LTC Properties (LTC)

Wendy Simpson Chief Executive Officer
Pam Kessler Co-President & Chief Financial Officer
Clint Malin Co-President & Chief Investment Officer
Jordan Sadler KeyBanc Capital Markets
Connor Siversky Berenberg
Michael Carroll RBC Capital Markets
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Good morning, everyone and welcome to LTC Properties’ Second Quarter Analyst and Investor Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Before management begins its presentation, please note that today's comments including the question-and-answer session may include forward-looking statements, subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results and events to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in LTC's Properties filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission from time to time including the company's most recent 10-K dated December 31, 2020. to or update of circumstances obligation to forward-looking this no events reflect after undertakes revise these or statements presentation. LTC the date that note this is recorded. Please event being to like the to I would conference now over Wendy turn Simpson. go ahead. Please

Wendy Simpson

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Pam Kessler

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$XXXXXX we comprising estate with the the of our four ventures last second related venture on sale to senior year's an joint properties liquidation quarter, a of unconsolidated real loss lifestyle. During recognized of of affiliate unconsolidated joint

property the closed recognized three gain estate in Wisconsin sale real a $X.X net Senior in and Nebraska to XXXX, the on quarter of of previously During million to second we properties of all leased a related of Lifestyle. sale

purchase FFO in quarter Cash of declines second for items senior increased and in of primarily of nonrecurring detailed. is $XXX,XXX sale Net the rent shareholders property FFO last Lifestyle and second starting due million the Colorado, quarter year’s term share $XX.X partially to $X.XX after Senior We excluding the per related the and specifically a lifestyle to lease. payment available year increased exercisable million, Care. to which to $X.XX due of to is to to the The share memory is lease gain last LTC. the escalating previously diluted provides thereafter. quarter. prior diluted was fully portfolio the the also common the Wisconsin a annually decrease increasing three third and previously year. write-off $XXX,XXX This transitioned from five-year NAREIT year The $X.XX operated second in first offset revenue year's operator income XXXX. XXXX, is to in the properties this this by Lifestyle of $X.XX on by care $X.X year rents Senior non- the X% new an Senior a quarter year for second by the in lease by of the has and option

credit. $XX During of the revolving under quarter our unsecured second XXXX, million paid we line

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of X.X%. our unsecured $XX.X notes paid unsecured at we our and under in under borrowed payments principal scheduled senior Additionally, million regular line million $XX revolving credit

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Clint Malin

Pam. you, Thank

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turn I'll for closing her Wendy things Now, to back remarks.

Wendy Simpson

Pam and Clint. you, Thank

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Now, questions. for we'll open the call your up


Capital Jordan go [Operator first ahead. question come Sadler KeyBanc from Please Instructions] Our with Markets. today will

Jordan Sadler

you good Wanted and morning. Thank circle Wendy. to back just

your consecutive And are the or I think next the you remarks feel of you the your prepared sure. reference skilled gains same talk of seeing not gave just a XX are the that to in that nursing week I I'm the business. of your XXX% operators discussed just what portfolio? guys don't you're industry. seeing one I Clint think can an And weeks statistics, occupancy as in thing? seeing context what about in statistic occupancy occupancy necessarily was in like you

Wendy Simpson

We've And several operators. startled the our small had a with at drinks he's in And have Clint market The other in conference the a that's with not But skilled call a operator in of uptick we market. Michigan are they seeing the little lagging properties the a lot of all. evening. occupancy. about Michigan And had Michigan. is situation

accept So Michigan. our we that, much for are Nick's seeing are tracking, pretty operators

Jordan Sadler

followed very Okay. versus last the just you here, properties maybe pay million. update were can And And then, do of the scheduled original the but am was I to XX on I summarize pretty $XX.X I granular. work guys thorough. I wondering, you you -- the rent guess, SLC could But sort it's I the guys forma because rent? thinking pro year

you the What's or transitioned half four for the in or and I expect properties get pro say for total? now much XXXX? $XX XX or of do let's think the XXXX the properties you you've second XX for rent to remaining sold from rest. to forma total How about million transition

Clint Malin

to have really we're of increases. the properties contributor ramping under we're previously. two rents well buildings those as Juniper we Juniper Lifestyle occupancy challenges portfolio and which as Pittsburgh, up The One as and Senior as with articulated, buildings that substantial were to that Jordan is the on I that the two Oxford transitioning

back where increasing So in we're buildings on to And once will and the to get capital be rents. sales. asset a those then, redeploy able to the play at the part big we

as into we're at now. to able into we'll quarter where still the in of first So comparison XXXX, I of be drops get but starting think next give or better that it's we right

Jordan Sadler

Juniper I mean, million? and -- Okay. exclude if Oxford of a you is if number the sort Juniper, there you But $X exclude

Clint Malin

didn't Jordan previously Well, by we allocate property. buildings

allocation to So able to be make take that hard that to it's comparison.

Jordan Sadler


stand. I on think there this kind associated where with guys actually are know a I of ending overall was where you the guys follow-up to curious, up I'm you I of I'm get after with million. but you understand just that. portfolio? $XX can sort I just trying yield

Wendy Simpson

one for quarter guidance one quarter. anything not giving We're fourth, beyond

Jordan Sadler

trying would quarter No, follow. And I'm trying specific one I'm Yeah. than to of more What the there to are some the portfolio just deals? sort looking then, acquisition see guidance. point? you of for -- market anything closer sort it this Clint? smaller where this to I up. I how But I just characterize mean, follow. trying flow guys round I'm I'm understand. not investment to at like on is opportunity getting and starting look a of is specific you these in terms model of

Clint Malin

We're is to skilled into the a Independent, structured today in finance of a right the the we're challenging lot long to haul, from little performance a a diverse is but nursing. investments the to lot compared newer comments activity. Assisted flow. on ask Living seeing Living opportunities the for set deal buy There's of Buying what's seeing I now, on as Yeah. valuation of what assets mentioned

happy been we've transactions. the in with the number we're So of volumes that seeing

comments. working $XXX And intent. So just in million I'll due my lettered involved I not on those we're under but those. mentioned actively are diligence guarantee, And in

see. we by we're So what encouraged

Jordan Sadler

the back Okay. in hop I’ll Thanks. queue.

Clint Malin

you. Thank


our Connor Berenberg. And Please ahead. come Siversky question next from go will with

Connor Siversky

Thanks everybody. at the one call. I'm deferred just the delinquent question rent. me, abated morning Good as in for me looking for Really letting

back me metrics? correct of of there's the repayments the if receipts that wrong. those cash For I term what kind in within into wondering, we particular, think But and between is as the XX I'm weighting any sense deferrals six I that of if term have repayments -- for roll months, there's in the back

Pam Kessler

toward Hi I Connor, Pam. it's back the end. weigh would

elongated. a recovery is the I going little to be think

they of flowing get that. need to stabilization repay obviously to cash all a to so back And

modeling. would wait from you're the back asking end toward if I So

Wendy Simpson

any would we up. And hope clear relief that of out, some funds provider that new come we'll

Pam Kessler


Wendy Simpson

now,… they're stable If

Pam Kessler


Wendy Simpson

… should that come to us.

Pam Kessler


Wendy Simpson

have can to the it it's …Maybe to get we government so to directed us.

Pam Kessler


Connor Siversky

That between others then, that's you or I markets, or than where certain back faster whether are existing related like not any spike to a rate general markets helps. within and on Okay. say mean, delta that? occupancy of seeing anything coming more infection question And just occupancy. your discrepancies the the is

Clint Malin

Our buildings, it differs market. by

seen We occupancy. where on I as Senior have some transitions, been my the there's buildings some Lifestyle of in comments mentioned in a noticeable uptick

So, some little which staying it really depends flatter. markets or market any some seeing tick increase. seeing, in by in up, and deceleration not bit still slowly We're -- encouraging substantial are either a part. the big flat markets, were occupancy, a that's We're

So, the positive. that they're seeing not is declines fact a

Wendy Simpson

generation Yes, recently. especially been And strong. has lead

Connor Siversky

all That’s Okay. Thanks very me. from much.


[Operator from come Capital Markets. next Carroll Instructions] will with Michael Please question RBC Our ahead. go

Michael Carroll

to I guess, the a can long just And mean, Senior give resolution get Could I'm through would the mean, I for hearing? be from lease? some Centers you I that outcomes range court thanks. the figure how we great. you have in Yes, do guys of wait with guys guidance the Care will you on walk this out, next trying decision to occur? bankruptcy us to

Wendy Simpson

get anything. properties. material anything with to for or we'll going fact and predict forward legal we're lease regarding that have situation, say in in considering hearing Well, hard do us if XX the we August the these do this it's a press We release this

and just so can't sorry say anything. So, complicated we just it's Michael, I'm

Michael Carroll

there more Senior Care Okay. now? any those since and I is, understand. or -- the you performing Is you how on commentary filed on No, provide there are bankruptcy? about has can't a talk bit mean, I I understand, I that? about then can can Centers if yet one properties disruption talk it for right you just that mean, been little guidance

Wendy Simpson

gotten financials me Let them? recent from we have --

Clint Malin


recent We got financials. have

Wendy Simpson

haven't Recent any flow financials that us March? they're don't but I would independent on indicate through financials I and financials. due diligence mean, done they're cash giving those we positive,

Clint Malin

through to May. we No, have

Wendy Simpson

they And would indicate positive. May. are those properties Through that flow cash


Michael Carroll

set? Juniper flow based think a Okay. you then, be that EBITDAR leases does And earnings? about rank was to how Senior the going on to I how and the with gets can a talk it in percent kind second does two those new How you're into Lifestyles. receive going it's it Oxford of back that so of formula, for, or quarter, Is

Clint Malin

Mike. great It's a question,

it by with We've design. as to as back both relationships Juniper, both well XXXX. structured Oxford, we had long-standing taking So

So, performance had to those together declined that work those. in so buildings, substantially we cooperate effort be it's going to an towards

a So, if to profit be companies. performance fortunate have to need they we participation relationship with both be some obviously And get making we want operating as strong increases.

second something it's quarterly So a the semi-annually basis that we're then on year. doing first through and it we'll in except cooperatively, the work during year

Wendy Simpson

comp our cash? file Isn't to

Clint Malin

Basic it's still.

it as that not of why purpose designed So it such. would meaningfully was be materially for us performance and improves we to participate as the those

Michael Carroll

they the lease? The lease? of renewal at end two-year options do have And Okay. the

Clint Malin

options. now, Right renewal don't have we

are them existing rent their are on Juniper get buildings into what markets. mean, the to So to a long-term. -- their I but these we to in put put working trying for -- to is lease lease

three building these so we the have Oxford be are have we us buildings, probably look buildings other for participate Oxford presence optionality big would that would any stabilized the buildings. properties the with in is in and selling at Nebraska, we would that be that don't For going that, after be to the Nebraska

Michael Carroll

months August for September. Is but been correct? operator. break there's to deferred how of focus operators you a looks And rent the July only Okay. the all out that And just now? you And on can are many like operators abating rent couple or here, unidentified and then, then, and know, deferred LTC maybe It could how at rent beta to? I that was is many you right is

Pam Kessler

we've quarters. It's that for group same abating of past the couple small been the

in noted the the One, There's beta and one you group, majority. deferred new primarily -- beta the anything in one not one that in group is there. there's So but the group. two in

Wendy Simpson

both They had.

Pam Kessler

got portfolios. transition were It These the their Yes. in portfolios. Yes, transition we've stabilized. not caught was pandemic,

Michael Carroll

you. Thank Great. Okay.

Pam Kessler

welcome. are You


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Wendy Simpson

conference listen the all weekend. you you again to forward taking to and time we at a Thank third call quarter. our of to Bye-bye. great the end Have for look to reporting


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