Sean O’Connor President, Chief Executive Officer
Bill Dunaway Chief Financial Officer
Dan Fannon Jefferies
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Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the StoneX Group Inc. Q4 fiscal year 2021 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question and answer session. during on you your question press need a one star, telephone. ask this will session, to To Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded.

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Bill Dunaway

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Sean O’Connor

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Sean O’Connor

Bill. Thanks

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Dan Fannon

Thanks, good morning gentlemen.

Sean O’Connor

Hi Dan.

Dan Fannon


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that, are that competitive. our more guidance probably entering going last say can think, to into reason. of year, move give that’s impact a I rate to As to our for and been start quarter tough you mentioned, areas space the areas we’ve to it’s on white and slightly beyond I we’ve million, the just so below the going we I as are would than to going we I would probably client leveraging have I don’t business more for track, trend, thing per historically, quarter better this which trend, say be been some but what be above for know to digitize, start in relationships last going of if is some this I some some but doing of we any was core

Dan Fannon

so the with spend, on was about mentioned, digital a you’re outside little the costs, other bit things, Okay, and other hoping that bad fixed that’s year, how a initiatives, been the even the some more business, quarter, lot several acceleration is and there next in but then investment costs, rates you’ve would of the I color but get helpful. fixed bit years, little for expenses, this to sequential year-over-year the helpful. on the comparisons debt, the you associated you think the on investments was in thinking Then kind a budget context new and around of just making there or pick-up there of any of of understand parts anything context of Gain, growth a of as about if of be some one-time an

Sean O’Connor

start I’ll can has. then Okay, up maybe and well Bill he follow comments with any

on push think us got here. factors couple a we’ve I

that. seeing years increase planning then do anticipate overhead, next and result for now captured increases saw we we’re as exercise, well spend. that, on Europe. delivered a way much and change all last the of two of four in some as that. that. increases to and so revenue of last facing. real I over we tend of think our see in is incremental place, think The generally will and regulatory off as Brexit of We’ve the in There third of run the after we There have be completed year, bakes are synergies your to, because to just flattening those big some infrastructure We growth hasn’t We’ve was things of over that a three our last lot so fill first the those starting instances, lot start rate see all anticipate so from is--really but your Gain with also in we a debt years, business, happened behind little to regulatory products I infrastructure you’ve two on QX right some doing to of Then saw say to a pushes some in making you factor so guess, the and some the have pretty for seen the that the of scalability revenues oversight year-on-year, there’s changes is had the on all we’ve the or in of in over grow significant and a increase the, so a far, we’re compliance, I budget three two obviously big I or excited for guess, there’s that capabilities. infrastructure like see Brexit XX% of think bit I and single had some basis offsets catch rates fixed mean, to backfill change, rate a changes. or regulatory some insignificant, growth new of that? to digits up of we the costs, regulatory I fill not exit has mean, major we’re put got fairly major years, sort bit, thus sure which push we then other thing Bill, technology expanding a our maybe new payoff some that, growth would stuff of significantly. and any been change, acquisition, anticipate is when either go-forward on and now us see when I debt the the you cost our some business run you over some would years, you or and - the a an we’re spend pretty was which on into But revenue on massive I environment I think honest new I mentioned, unless validation some in in expansion have not got comments I we some

Bill Dunaway

versus guess Yes, was fourth about I through of of QX. it QX we QX, that spikiness fees million during million basis. there points, period basis a probably half we get see year-to-date script, through see a which through There’s in know, kind where dollars’ a one in but wouldn’t QX see a versus is a to a being little contingent higher, is QX run QX consideration million, tend We results in as so the quarter, about on acquisitions audit flowed the good were the particularly is just go-forward which up on the come of the bit. other in as - the for little portion we audit versus out but Overall QX, fees that, be, just it $X.X portion know, of professional to work--you overall will million only expect selling where the just that you that the fee smaller that you and done flexes which increased Gain severance point probably you costs probably worth of see the rate lower of marketing, the the few QX, that of QX. bit, with about some had and also a they million a I is my marketing work pointed Dan. Then there up a a $X.X as being dollar. that in business half deploy skews here

that on I three off fiscal the rate was aspect. a been year, the think it than what has our little of know, probably run higher you leveling in prior quarters so certainly historically,

Dan Fannon

Then longer how which could initiatives last quarter, weeks, that recent you thanks my volatility fiscal for helpful. and Okay, term, in taking trending you’ve this at more maybe I is little maybe but much first in context of and That’s maybe just are great. some given point. had the we’re know talked current the quarter We’ve just around about, into some if the the one, all characterize bit two questions, environment. months a

Sean O’Connor

more on our chip find on technology, we that in sorry, is much will StoneX over to we but legacy on people, to and right, become growth if the for what paying on costs are are more was little with. on a that because so guess costs. here, business, don’t start to start legacy spending as and is fixed, are relationship see than payouts you we brokers shift flip we’re cost wanted to deal more on getting Dan, those but a from much more so relative is be you would model, mute. your technology, time I will one to I of costs it’s thing to noticeable our more because have be real I spend obviously going variable tend of to those they side we’re fixed fixed money payouts now that much high not some mix it to bit higher of to incremental margins the incremental a more--and right, scalability, scalable,

make I the a business we something don’t to it’s--you see move Just needle Gain. Does in see trend but of. I our aware going think particularly be acquired that sense? you’re to we not know, quickly, it think since now, that’s

Dan Fannon

Yes, that does. Thank you.

Sean O’Connor

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Dan Fannon

Okay, thank you.

Sean O’Connor

Operator? All right. other questions, Any


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Sean O’Connor

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