins shifts Additionally, by mix some

and and segment the good ongoing now the solid our in performed annual up of and decline. challenges of through our defense revenue segment. driving strength closures accounted for Last production the to make despite which which of military our facilities, Composites temporary exceptionally majority in profit on managing of particularly bottom LEAP well, COVID-XX Engineered our the line year-over-year also Our quarter resiliency Composites Engineered over programs military one-third We're discussed we programs. sales the

reliability continue customers on improve to business. portion operation. our to technology based quarter. we Here invest growing levels we of grow in delivery, work this pursue record these to this reputation achieved continue terms to products of with delivery additional quality, And We service key performance on-time our and our for of and

have our work on industry encouraging more set been COVID acquire the year, hard term is we by The As which is aerospace has F-XX scope to long program XXX this commercial increased reported the F-XXs. pandemic. earlier Japan even hit as over

and our personnel. As three in Mexico -- you'll recall, earlier delays year, force, personnel the production and MAX to New reductions. had due in a of but We've three closure production Boeing facilities, this Hampshire, those primarily reduction undertake other SG&A also of and LEAP also announced including AXXXneo and XXX all facilities production to we the France LEAP temporary Airbus at

market our While as our regrettable recovers. balance revenue with this to workforce is the move required expected

efficient We've Third to these quarter production operations restart to production. very should facilities. closely of at work the see to continued resumption LEAP safe assure Safran with gradual and a

impact production. start During of Boeing's the we'll to on the announced see third cuts XXX quarter,

to frames production happy XXX and back our commercial Longer fuselage section teams XX% This our which great begin is year. -- production in are the of producing were serving the the announce expand We beginning begin customers the we've awarded of contract expect evidence to business expect of further the to late of XXXX. year doing, XXX at work rate we're term, producing be been of our fuselage XXX frames, of in a half composite with components aft half components. the to rate about we complex our first aerospace that and in new

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Stephen Nolan

for Thank results the about for you, good for talk the our year. of the morning I'll first Bill, the quarter then and everyone. balance outlook to our business and revised about

XX%, reductions quarter offset engineered sales partially again and primarily currency in significant net by on fabrics. million translation $XXX CH-XXK were by for $XXX.X offset by sales publication net in CirComp. in completely grades XX.X% sales, flat translation year. Engineered in last packaging for revenue, company total acquisition to tissue, delivered In decrease net adjusting with year-over-year, quarter, also F-XX growth declined the and year-over-year caused declined same and platforms almost compared effects, pulp growth million quarter. in and program the second and translation currency sales the currency For effects, of the declines by GEXX the Machine net Clothing, a in effects, of LEAP Composites after grades for by adjusting were Adjusting XX.X% the

XXX XX.X% from company overall increased Second reduction by net million, to a was X.X% year. of basis for period sales. the gross quarter of profit from points XX.X% gross $XXX The margin last the comparable

gross long-term million over driven million Within improved compared net mix depreciation gains year, sales, XX.X% sales, Within of to of revenues improved to principally by favorable impact, quarter second and margin the the of margin expense. the and from foreign of a XX.X% MC in this program the in reduced due AEC, of and segment, in to profitability $X favorable efficiency contracts to gross the XX.X% net XXXX. mix net XX.X% estimated from change $X exchange

income After gross in lower expense technical, as million non-functional to in recent the in quarter. expense and higher year. last year quarter. percentage The $XX.X the Total by expense Machine netted revaluation expenses. offset currency in fell net caused our compared was to Clothing a year. to tax was sales. of sales, million amount STG&R an profits higher period of Net the integration, million attributable Earnings XX%. of by by million, by $XX.X last currency the quarter. sales share losses, expense XX.X% restructuring gains from quarter from partially and last XX.X% research higher the was to prior operating expense million, the company per but the was million, year by primarily to $XX.X $X by expenses, adjusted earnings and declined while rate. XX% expenses rate AEC operating rate a STG&R The Clothing the $X.X caused and of in $X.X million XX.X% net million up down from Second in million of the CirComp tax income for tax rates. for income income income $X.XX or and higher prior compared or and income from driven most general the driven operating net of the increased lower per travel for quarter down of $XX.X year. prior compared the quarter, jurisdictions in EBITDA sales was year's year. million, lower X% the even to $XX recent grew lower the million Other the EBITDA the the period higher and liabilities share $XX.X expense, of driven Adjusted reduction the or in to most of higher was XX.X%, XX.X% increased selling, was quarter. quarter year net a expenses in year, with this adjusted last of reduction of last impact of or for adjusted $XX.X was a associated expenses million foreign from quarter, XXXX quarter gross restructuring for in profit primarily to was assets revaluation $XX.X with higher this for second by reduction profit adjusting operating EBITDA generation by an quarter, of $X million The The year from the $XX.X XX% current income sales million, acquisition was in million in year. $X.XX from net each X.X% company in global AEC and $X.X the $XX.X quarter share same of last $XX.X same and Machine

which program on long-term QX, reduction in which down of Total million gross to our of X.XX in debt QX, cap debt by during amounts credit total cash We million in will the million of current debt made QX, had near some of balance debt, that reduction Capital note during the product cash little the operating was $XX about payments not million credit from down to $XX program Turning were the expenditures in repeated facilities. LEAP of like netting, collections for by deliveries X.X allowed be million. limitation the XXXX, agreement, the ratio declined of Those flow three maturities at end our cash $X QX. under absolute ongoing in of The the at cash as QX. reported with collect in debt, agreement. of against down the debt of $XX to was XXXX X.XX we leverage the ratio QX, I under credit net XXXX, or the the in consists The declined million, about at caused reduction both very to during $XXX on our $XXX period us principally a $XX the expenditures on limits quarter, of the did about quarter due during long-term segment. the lower strong down in of to million at used the same our shutdown X.XX, the sheet position. a in X.XX, end the from results LEAP end for end leverage and cash the to LEAP in from capital Under debt end almost Disregarding we QX. an in while leverage on ratio facility drawn principally of repayment segments. capital Composites, $XX resulting in Engineered the our caused quarter we of Machine million of last debt, year, of well on both due QX. definition in of principally the Clothing finished while reduction would expenditures quarter, the shipped that, by net netting from quarter

performance last first noted year-to-date sufficient subsequently Despite of guidance balance into withdrawn to the over Looking compared reversal quarter. QX the pandemic, the that of order to insight basis XXXX. we year, we our prior forward during ongoing while down a to position, out orders favourably the about were our up are And X%, financial XXXX, had to we of reinstate guidance. have profit compares now After believe down segment, original Machine X% In XXXX. guidance. QX, expected were on strong we to the that orders QX compared half the a our reinstated Clothing almost have from of called witnessed orders we X%

to represented we end which products the engineered most and saw are XX% due to current quarter. orders unexpected. in macroeconomic which is the the continue also while we effect for grades in show the market serve environment, of fabrics two have declines, impact quarter recent packaging to are Sales declines the of less susceptible sector, acceleration grades packaging an the than in fabrics, work-from-home revenue changing grade multiyear partially seen sectors greatest during While decline not of publication and publication year-over-year of our the engineered conditions. that This of

lag out there we and effect in by between our cycle is replenishment pandemic, the for has of Notwithstanding, is driven the quarters This downturn borne macroeconomic end that been downturns out results. typically few QX products, on Machine impact before, business. product current strong. Clothing by have As markets those pointed a segment's a was the the the performance recent and accompanied revenue also our QX

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full year, adjusted are For segment million. $XXX million we now to of $XXX EBITDA guiding, the

despite quarter Composites was to long-term Albany-Safran, revenue. reduction some profitability, compared additional Engineered program million also The primarily only almost generated but the $XX of the XXXX. was impact profit only as by QX, caused not adjustments LEAP in contract to million expected, second $XX quarter generated challenging, QX revenue in additional of in revenue Turning revenue the to which in which

meet During for facilities, opened customer demand of a our the ASC recent quarter, to weeks. we few did partially three LEAP one

during of ongoing lower to the Boeing closed production New of remain and of caused by of production three quarter due Mexico by MAX today, family. bulk Hampshire XXX and a in all rate the facilities, However, the were closed, those And France situation. the AXXXneo demand depressed Airbus,

not to those in program revenue of reopening QX from different the facilities QX. in expect staged a we see LEAP materially compared will do we ASC While QX,

the facility, Salt in the level, of also weakness XXXX. perspective, Bill also million aftermarket $XXX our in in City will deliver begin programs, From expect XXX The we to and build LEAP for to our in until XXX that And rate perform demand well, For to a QX, component Defense years, beyond, At of Lake we witnessed which represented in than very us, in from an LEAP this program revenues into segment ASC or positive for the QX revenue revenue several less continue reduction At not program both, ongoing XXXX. to build will over be and in revenue. demand see the impact late from in Boeing's we the QX. QX the content tanks. generate our full new level overall, and it year expect and for expect win year now AEC modest wastewater early additional referenced, QX for we approaches we do we in XXXX at to our further sequential improvement next. recovery with some the XX% best expect before

was adjustment partially improved performance certain the extremely loss noted, in year, From segment million. by are revenues not other net to For quarter. on profitability programs. the level reduction high closeout perspective, $XXX as This driven lead long-term an ongoing programs. a the we will a, net full the adjustment guiding of And for Engineered to reserves multiyear of million benefited the of of portions by Composites in to estimated favorable Those profitability contract from now a project. $XXX future adjustments already

million guiding the of EBITDA For $XX segment now to adjusted are we million. year $XX full

initial increased, Turning our three guidance provided in the the earlier caused from reinstituted by to guidance year has the tax factors. company level,

jurisdiction of recognized we in balances, in carryforwards. where potential on of the non-functional recording benefit a revaluation loss we not QX the which are a loss currency occurred First, significant

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expect quarter, last this to year. As generate I significant we free flow mentioned cash

for to and $X.XX depreciation million, some revenue the our million; and million and $XX is the compared between point XX% million flow million, compared million; to $XXX earnings forecast the I'd original $X.XX million EBITDA we billion; and and to amortization of original $X.XX, $XX guidance million This expenditures of million to million of between related quarter's original with to in compared higher there and million for of than year. $XX guidance over strength business to $XXX total out company At adjusted guidance of between as of earnings $XXX of effective positive share that additional rate the to of pour unusual original share million of per $X.XX revenue to of guidance $XXX XX%, XX% out $X.XX quarter. range the between to generating $XXX and of of balance compared per results to compared XX% level, guidance to $XXX adjusted XX%; income $X.XX guidance with $XX the risk like and of our line compared $X.XX. million, original $XX $XXX of and original million $XX tax in to over to income between follows; cash $X.XX of of $X.XX; are guidance; original cash capital GAAP reinstating free net XXXX our guidance to $XX

about forecast demand have, we While our also for further to the obviously, macroeconomic could crisis the There pandemic our additional are know products. incorporate any ongoing we reductions what shocks in do from operation. risks in to our lead

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Please Thank [Operator Caitlin Instructions] start you a let’s Dullanty. a session yes, everybody. And, from here. go ahead. have question-and-answer question We

Caitlin Dullanty

guys. morning, Good

you next the you and downturn are significant aerospace several any the to years, industry structural the how Given all headwinds is there entire is seeing possibly change that for the or in and we the to facing commercial growth in business of do for Do the or there? new any are thinking AEC? Or plan shift? trajectory What programs your there pursue? change you strategy is about thinking type

Bill Higgins

the the of Caitlin is for morning question. time. we're a And course, looking at challenging thanks Good It and Yes, strategy.

fundamental that we and benefits we bring materials how in with can have We the advanced belief our a them. apply

our the growth end for is, where markets, be are going we to which where going higher market market's customers. the can So add forward, question end the benefit

to to continuing So our look our we're of balance on continue work our our And yes, strength sheet, strategy, develop and with new we're going the materials product programs technology the development. for to at future. and

take as So online. with next and there be well generation. what generation we commercial military develop advanced the I coming pursuing new can the aircraft believe be as we defense and it will get in of aerospace, to also longer We're platforms side, next composites. can new we

Caitlin Dullanty

end Okay. Can a bit and environment, over trends what And bit. just the back quarter the across market? color then, you Did demand Just color into Thank out destocking about little how you there you. kind going you on to going it to more be more a of MC about? That's helpful. the talk played a specifically see little And trends? tissue any looking that bit little talking tailwind demand? for you're is that in mentioned. Is the provide

Bill Higgins

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of the markets, across end all we fact, serve In them.

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through a in earlier where We down the up places. are slow change kind that's a versus China. year, Packaging Americas In China pace in little China, were has has picked in different gone of versus some but seeing slowed Europe they a bit.

the fall So think if don't middle of did we're we the as off start I into you a of strength mixed than But we And this see the through in the add picture. watching to QX. rest bit in of a it's yes. quarter, Steve, quarter see the want I in to know go China we more so world. little end that to orders


Thank from you. go And our next question Gautam Please comes ahead. Khanna.

Dan Flick

This Yes, Dan question. the Gautam. guys. Thanks for is hey on for

I first, And defense that could what AEC. programs. shed on Is I'm you So all programs light wondering at guessing defense some are mostly not EACs was driving true? if it's if

Bill Higgins

Sure. Stephen mute. take to on that one? Stephen, be may do you want you

Stephen Nolan

Director Yes Bill Yes. - Can Higgins you now? hear A we CEO me International can. President XX Albany & Corp. -

Stephen Nolan

was programs, of defense Sorry. portion not programs of commercial I and mix variety all was programs of actually hadn't defense although was -- operations down a a It a programs. it. It is in AEC. it defense just of both across our

we're programs into not level it any to down programs, was on the going several detail two. specific but one not program So, at get just or

Dan Flick

And to additional XXX That's you good Understood. quantify on fashion the any Okay. content are then, able guys the know. in to new agreement?

Stephen Nolan

that aft revenue now can't I forward parts. fuselage you generating At not dollar a a frames. before shipset We've We new dollars few those in to significant were from that this thousand -- add some the to disclose number. disclosed per fuselage, position we're but we stage, the we're give in content a yes hundred the from

Dan Flick

fair. that's Yes, Okay.

more be the a and going to it's time goes? lead one online when -- then, the speed as back what's kind what's just efficiently come And Sorry getting so processes on I then. for working and ramp-up, far as slow retraining back like up to those but hiring facilities What again? process of to know the LEAP

Bill Higgins

a to for have month were time great for short very, line I'd that to learning take last specific facility one. did on temporarily product last up facilities it well. that The LEAP – how to effectively the very in period We restart of come – and was restart Yes. one manufacture a three a went closed. and us experience how

that those processes technical furlough. employees the So on those folks are are know-how all the running

October in of now role. the the some have come plant So time quarter up to frame. of we them rest then their in September, beginning it may ramp and plan of of But it into some a this the and probably upon depending

like to curve. we can feel running manufacturing we year. good as learning like be the a were We to a expect high have So last aren't restart. And imagine don't there volumes at large you we volumes process

but to back and feel start – good looking a it. pretty place to good forward we're So like up we in

Unidentified Analyst

very Thanks Okay. much.


our you. from Franzreb. question Thank next comes John And

John Franzreb

[Technical Difficult]

Bill Higgins

we're noise. a question lot the John packages. about background of understand getting I couldn't something

John Franzreb

on Yes sizably whether back-to-school we office [Technical than be what Difficulty] are could looking thoughts weaker for head the those into – I'm as your the things is market

Bill Higgins

an very a in Yes that slowdown order color a earlier the with mean maybe they've publication decline we've of I so there. started everywhere. year already just seen in bit been weak, just

get we So soon don't question. expect that to better that's your if

Stephen Nolan

year-over-year. saw yes John, down repeat decline double-digit a they well in where were So the double-digit effectively orders in QX. We publication into were QX

publication of continued could have are back that exacerbated balance the as we into decline of into that don't really insight markets but a the return the be Some get a as We of for the expectations get full year. to throughout our we fall yet school.

John Franzreb

paper was Okay. talking company a government-sponsored benefit Difficulty]? sizable to And programs margin yesterday – [Technical had one I

Bill Higgins

tail end you're we that benefit. think I programs but of had if at you the John and lost about any asking received We government-sponsored

John Franzreb


Bill Higgins

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John Franzreb

question guess Okay. I last me. if you can one understand

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Bill Higgins

equipment. the conversions for watching We're of

white very know what another. one you the at size you the then the virgin from depending the capability have convert using making And of as recycled they're what and grade to the look machines or are, As it's recycled on to or well machines expensive the as, to with of pulp probably they're pulp machines machines a whether time-consuming width paper paper. of something

time. So watching and that. very It's expensive we're takes it

do. it's So it there will happen probably out but easy not to

John Franzreb

Okay. Thanks, guys.

connection. Sorry about the


no At Gentlemen, questions. this time [Operator we we don't questions. have Instructions] have time at any more this

Bill Higgins

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