RDN Radian

John Damian Senior Vice President of Investor Relations
Rick Thornberry Chief Executive Officer
Frank Hall Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Derek Brummer President of Radian Mortgage
Mark DeVries Barclays
Doug Harter Credit Suisse
Mihir Bhatia Bank of America
Randy Binner B. Riley
Bose George KBW
Ryan Gilbert BTIG
Phil Stefano Deutsche Bank
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Welcome to the Radian's First Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. My name is Jenny [ph]. I'll be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. that is note recorded. Please Instructions] this being conference [Operator to the Senior I turn over John Relations. will now Investor call Damian, of Vice President Mr. begin. may you Damian,

John Damian

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Rick Thornberry

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Frank Hall

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Rick Thornberry

Thank Frank. you,

your call the open we Before to questions.

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take to happy be we'll operator, questions. Now


our question Barclays. DeVries Please Instructions] ahead. from first [Operator Mark from go comes

Mark DeVries

deposit guys shifted lost you about around have have chunkier from of the caused some what quarter amount of business looks out were fair might it some risk might or share [ph] market NIW. from you like to quarter-over-quarter? pieces Can have larger just NIW you talk you there originators talk that certain with about missed share might non-bank away looks there down Could a and in stepped you or on? just that like some It this

Derek Brummer

Thank Derek. This in is that's of relative these really the Mark. industry. pricing movements of drives, you, mystery in days not just Look market really share terms in terms

to peers. company just driven you when up by So pricing insurance they the fact it's mortgage see relative picking share, that lowered generally

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Mark DeVries

that Okay, the related On that's share NIW. a down force of and topic, in obviously very part loss quarter-over-quarter helpful was, the was color. in insurance

is At fade. the just you have book relative fact to think kind force part start that the to what guys a the what point run you off of that would to I you've in of expect pulled insurance growth from done ago. back from headwind singles years singles to of another couple your

Rick Thornberry

think appreciate first question Mark, force. this I Rick. off, And in insurance is I on the

I think really over occur favorable last There's seen the what quarters. few recently transition. we've

Sometimes, of actually think accelerated were in we've insurance through past what's changes But this year. the portfolio scene. We've really considered behind process volume. gone highly dramatically might negative. pretty decline as seen terms in force There our be change construct this the refinance of we in happening

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we made on very the value transition feel growing about good of the the we're think for been So the and that's very prospects bullish to portfolio. related I

Mark DeVries

Okay, great. Thank you.


question Doug from go our Harter Please ahead. Credit from And comes next Suisse.

Doug Harter

was hoping today. might movement you program bit thinking turned March little the back repurchase the in guess you about a around be of and help given more stock sizing detail you opportunistic just how I on could share purchases? I potential us share on of repurchase when the

Frank Hall

Sure, this is Frank.

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In to approach number only is remained something based for past. previously value activity. are ones the saw that successful that to repurchase in it's and you we've of month similar been that very and use in our the shares So so represents committed of us repurchase the one buyback program

million We August expires authorization that year. XX on remaining have $XXX of in current our this

keep that the future in you and quarter each plans repurchase we'll see also returned. posted authorization with and around what remains what we in activity capital quarter maybe the So the

Doug Harter

purchase in mentioned you remarks, was shares know during prepared your price I average March? what And of the

Frank Hall


Doug Harter

Great, thank you.


of America. Mihir comes ahead. from Bank And from Bhatia Please go question our next

Mihir Bhatia

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Derek Brummer

this Sure, is Derek.

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Mihir Bhatia

it. can about If returns Well helpful. ask that's you. maybe Got I Thank then.

of pricing you still if return sizable relative Is lowering. compared Just a longer ones price is of will? to changed first your So through that, a are the expectation these changes couple one the from that term algorithm quick the mid-teens on business here? health case just

Derek Brummer

is Derek. this Sure,

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Mihir Bhatia

one me. just last Got I you. Thank it. And from then guess question

rates? book we that way year for expect like reasonable on returns, So mentioned higher is Just economy for to thinking are XXXX average lower done prices improve was if that us of had continues that returns to of or In over think you pricing and half book? am above almost generally pricing was given I XX% the that you terms Rick book in expect, written as this? it When I all XXXX. the your interest was

Rick Thornberry

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gone has transition the look, we as force. through insurance and our in So

almost the certainly has book at almost monthly these of over entire rates business. I our these originated last and levels. of in of pricing business XX months, half, half think really been our book But at So half of the

we Again, we does I reasonable of assumption. the see future outlook. not assumption as to is especially But kind think than this that anticipated, provide a economy. for will we're books better see well those economic probably think as the perform I originally forward speak the here recovery

Mihir Bhatia

you questions. Thank my taking for


from Randy B. next Binner our comes And go Please ahead. from Riley. question

Randy Binner

away on I persistency so and this that shift bouncing annualized the bit you It pricing all along a and about like is communicate. figure unless I the commentary persistency wanted [ph] ask, maybe bottom. little to one looks from

So expected. that looks better than have I would

you it will, is of it be in be So this going with possible to the down? shift different persistency there stabilizing or so if kind still question in and market than is that is, I that Is right it refi this could And kind model. in volatile offsetting factors is, your you seen the the by what are incredibly housing mean market we've activity strong housing what past? just But now. have of and persistency

continue be acting should in to plan and is we wondering time and there different volatile. kind persistency And way the of be if, just around if might I'm low so to this anything

Frank Hall

Frank. Randy. impacted rate by driven to by course largely environment. persistency that that's On of This be is activity. the is refinance going I And mean Sure,

mortgage from of seen to So bottom the we extent have rates the a perspective.

high levels I XXs XXs, than longer-term you number type up persistency expect come of level. think see to to should more natural low that

persistency. Now normalized maybe is positive increasing that's a net agree our rates and and level would out But little slightly environment. stable call it rate that yes, that with increase you as a I for those bit

Randy Binner

around more understand this there's pushing think I generally kind other from But time the and the market function out lot I in more housing a refi think cycles guess is I the of and difference be, like I I just rates. mean would interest there refi, there's of between a product. entities this before consumers.

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Rick Thornberry

for mortgage opportunity, question, to industry tell this whether whether I've you XX I it's Randy. it's industry in over I brokers, honestly, a it's quite large think mortgages refinance I've think great been a originators, seen never I whether have missing banks. years it's and

give that the from We're today the option. to And push to be how through out the there's aggressive any based ability we've the rates know But are refinances in all don't will that But it in always think upon to US. going better this down I over that come and think plays I leverage comes for We and past. still think how they're outstanding a have relative But the So that I consumers And been mortgage money. may different impact. it's have interest some future. the the I historically seeing exercise book willingness technology. obviously again cycle up. current seen rates to when

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predict to it how out. hard So plays

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Randy Binner

All right, Thanks. that. I appreciate


go ahead. from And KBW. our next from George question Bose comes Please

Bose George

see beat of couple But that just impacting go post-COVID overall to industry the remained fairly market, increases. that. the giving is the the pricing fair don't has versus mean that's is pricing, And of back to shares the on I bid that, on to here dead wanted Just bulk terms questions. A wanted a at mean going of the One, back stuff. summarize what's I to the it to say to that in all? just market? a So horse lot stable the size shifts then is

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Derek Brummer

first think I in question. so Yes, the

stable forward bid size terms business. it's of pretty of think bulk in I the the

terms significant don't think in of we've seen that. shifts I So

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stability. where little kind You a point reached there's more bit certain of

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right, still the more in You more hope forward of see to more a a that that and return at stabilized you're see and moving more would rata distribution. would then, environment to would bid what the expect pricing a volume. we around you return see shift That's bulk of see of pro to point, everyone

Bose George

you return. Okay, capital great. just, Thanks. over And the switching if

sort a which up puts you in company, the to noted, relative guys I was FHA like the position you good of is of there's there lot holding buy sort insurance you balancing from just ongoing company? a As you've capital got restrictions restriction while the Co. - the still curious, aggressively whole [ph]. just or at any to could back shares there dividend of on given act

Frank Hall

is this Frank. Bose,

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Bose George

Okay, great. Thanks.


Gilbert comes ahead. BTIG. Ryan And Please from from go our next question

Ryan Gilbert

traditional premium if target and done your as of My does programs, percentage first of single your single I past? premium QSR sense insurance When in QSR, a force would you've a the versus move force insurance you premium question that to thinking But single around you're a future know is total policies like premium make earlier. percentage it I'm you policies. in single it QSR shrinks. wondering to you more the have be to about in discussed which for the

Derek Brummer

this Yes, Derek. is

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are monthly's to like going and interest rates. have things sensitivities singles to So different

you so component. that competitor important there pricing relative is, relative But in even arguably vice monthly's, shift and just versa. more moving component extent So to that's singles value would see see versus the an important where to the we expect

percentage we're volume. of not So a particular pegging to

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Ryan Gilbert

versus any over profile as been singles Has just the few change the meaningful and there Okay follow-up. a last months? return monthly in of

Derek Brummer

terms of think return there's in No overall, change I profile. been don't

with and earlier. of I think economy kind the this we generally improving talked about

the the The look board. the think would be the economic that's As will we equal, business expectation improve and I from marginally things of kind at being and returns all outlook. across

Ryan Gilbert

it. got Okay,

services you're M&A plan your your how versus estate in me, growing I'm strategic about real from accelerate there? wondering using question to business Second thinking that business. organically

Rick Thornberry

Rick. is this Ryan,

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that So is the business organic growth of accelerating.

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Ryan Gilbert

Thanks great. much. Okay, very


Please from And Stefano Deutsche our from ahead. go comes next Phil Bank. question

Phil Stefano

March. early, in put start. you had that place Just on a you to point put that? Frank, Is the XXbX-X that late? few mid, a ones fine in was mentioned quick Can

Frank Hall

early. was it Sure,

Phil Stefano

fantastic. Okay,

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Frank Hall


Phil Stefano

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Frank Hall

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Phil Stefano

sense. Okay, no that makes

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Rick Thornberry

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Phil Stefano

forward to too. it looking I'm Thanks


have no further for any to this questions over at remarks. will We closing Rick it time. turn I Thornberry

Rick Thornberry

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