SAR Saratoga Investment

Chris Oberbeck Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer and President
Henri Steenkamp Chief Financial Officer, Chief Compliance Officer, Treasurer and Secretary
Mike Grisius Chief Investment Officer
Bryce Rowe Hovde Group
Casey Alexander Compass Point
Sarkis Sherbetchyan B. Riley Securities
Matt Julian Raymond James
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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Saratoga Investment Corp's Fiscal First Quarter 2022 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Saratoga Investment Corp's Chief Financial and Compliance Officer, Mr. Henri Steenkamp. ahead. go please Sir,

Henri Steenkamp

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Chris Oberbeck

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Henri Steenkamp

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Mike Grisius

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Chris Oberbeck

you, Mike. Thank

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the line from Rowe Hovde. [Operator Instructions] come of Our first from Bryce will question


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Point. Compass the question of Alexander Our from will come next line from Casey


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