Compass Minerals International (CMP) 12 Feb 192018 Q4 Earnings call transcript

Good day, everyone. And welcome today's Compass Minerals' Four Quarter Earnings Conference. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time for opening remarks, I'd like to turn things over to Theresa Womble. Please go ahead, ma'am.

morning. good and you Thank Today, our will Year CFO, Standen Grand Results. CEO, Compass Minerals' Dick review Full our Fourth Jamie Interim Quarter XXXX and

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to highlight levels, improvement consolidated there today. translation, production like to areas that are increases of many from did decline salt due While and I'd earnings largely XXXX cost currency

which XX% Additionally, even $XXX in from a was XXXX. in faced delivered with from cash almost XXXX, the we increase challenges we a operations, million flow

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production maximum enhancement for bode we They commitment be at into near the to supplier margin achieved demonstrate XXXX. also these production move I future our site. choice believe well in achievements North Canadian our for also SOP We America. SOP to as our of customers

we growth EBITDA the XX% in a grow in Overall, Brazil business. to XXXX. of and XX% of predicted critical products. that revenue In most this also business delivered enjoyed and the of of our of growing to Brazil attractiveness is our XX% increase direct in outcomes XXXX, due EBITDA local a when business Brazil acquired economics year-over-year favorable including demonstrated Our growth throughout growth portfolio delivering the strong the currency fully segment

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winter. could and our compared $X million which year the lack disappointing to average end have Lakes had in to we $X UK, in in earnings of market quarter hiked in addition, Great snow the this estimated fourth business due both in events America million December In to our to North by the the

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investment We relining will for shaft also are completion our nearing the hoisting which of secure future. our capacity

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value operational second every this our these the and bid increases maximizing and of of team available strong focused for America in XXXX in season, XXXX. highway the North sales in price highway XXXX business on deicing our the achievements, ton half resulted deicing to addition for In

of permanent Lastly, our progressing committee a directors independent CEO search identifying is in CEO.

detail XXXX improvements to and focus in commercial and hand over value And and of Standen Jamie? the will So more combination to our beyond. cover outlook. I for to leading creation the with production that in looking for XXXX profit inputs our company, the our XXXX CFO, Jamie improvement I forward on see results significant

Thanks, Dick.

Before discussing quarterly to like I would results, recap our our consolidated segment results.

fourth growth revenue Nutrition we revenue Nutrition North to to by CEO million XX% $X.X America generated results. $X and in Plant of operating negative South impacting costs the and and America primarily of due FX X% offset quarter, transition impacts Plant lower a of increases FX million. Salt earnings both For mainly our due Consolidated EBITDA were headwind

fourth our addition, quarter In several results tax items. included

the the benefit income release on the items of First, to we valuation finalization tax Tax deferred XXXX Reform impact expense. US tax of of related tax asset our had allowances two and

a $XXX We also the tax earnings. had foreign to repatriation expense of of item approximately related million

up losses expected transfer aren't due settlements ended Reform US finalization some on higher impacts Our price XXXX year full as Tax to on that our tax-deductible. XXXX inter-company of well tax FX than the earnings rate as

the better consumer price deicing shipping improved price a contracts volumes. results from in increase resulted America XXXX-XXXX increase Turning discussed also increased XX% price in to which in business the supplier previously compared results results in to our XX% and achieve prior per These modestly decline our for improvements year This presentation, quarter partially and offset decline salt average season. the These declined by volumes strong million. it improvements costs to to costs a segment to by through on segment were due Fourth quarter significantly were our $XX EBITDA product to of Salt costs. sales costs. important and due a X our industrial slide in partially revenue when prices able we handling lower achieved to update the offset elevated X% highway reliable We've been X% an pricing in being X% and discussed. ton fourth Average on offset were where business selling North to increase on sales and per-unit operating a matters. focus Salt increased price XX% the all-in quarter a

the impacts our lingering impacts from of the As strike face ramp-up continuous the headwinds mining and the mentioned, Dick continue results Goderich haulage. and salt of to on related

impacts in North the season, sales strike totaled impact the approximately quarter, earnings purchasing our million. offshore American $XX committed deicing reducing cost In rates, salt to Highway costs fourth illogical to operating addition related volumes unit operating due and In Goderich include logistics. higher the bid lower

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selling the of when to the the This result, XXXX million. quarter were $XXX prices a for average is SOP result fourth year-over-year the XX% rose EBITDA $XX.X a As quarterly quarter since ton. only segments strongest segment first

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growers delayed the Moving demonstrate sales to strength up input Recall that to for real stabilize prior to Brazil continues with segment they our That seasonality. Brazilian to up our nutrition year we This year the plant waited ended as saw commodity last quarter. more and typical from decisions pushing XX, in modestly into sales South for year prices unusual volumes Slide an purchase results. volumes amount of fourth fertilizer weaken. America

we addition, slightly farmers a These higher products lower for in applied our saw the have demand margin quarter the than as products micronutrient In full soil our for profile safrinha products. corn soil year crop. planned

rebound a business to growth in in experienced demand volume Our specialty chemicals due products. chlorine for X% Brazil

end local sales volume driving growth America continued local growth and company agriculture grower from for currency XXXX results strong products at solutions most marketing the product year which as and products. a Full EBITDA proposition in mix, growth. specifically for the and Brazil currency. price South revenue XX% in sales reinvested of favorable of well in as less a results, attractive were SG&A decline primarily in as chemical segment decline reflecting X% and profits generated of main improvements this XXXX. from Looking price for Again, increases the resources the did our for combination margin products very future essential of are improvements drivers to value the were economics X%

in continue We see channel. sales to grower growth our strong direct-to-

outlook, rationale guidance to like Before explain EPS XXXX of diving I'd into our guidance. to instead shifting EBITDA our for

continues cash focus taxes, cash on prudent working execution, to through be ultimately minimizing to Our strong free capital operational our shareholder cash capital interest value. flow and maximizing drive spending and

will EPS. expectations guidance Going consolidated outlook on in as well that will segment forward, along we focusing mind, with EBITDA sales XX. I will impact components with the this guidance key at interim page and to volume corporate on level. the around continue the as revenue full-year provide we be start guidance full-year With

increase expect recovery driven of in XXXX plant a in the growth steady nutrition consolidated EBITDA and our primarily our businesses. by sizable in business salt We

year. see we half second improving generate In XXXX gains by In South we least America double-digit margin and along North XX% expected to continue to with $XXX expect growth Nutrition improvement to recapturing EBITDA to from throughout volume and of shed some we Plant salt-segment Goderich, this These we begin $XXX of the between expect EBITDA factors million EBITDA full production commitment to total, levels. result lift the growth. volumes some depressed winter. As we at the America, for million XXXX and are low at efficiency expect steady in

outlook. on Before outlook, half discuss our to to moving tax I'd first XXXX full-year our like discuss

Now XXXX be rate our of assessment Tax that XX%. and we and for expect XX% understand finalized the of we US Reform have impacts, to tax our between all

to finalize and refunds payments pushing tax also are settlement XXXX. We in our

to in Canada from we to refund planning are and We the tax the expect quarter of $XX a mention at receive second that end make uncertainty to payment like QX XXXX. Washington slip million possible current revenue given the $XX XXXX. a would this IRS that to in it of million XXXX, I could in refund is

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we result, second a half to year's the quarter. As result, last the expect EBITDA with earnings more similar to consolidated but be first waited of to

Given in Plant first we EBITDA confident well dip covenants results Nutrition expect executed quarter the between America, given FX late million of in quarter South credit impact as as on consolidated quarter that agreement be on debt will earnings, the translated $XX for last our within the salt first negative we first the pressure $XX amendment the Despite million. earnings, year. we and our we expected well XXXX remain our

our begin and comment to dividend. our we session, commitment flow the I Before cash would our Q&A outlook free like on to

you manage our years. in capital capital to the continuous our Utah and Goderich. capability in at over recent on expect high of As SOP on achieving our we Slide include increase return consider we facility investments as always $XXX we our the XX, improvement focus and returns would mining What This operations. productive systems operate around expansion levels, we to major completed million on see the we've investments can expenditures

focused returns delivering We we on are investments in place. have already on keenly

a XXXX As note we funded generated level which free of also flow generate slide, similar $XXX last we million payment flow dividend cash this year. We of free on expect XXXX. nearly cash our currently in to

So we maintain market level. and can XXXX believe conditions Plant normalized our Nutrition operations of view current mine. we we the given With increase further be these continuing for Goderich our levels attractive manageable market its and free in we businesses, dividend expectations attractive businesses, for continues to production and improving at flow dynamics at Salt our cash our our as expect

reduction. to As expect our free on we levels continue increase, direct our debt and our focus to shareholders increase cash flow returns

operator Now to like Q&A I'd hand it to the the back begin to session.

[Operator Suisse. today W from Christopher Instructions] Parkinson hear Credit will with first

Hi, good everyone. morning, for This on is Welds Chris. Graham

and that. to evolution the expect of to timeline op have there? the about year. where XXXX that salt I believe at op your on year will get question last we along the we rates operating give obviously you a suggested rates like with operates that what the within your from us Goderich the our results guys Thanks. go. they're rates XQ am on still could of through curious look how target improvement your --what had question previously mid kind if I at segment Just as that margins would able by thoughts achieve impacted here And because you trend see being documentation Goderich lower be that by

This will we move the great plan improvement the year, year incremental throughout in a get put half position monthly us Basically second is which into as this we into of for on a XXXX. have and Dick.

in very We month approach particular rate This process in we about at order after have time. are than term. the delivering sustainable taking certain and to consistent long over that a months being consistent a is measured production more this a

So that's where headed. we're

We track are that. on with

previous remarks, in in in the continuous QX months targets produced hit mining. have those my in in opening than better said, we more I and months on As we things new January and were any

are through that second which the seeing will getting underway year and those the half think production to and beyond. through us So it's is -- sustain encouraging of we rates I progress that

part I'll answer And of second the question there, yes, just, the Graham.

second plus half margins EBITDA year, see into come levels results. then because the EBITDA there. of yes, into the mid and move as described half we forward the the those value into production to the the were get as be depressed in first through So, of we would in half. we going which on we -- prepared the will see forward then of in And that we beyond EBITDA really XXXX of higher as year as you'll focused what start the the second margin to as we move you'll XX% margins consistent increase expect the production really -XXs we and be And financials investment the get remarks

go Stifel. next with We'll to Vincent Anderson

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the basically of mining Vincent, units all I are mean operating.

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certain have maintenance machines So maintenance. of better maintenance to six because means because know, is unplanned down days is down of in that hours all planned what deliberately taking the down because we we planned XX order than on get that hours as

coming we as so production through combined got that consistent seeing we rates, the we're these is fleet an And operation. out production units of of what work

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and much maintenance with production think is beginning into units. get to So a more through that consistent the rates planned we're show I encouraged all that us

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Capital BMO hear will Markets from And from Joel Jackson.

Hi, questions. I morning. good call. couple a for doing the Thanks had

understand your I So to for salt year. volume a guidance about first want the question, more little

color. to volume. a did You of --you guiding It give bit are lowest the salt is

XX to midpoint that a the years. you had let's If salt public call Compass it lower company, ever the get volume as

also not belief of for the the the I as So low you'll for have are that winter, embedding QX into understand because that like. winter for this fully you --like below this you would -- average guess Goderich have running commitments that next into are but I you commitments you after embedding

last basically the actually decision previous also our is the half first you And salt relates this that said you XXXX. correctly in in really half but with at Yes, Unfortunately predictions shortfall this compared of Joel, if summer year, bid the issue in is salt quarter, to volume XXXX volumes as lower both to which affects of first our volumes, second years and coming for Dick. short most term the look

In fact, volumes. those that's main the their driver behind

is said second in which in a the the as about that along. based that rates our see it a gives half And our first rates production us which of And volume volumes commitment we've of rates this shortfall we're the more year, so at as lower first more improving. normal on of we comes is situation about But less Goderich winter. lower we quarter half returning the second the of predicting the when production to much half normal XXXX year course through sales and look

the of half more year production so reasons year rate make much be can normal in in XXXX. shortfall why because we of of So from that's up second this in is a of sort and confident and are we and the last that rate sales the one commitments

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looks quarter first that. because of weak particularly the So

levels, quarter as will through spread we season summer the summer, recapture next in we which we be QX, fourth produce this portion be as lost the XXXX. So --this able our then and over lower go XXXX bid good and will QX, commitment a through to of expected if

you're helpful redo and terms or the Are one to part machine very your was the versus going how of maintenance. are also the machine more currently? you're seam? now working guidance, of machines back the now thing. seam are you on The Goderich. continuous you you adjusting or into the when you coming that the same cutting same That a you of continuous how to then year going mining same --have of And are new that face and down, go have the with be and Like machine attacking back part machine doing had actual end miner the have later time was attacking good, in more a One to taking you guys. go exact helpful. upper you services you're to been question. bringing lower this the I'm year, is -- with That

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from next Robert hear Goldman Sachs. will with Koort We

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up it on in comment I in terms but is Lakes, the what share their Great have specific of is a don't So it significant.

relates served the expectations last --as said pricing and up to being ramp through bidding through our the summer and last as we based that A lot served we of bidding or our is However, that not and sustainable. fall, passed on quite the opportunities in the went very a contained strike pressure, seasoning being season. prices win either it business at are that -- late on particularly we few high

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that So CapEx of MOB. mean it might for $XX bit million our range higher little than is a sort

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from will Stephens Connelly. from And Inc hear we Mark

you. Thank

ask to on one more. just but more questions Sorry salt

winter commitments much about we got might that inventories be if out your that does do you've this you're normal on, where to the how inventories end? where part With here your have fall going season, imply what and at the of manage lower a able from to

year of weeks to moment, a ships ships pretty around the the much ice polar build a and this demand far. for is that. coming far Lakes number shipping lucky from of week able we've so get bit despite we've been and the got the The so our yet. customers. this vertex bit been out Goderich points replenishing Great And plant be the it a called few in we've able our up looks so a we've going met Basically to Lakes in in of slower like keep stocking our this a normal little at we're Great And couple and of all year to

as a I position that us reasonable far go. So think put as our in stocks

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your relative South America, year. that guide good confident confidence give Can us a coming you sense looks to just quite helpful. this quickly And Very numbers on volume of where from? is

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prepared saw in I is direct-to-grower that growth in his think a XX% And earnings -- in area remarks, north segment. that of mentioned focus. we of major Dick

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improvements treatment So as year-over-year we sales expect chemical side demand in we've side, volumes the to South see then on continued seen stronger in adding We're the just the on water America. and growth people. micronutrient

acres. We are covering and driving higher adoption new

Morgan. with J.P. We will next to Zekauskas move Jeff

on Zhang my for Katie Hi, This good question. Jeff. is Thanks for morning. taking

in XXXX just touch. And what the XXXX? may? Could flow for bit what previously your XXXX in like outlook but delta in think free a and follow-up target about XXXX your if $XX million, by little I it then million have you cash delivered looks a drove took on down was Goderich, I $XX So your a you outlook? changed I And you talk for generation about

quarter. difference when XXXX fourth were And We there. to noise the working there advantage of capital I think sure. about able in XXXX, Yes we some that improvements in is particularly the had tax -- really we take some in

got which we've reached settlement are is and fourth going now XXXX second are year. $XX is the we million the to of the uncertain. going The come come $XX million $XX that these a to to payout additional million due, then going in refund transfer remember we're and As in that finalized in got XXXX mentioned, do and quarter of refund to payments documentation pull can we end due kind everything We're pricing or quarter. I payments in of expecting wise some, the

or a in get $XX range, up well flow probably comes over probably if it. but free So the $XXX if it'll that get million. don't we working million cash be we

free drivers that's cash the in flow XXXX. of one So for major

million then still impact talked XXXX really negative production about million helpful. expectation? $XX That's previously shortfall from And having to a Okay. possibly $XX Is you your Goderich. it the at

their we in we're to earlier, lower that cost carrying QXthat million when together lower solvents you quarter consider $XX that year, commitments and production about a that carrying that impacting occurred, million of that talked higher commitments got, we've all about the close in so It's cost. --we're into is in Yes, guidance. are inventory of first all up plus very or $XX embedded of in so purchase combination and the lower logical Dick shipping

about I'm the it's then? if thinking the than something So impact, XXXX $XX million higher probably

million, $XX at of then first that carries up other other any we quarter. our the don't production than producing and current implication year, see other and rates our ramp --that we're the carries in don't through at that the $XX as any right it's million its cost see rates No, --I in kind I

Deutsche We'll hear next from David Begleiter Bank. from

I Thank a be term. there in for that Jamie salt year salt? we EBITDA that in achieve you could EBITDA margin that longer for XXXX but mid-XXs reference margin type the XXXX, you. do I won't be mid-XXs know

Yes.

we that that will XXXX that's in would XX think above --we beyond and certainly expect I mid-XXs. the be up when hitting to creep

is your does when in Maybe very I optimized? this level and Very a state? mining get fully the good optimize, and just to we January think high operation through fully never get steady continuous all we when know when production do that was learnings it's become but you

should is we of second be get talking talking about and --we mean half we This --as about ramp through Dick. more we basically XXXX, the I into should that how up rates. production get probably think I the plant as the stop

be the we my time season. think by in normalized I we position So mind, XXXX in should a should XXXX, to get we

us the and forward. are of of And driving and through XXXX So But and I this got to shutdown. through the We've on at more XXXX we've second the of on how salt half End ourselves see got looking to make into Q&A I our it. the situation talking less this think business up top progress. about that's progress get overall about build we Goderich

for time, you at to back all like closing I remarks. it would to And this turn

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