SAR Saratoga Investment

Christian Oberbeck Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Henri Steenkamp Chief Financial and Compliance Officer
Michael Grisius President and Chief Investment Officer
Mickey Schleien Ladenburg
Tim Hayes B. Riley
Christopher Testa National Securities Corp
Mitch Weiman Sumner Financial Advisors
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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Saratoga Investment Corp’s Fiscal Second Quarter 2019 Financial Results Conference Call. Please note that today’s call is being recorded.

During today’s presentation, all parties will be in a listen-only mode.

we the remarks, for prepared management’s will line open questions. Following Officer, like time, Corp’s the Compliance I this to Chief would and Investment At Saratoga now turn to call Financial Mr. over Steenkamp. Henri Sir, please go ahead.

Henri Steenkamp

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Christian Oberbeck

Thank everyone. you, and Henri welcome

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Henri Steenkamp

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Michael Grisius

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Christian Oberbeck

Thank you, Mike.

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Mickey Schleien

Good what nature wasn't morning, Was it quarter book quarter. of fees, increase? your the or was wanted which by to the due those you you and closing start Do other amortize this if fees? previous asking the them, versus do that origination at you about doubled to income, everyone. I origination

Henri Steenkamp

Mickey, we’d if which so obviously there be hi. Sure, was there, Henri, We primarily Yes, and had didn't repayments. book wouldn't any it's reflective have prepayment it of repayments, penalties our obviously increased originations. in we

a So and policy fee between we've had that driven is that portion, it's consistent portion a of like our OID. advisory and structuring is by generally closing always have is effectively split which originations our and

through advisory income the your goes the and which life income, on other sort driven of the of to the primarily closing and the interest amortized go but originations. to deal investment of that generally as piece, when the is variance over gets fee the OID, So immediately the half doesn't goes through line, fee question income close then that the by we

Mickey Schleien

That’s that questions that CLO. on estimated investment noticed What Okay, the declined then portion meaningfully of Henri. quarter-to-quarter. And pretty change? I yield the a helpful. the the few equity caused on

Henri Steenkamp

It's remaining, sort period I the of mainly of of CLO. a reflection, the our Mickey, guess,

and probably getting out to saw a our refinancing of as of interest potentially there actually and And know in effective our does in you sort on of period we the through probably not so shrink XX-Q refinanced. average in effective you are CLO that or upsizing the As to of process that and our saw we you end but there, the is time, have reinvestment our rate that’s our CLO. weighted until going filings resolved a the only closer possibility currently warehouse we moment is closer get rate, interest as refinancing, even

Mickey Schleien

into this we to that liabilities, the that warehouse other so into you are means date, but ends is as it know that month upsize end I so you looking is set the the some next point, you the Henri? the a that I this reinvestment or Actually of presumably if segue understanding at of couple don’t deep saw line, process are questions, indicated and my my period month,

Christian Oberbeck

of mean and and a combination yes, alternatives orderly are that evaluating assets and upsizing. our we Henri I reset upsizing. Yes, in allows through the obviously our this process as this Chris. fashion line us warehouse in we third process that accumulate in be a XX-Q is have this do in been to we think a in sort before. of refinancing towards disclosed we mentioned for would And And Mickey, I of have our so

Mickey Schleien

you CLO? of us so a looking from if the that presumably of give to in terms today, what market exist take we incentive management the CLO, collect are tighter the can And spreads the impact Chris, you fees those do advantage refinancing you and capture in you the can sense the on how of expect through

Christian Oberbeck

and to transaction you going actually exactly like to both Mickey, Well, size, the a closes, of as can imagine we predict where difficult are rate this be, in composition. terms until it’s

color good give not really that’s now. on can so right And something we

we information, in to after all think and it’s point but able at will obviously it all that. refinance I present we time, be have that to this premature do that

Henri Steenkamp

the by management incentive fee Because the obviously, CLO then of be the know term and also by size in driven fee the of Mickey, could be obviously the as refinancing. assets impacted the the would you

or obviously that drive it could could incentive fee. X X be So, X, years and the

to So the result refinancing end it’s get of to first, before the impact. you assess sort the got can you of

Mickey Schleien

to the So, is in something calendar can see we this expect quarter? fourth completed

Christian Oberbeck

this expectation completed quarter. financing either quarter Our the be following would or

Mickey Schleien

approved inject new on your facility to questions are Okay. begin a capitalizing license SBIC to the draw does couple on to equity on And the last if thoughts you allow into and of leverage, second are what it just your credit you license?

Christian Oberbeck

liquidity SBIC as amount have fair along think a of just license presented I we available be for we investment have deployment and more those would lines.

have that feel to And to license. don’t able we have be so comfortable license capitalize yet. that we capital that We

license as we that well. time we fully the at when would I sources additional financing secure consider think

Mickey Schleien

got My be can Okay. to equity? regulatory if remind Light helpful. really debt would leverage you your Green in debt total equity just would letter question probably to is be what the it That us and particularly both since target terms helpful of last you

Christian Oberbeck

will the specific Henri talk I about numbers. let

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the leverage don’t couple quarters, radical we a of in anticipate that certainly next don’t been operating general change the in So, ratios we – we've under.

Mickey Schleien

I morning. Chris. appreciate for Okay, this all that, of your Thanks time

Henri Steenkamp

Mickey. Thanks,


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Tim Hayes

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Christian Oberbeck


Henri Steenkamp

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Tim Hayes

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Christian Oberbeck

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Tim Hayes

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is Just change how any in material outlook the there, just there if credit? about feel wondering, you

Christian Oberbeck

that of the some who business continue in business. continued business. has it's to but No, that's sponsor, the supportive one been have we change with outlook very significant no the the to The has work of challenges,

Tim Hayes

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Christian Oberbeck

can that majority end we more you would you the would I of see pressure more but give marketplace, traditional where at that to the tell little the terms margin seeing the we terms we the think protections in margin, the sit, types just the we marketplace we use of cushion at for at middle-market. to you the sponsors are ordinarily a that things at due nature friendly, very we kind and nature have we that I is that the vast terms middle-market you same of that the are agreements sit the him are larger much covenant bit light, the of and where but are types the borrower of of do covenants, cov more you of the the see same look that the strong deals term those that the terms all the lower seeing of not end not competitive

Tim Hayes

for taking Thanks helpful. questions that’s today. Alright, my


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Christopher Testa

my Hi, questions. good for morning. taking Thanks

quite if use warehouse you put fund the then CLO. could the and you take CLO and so, maybe start it then or then shortly Where to to into would you asking long that Just getting where wanted or am and to X then understand the I you in be reinvestment position basically to some those gather separate period on is the the expire going year on a and kind CLO was time in so can period the time of extend warehouse facility little a I this what call as the ability down X effective either CLO, Mickey set another a not the life before are reinvestment reset as to a loans. bit yields loans after have ends of is to it, period if in going and for month some was them that upside reinvestment

So, am I curious just if that’s a possibility?

Christian Oberbeck

kind the of ends, yes, in period warehouse couple the of while parallel. reinvestment A on points works that,

to the past, the period, in pass us end at points calendar to still And stay we that have so of the re-price re-price if CLO allows plenty well in it warehouse marketplace the QX. it. So, don’t our to re-priced time have different into we we immediately,

sort the to in So marketplace it’s are can not accumulate And whether to might of you it so been about buy ordinary the market exactly while reinvestment really warehouse not full not all. of together business, and exactly period August is happens the we and warehouse course is, talk to it. how has that maybe in the at in point really critical and the warehouse ends coming a so then to are the period short of since itself them proper a afterwards place of – little question liberty before and quarter loans that and opposed rapidly kind scheme a of grand is or us lot the forced in the very in bit you value them buy you buy maybe on of if a and a time the distort pricing as sometimes of a market to go have

is So, designed so at when CLO CLO warehouse the you time. re-price into the that folds warehouse the that the

Christopher Testa

now makes Yes, sense. it. that Got

Henri Steenkamp

definitely And is it’s warehouse just I owned subsidiary of our a wholly add, so that would existing CLO. a

XX. the Chris statements financial to it XX-Q we you see the as as in said, the as had in upsize the consolidated our what so and the combined for assets is existing those how entity in has our the CLO August of CLO. warehouse it’s And So can you with actually purposes, – CLO know, actually assets financials,

Christopher Testa

it. Got

that’s Okay, helpful.

up end guess CLO just I the to repriced going upsizing when time was this it’s using or So was reset? another the be And remind me last and won’t one.

Henri Steenkamp

ago. years X

Christopher Testa


be say this by be over LIBOR cost to So, ballpark average would reduced so? the in that pretty your would weighted spread basis be would that savings, material XX or points probably

Henri Steenkamp

us discuss the in it’s lot on exactly premature is to think of going pricing. for There the factors I marketplace. a

anticipate I later think So, it’s as going either price pricing to comment to – particular. us how are in for said this we it’s hard in again, And or this would quarter just the this general about we in quarter. next earlier,

specifics have now. not would will good, we comfortable really something putting then, information that right feel just we out it’s hard, So, firm

Christopher Testa

investment fair. color. income growth relatively you in XX%? And did deal good of grew later about a by appreciate the quarter, and now that’s had the in portfolio so the the a close the in investment increase I have quarter guys Okay, X% you

Henri Steenkamp

you definitely look the have actual in the – I it to think – of I even the happen Chris, pretty deal schedule actually actually think was of again, it's after is I the it think, investment investments you offering. I But specifically, can quarter some the was. see equity although it it after did and during date.

Christopher Testa

it. Got

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what Just drove on wondering, some provide color that? if you could

Henri Steenkamp


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Christopher Testa

Got it, okay.

to we're and fiscal pretty when So expect these past the higher? although three you the guys – we recognizing you that should of that sort the of step-ups quarters conservative that upfront, had volume robust bps driven dividend had of context XXX you remain in much have obviously guys

Christian Oberbeck

get generally take that. and dividends we've when do we our we and imagine quarter-end, Chris, anticipate, account to we've everything take we close into and to got as to when you would declare

give were – to cautioned we've just statements dividend. And on so not our been we forward-looking it's

Christopher Testa

congrats for Got begin that it, one you last guys investment to been mean, and making okay. Easy me, I Ice for on has an And performer excellent with.

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Christian Oberbeck

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Christopher Testa


Christian Oberbeck

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Christopher Testa

it. Got

Henri Steenkamp

investment a that it I’d important to is amount it gets just thing that because – me add to obviously add an The fair too, of let for and attention. us

an that investment is quite reminder, as Just for in a been time. some this we've

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Christopher Testa

morning. Got always your as and time it, color that’s great appreciate this


Thank you.

Mitch comes Financial Advisors. Weiman with next Sumner from the Our question of line

is line Your open. now

Mitch Weiman

of Hi, wondering do any in scenario, I jump affecting to analysis guess you need just as how of interest are rates doing was start question. kind quality? a to one I really credit I if had big you

Christian Oberbeck

or economic more question a general a our portfolio that in Is question?

Mitch Weiman

more portfolio. Yes, your on

Christian Oberbeck

well let’s affects part the talk about the Okay, into first how as parts, it taking that two BDC.

right of all are we our and fixed debt our…. capitalized is mentioned all rate Henri earlier now, As as

Mitch Weiman

talking your am loan portfolio? I about No,

Christian Oberbeck


Then companies I is protected see in think the are I particular, is interest obviously of but the so in in activity big the this strong ask the broadly it are increase we think of and economic a lot jump, are across how at that increase question as in rates, When quality performance portfolio you an we there. see a level. So I highest portfolio you our mean, seeing a and economy, credit our important we result companies. our

the our earlier, mentioned highest had level. Mike not ratios are leverage overall as think I at

of rise, increased the and So, they there is sides on growth. also interest cost earnings these an but activity increase benefiting companies in rates revenue economic the from as are

interest even we be have it, we economy, come crisis to our growth come rates So see I from that there in think that to mention and we that was effect do X% the economic or growth of would X% mean, not. probably does really that from which question quality super the a a does interest rates general the we the If rise does improving if from, are spike, a come portfolio, think don’t would is credit of what reaction where an benefits course. so in

Mitch Weiman

the portfolio, credit the X% hit that it a would really some quality Black be of to out Swan not you think, So, a move spike or it’s it take real there? X% have

Christian Oberbeck

again, recessions, in investing all because will. portfolio economic to we focus Yes, way don’t that right. trying that sensitivity it, sort are in for the And companies if our and growing much companies, you niche oriented to of of looked – look we at at our see we have necessarily secularly weather businesses looking even not perform is even cyclical broader we really and kind can are

the specific that’s advantages our the small they the that – of of dependent develop kind own take think at end being not they broader trends, of so we able are lot And of to are companies their of. end, one the economic small and are they have of a at the advantage being on opportunities market middle-market as of

Michael Grisius

the is underwrite economy. always underwriting are in that, we if it said when a is we credit, are don’t the sensitize immune downturn cycles, but macroeconomic business looking Having thing no cycles, to a it I’d we credit, as we to that at emphasize economic when predict each we

the economy, are structure if there consider investment, structure is downturn the next and we and are business we if looking how to over like leverage we an and business we in time, just rising and environment interest are among that month is we what and capital sensitive the the making look a things look model looking does the underwriting what the as get we is when at also environment. at this rate business at rate the capital comfortable a So,

when correlates our though out over businesses is that strong and points the Chris rising are going performing As perform economy well when it’s experience our are very generally typically well that well. been economy time, with to rates

Mitch Weiman

thank Okay, you.


This turn you. question-and-answer concludes would to to call our remarks. session. closing for his like Oberbeck Thank over Christian I now back the

Christian Oberbeck

Well, forward everyone I speaking us today for look would and like to with to thank joining you next quarter. we


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