Full House Resorts (FLL)

Lewis Fanger CFO
Daniel Lee President & CEO
Jordan Bender Macquarie Research
Gary Ribe Accretive Wealth Partners
Brian Gustavson 1060 Capital
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Good day and welcome to the Full House Resorts Third Quarter Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Lewis Fanger, Chief Financial Officer of Full House Resorts.

You may begin.

Lewis Fanger

Thank you. everyone. afternoon, good And third call. our quarter to earnings Welcome

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Daniel Lee

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Lewis Fanger


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Daniel Lee

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Lewis Fanger

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[Operator Wealth. of Accretive Gary Instructions] We will now take our Ribe next question from

Gary Ribe

everything. Dan, job on Lewis, great

Lewis Fanger

Gary, thank you.

Gary Ribe

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Daniel Lee

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Gary Ribe

Got it.

don't So you Colorado have license gaming second a guys in then.

Daniel Lee

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Gary Ribe

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Daniel Lee

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Lewis Fanger

literally sooner coming than Indiana think. you the mobile Gary, on it's verge. probably is gaming The in

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Daniel Lee

hope up when operating be in when issued their indicated deal a press release, that press national league signed and with they the Smarkets you okay? before they much And fair think a to the to take how release that opened Bowl, to of playoffs, us. the these time Super guess on the football they about bets companies betting get Bowl. on I in are it'd be Super think trying happens And all

Lewis Fanger


Gary Ribe

you March or guess... something, Madness And think right? or -- would least at I

Daniel Lee

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Gary Ribe

makes sense. that Yes,

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Daniel Lee

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Gary Ribe

Well, trust it. I shareholder got things. right it, you'll the Got do and the

Daniel Lee



from Capital. XXXX We take question will Gustavson Brian next of now our

Brian Gustavson

with Waukegan, on one you about kind the other of talk of why make odds better you of kind Just two can or parties partner the just would guys? wouldn't to for you

Daniel Lee

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Brian Gustavson

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Daniel Lee

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Brian Gustavson

plate. Looks like your you've got a lot on

Daniel Lee

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for today's concludes or at closing conference I to additional time, you the any Lee, Mr. will That turn back this question-and-answer session. remarks.

Daniel Lee

and sign will that Well, agreements and running we're hopefully, sports reflect we But agreements best we'll I opportunities. in of find price quarter, can, wish but company X overtime. looking as keep the fourth our could out I the to keep new sports stock

So, thank you.


this concludes gentlemen, you and call. Ladies your for today's participation. Thank

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