Innodata (INOD)

Amy Agress SVP, General Counsel & Corporate Secretary
Raj Jain Principle Financial Officer
Jack Abuhoff Chairman, President & CEO
Tim Clarkson Van Clemens & Company
Joe Furst Furst Associates
Charlie Pine Van Clemens & Co.
Tim Clarkson Van Clemens & Company
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Good morning, and welcome to the Innodata Q4 and Fiscal 2017 Results Call. Today's conference is being recorded. And at this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Amy Agress. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Amy Agress

Thank you, Rely. everyone. morning, Good joining for Thank us you today.

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Raj Jain

quarter review you additional the for review financial perspective Jack Thank you, performance our everyone. performance XXXX to for on later will will performance. quarterly today joining fiscal the XXXX. morning, Amy. I then Thank us and business. Good start fourth and year the provide fiscal

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Jack Abuhoff

Thank today. morning, you, Raj. Good us everyone. you joining for Thank

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Tim Clarkson

breakeven now? think revenue think on your it what do the at a net typical right you you What revenues? what Hey, number would about mix of is net be do

Raj Jain

You breakeven point? mean the

Tim Clarkson

yeah. Yeah. I actually expenses, taking out the

Raj Jain

go range. give Again, let's So, you a I'll segment. by

DDS, it's from somewhere $X for So, $X.X million million. to

For million unchanged, it's for like $X.X to it's Media million. close Synodex, and $XX Intelligence,

Tim Clarkson

alright. Okay,

is annually quarterly Now is then? that that or

Raj Jain

absolutely you're Yes, right.

quarterly, So, had was for apologize. that number I I DDS, the

So, it's $XX change. an basis. about $XX Media million million quoted on $X.X number. change and annual annual was million an annual and I that's And Intelligence what number Synodex,

Tim Clarkson

X Okay. XX GAAP? and

Raj Jain

That is right.

Tim Clarkson



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Jack Abuhoff

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Tim Clarkson


Jack, on think growth prospects Just kind of different are a general basis, then? businesses you do what the the for three

Jack Abuhoff

think that opportunities. I has interesting each

looking some experienced $X.X I Synodex Agility our their and issues learning, think refer And that. very probably the with Awakening. substantial enrichment machine related double data strong of I are operations, acquisition is digital Global come terms that well platform we've as in have I capabilities extraction, for got long we're to got that progressed strong hopefully has value in to billion if we’re median business strategies though market. embracing income the on there me. too quarter to sequentially, But products and there Clearly, bode the as quarter-to-quarter growing and can that making embracing accelerate. we the to gives we're -- fundamentally to opportunity very we’ve DDS nicely well high retention digit we we for well dynamics incoming seeing high-quality from And as choose that Data know. their business good I’ve marketing, a which industry, intelligence. combination think in in customers that it's growth. this long move improvements the In different $X aligned been But in business. who that core through challenging, a the think certainly probably continue, that's artificial enterprises very we that industry. an I we to sales billion is we're Increasingly, and there that breakeven of just that very products we've think in using may data to the got the transformation been business the is seeing progress think we've Market we customer different extremely quality indicators that forecasting

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Tim Clarkson

right. Right,

of have adding to now starting signs that a just somethings can out You been see make you happen or some for months you’re there? couple

Jack Abuhoff

we’re And working be lag a certainly, opportunity. in there’s going hard think bookings. got the the to to from I and is There we’ve pipeline plan. even right think bookings-to-revenue I and

making minutes we’re in we require that to just grow, But reverse need of going ago producing it’s wasn’t to level we XXXX, it So, I’ve we sales for our it as now, in that. make in think earlier that I that few some year, benefit up I’m a we’re fact things that continue can accrues to the said be hoping in the and doing XXXX the in improvements lines otherwise, progress XXXX booking if just order to that is to does, that, that progress of to, us but XXXX. that certainly, the

Tim Clarkson

this Now say would not percentage quarter, with business of based? you versus repeatable what, was in last more project your what

Jack Abuhoff

have. you Raj

Raj Jain

like Yes. It’s close to XX%, XX%.

Tim Clarkson

that? Why typically. And is seasonality fourth to first quarter there some is quarter from

Jack Abuhoff

there end to folks applications the the applications towards have the of companies hard insurance because seasonality real the triggered where what their in are push year will service. some bring Synodex life and our sales for contests, In is business, sales need

seasonality less segments the business. in is there think other I of


question next Associates. Furst [Operator from Furst Joe with We'll take Instructions]. our

Joe Furst

these question understood for heard a numbers. right and you. If other just Raj the gentlemen. I numbers morning Good

million around XX You breakeven XX.X that a and $XX was for the analyze million. year about basic points business you X.X first quarter estimates if somewhere the $XX your between times and are that's said even at

So means the missing something with year. would fairly next business basic be numbers? that your for Am profitable I

Raj Jain

good on just the that's high-level $XX numbers. giving right million. mentioned $XX Joe, you at you're to the Based Thanks QX right. I And what yeah, annualizing you're revenue math be at Again, million. morning. it to close going to is be breakeven is No, least would if that, for close estimate

So, you have the numbers may are right. This does unforeseen not include incur. any that cost onetime to cost and we any have

Joe Furst

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Raj Jain

No, I just correct. is echoing, that was

Joe Furst

And breakeven be is if close less you're XX would mean grow the that's little that business that breakeven X.X just to can little slightly your to X.X and a then new a pretty is quarter. short, the I too. but bit million doing Okay. you bit

So quarters will you've improved very that's disappointing. certainly recent been these be which much for

So have more glad Thanks. to you see positive outlook. that and

Raj Jain



with we'll And from to Van Pine Clemens question Co. our go & Charlie next

Charlie Pine

I a I get couple to just Yeah. things clarified. have of that wanted

think consultant turnaround or remarks of retention about point were in hiring call. the you your in that I a discussing around when

$XX million. Were around for you down $XX you're numbers You've that XXXX. centered the the those of you about that mentioned million had business said something And look that scribbled bookings business looking I at total when DDS? at business

Jack Abuhoff

was just DDS. yes. That talking about Charlie Hi, I

Charlie Pine


and is some do ask you of to finalized thing anticipate that kind The that about consultant recommendations when to in December. wanted you're of the turnaround get other list from the I organization other you brought going

Jack Abuhoff

to the them. written written So, to them gotten both them it with well. with recommendations of is meet And continuing from or and gotten as we've board's work

Charlie Pine

you at Have at juncture? on presented this this to they point acted Okay. that anything you

Jack Abuhoff

answer is yes. the So,

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business where modeling could were that on come thinking needed business we of expense the detrimental without effect And in the a to growth. that about and future out sizing we having do. So, reduction the

on those We have worked with them plans.


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Tim Clarkson

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Jack Abuhoff

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Ladies Abuhoff turn and or this remarks. question-and-answer Jack concludes to Mr. for gentlemen, any additional this today’s At session. closing I’d like to the conference back

Jack Abuhoff

operator. you, Thank

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